How is that proper writing. If Apocalypse has defeated a celestial, then he shouldnt have bothered with all that 12 crap, cause he should have been powerful enough anyway.
And Wanda is supposed to be the nexus for the universe, and was used to alter several realities by immortus. I agree Apocalypse if VERY powerful, but but he is way out of his league with the scarlet witch
Apocalypse never defeated a Celestial.He only managed to steal Ship and be mutated by it.In X-factor 68,which you mention,Cyclops tore him to shreds with his optic blast.He needs to absorb external energy sources to enhance his powers.If he's so powerful why he did need the Twelve to gain more power? and why he wanted to use Nate Grey as a host body to properly control the power of the twelwe? Probably because Nate could control the power while Apoc would have been destroyed by it,no?
The pieces of extremely bad writing are those in which he's described as this powerful near cosmic-entity whitout any actual feat backing it.
In the Age of Apocalypse,where he conquered the entire world,he was killed by Magneto for crying out loud.As for the High Evolutionary,he has been beaten even by Quicksilver.
Originally posted by markolin
Apocalypse never defeated a Celestial.He only managed to steal Ship and be mutated by it.In X-factor 68,which you mention,Cyclops tore him to shreds with his optic blast.He needs to absorb external energy sources to enhance his powers.If he's so powerful why he did need the Twelve to gain more power? and why he wanted to use Nate Grey as a host body to properly control the power of the twelwe? Probably because Nate could control the power while Apoc would have been destroyed by it,no?
The pieces of extremely bad writing are those in which he's described as this powerful near cosmic-entity whitout any actual feat backing it.
In the Age of Apocalypse,where he conquered the entire world,he was killed by Magneto for crying out loud.As for the High Evolutionary,he has been beaten even by Quicksilver.
Cyclops use full power of himself, full poteatinal of young Cable and Jean Grey, Apcoaylpse wasn't even moved, but was weakend and he teleported away, because he didn't accomplished what he wated, what would awaken true powers (if he would, they wouldn't be able to stop him at all). He defeated Celestail. And you said only Cyclops tore (but he didn't) him, all inhumans with help of Black Bolt himself, and all X-Factor including Cyclops shot at him with all they've got, but unsuccsefull, Cyclops said he had unmathcable supremacy. He wanted Nate Grey body, beacuse Apocaylpse is always getting odler, he could easily survived the twleve, but he awlay getting old, so he need strong young host body.
He didnt use the "full potential" of Jean and Nathan.He channeled the power of Jean and baby Nathan,but Jean at the time had not the phoenix and I dont see why baby Nathan should be considered at full potential as a baby(and Nathan/Cable at full power is still no match for the Silver Surfer).And yes,he was torn into shreds and disperded and couldnt continue the battle.Apocalypse didnt use "avatars" or "m-bodies",but only sent mechanical copies of himself created with the celestail technology to battle x-factor.He is one of earth most powerful mutants,but well beneath cosmic power level.In those x-factor issues he wanted to kill Nathan because he knew that he could grow powerful enough to defeat him in the future.And both AoA and the twelwe imply that Nate Grey is more powerful than him.
Yes,Apocalypse is always getting older.So Wanda only has to warp reality and transform him into a pile of dust.
nah...Apocalypse has never used his full power....as far as anyone knows he could just be using one tenth of a single percent I think he said it best when he said "I am as far beyond mutants as they are beyond you...I am enternal". the thing about Apoc is he written like a second rate character....when he beat Magneto and made him a horseman on Xmen Evolution that was great and believable...that's how he should be written...not as some 5 thousand year old dude with these confusing plans that always backfire.
Originally posted by markolin
He didnt use the "full potential" of Jean and Nathan.He channeled the power of Jean and baby Nathan,but Jean at the time had not the phoenix and I dont see why baby Nathan should be considered at full potential as a baby(and Nathan/Cable at full power is still no match for the Silver Surfer).And yes,he was torn into shreds and disperded and couldnt continue the battle.Apocalypse didnt use "avatars" or "m-bodies",but only sent mechanical copies of himself created with the celestail technology to battle x-factor.He is one of earth most powerful mutants,but well beneath cosmic power level.In those x-factor issues he wanted to kill Nathan because he knew that he could grow powerful enough to defeat him in the future.And both AoA and the twelwe imply that Nate Grey is more powerful than him.Yes,Apocalypse is always getting older.So Wanda only has to warp reality and transform him into a pile of dust.
Nathan used full ptetnial that he had in with Jean an Cyclops toghter, and he didn't torn him, he didn't even move him, but he weakend him, and he escaped. Apocalypse is more pwoerful muntan than Nate Grey, his true powers are easily in cosmic class.
If you want to reality warp comics you read in order to make Apocalypse all powerful that's fine by me.So Cyclops was able to channel
the whole potential of a few month old baby..er,I meant the whole potential of that baby as if he were full-grown,and maybe also the power of Nate Grey/Shaman,the Phoenix Force,Franklyn Richards,the Destiny Force,Hyperstorm,and a few Celestial nonentities that already Apoc did beat in the past.
This had absolutely no effect on him,but suddenly he remembered
that he had forgot to brush his teeth and his breath stunk,so politely said goodbye.
Excuse my sarcasm,but I remind you that in the AoA,where Apoc conquered the world and was all-powerful,he was still killed by Magneto going all out.And it was clearly stated that Nate Grey was more powerful than him.If he really were so powerful he wouldnt have needed to scheme in order to gain the powers of the twelwe.His powers are augmented by the celestial technology he stole,and must be periodically re-charged.
nate grey is hardly a strong young host body...it couldn't even contain his own power, he was always getting nosebleeds and stuff because his body couldn't handle the psychic energies.
so if apocalypse was thinking that nate grey could hold his powers, that's proof hat nate grey is more powerful than apoc.
I'm indecisive in the battle between the two as I haven't seen Scarlet Witch's more recent incarnation.
Originally posted by Xplosive
He beat and schooled Evolutionary in X-Factor Annual 03.
He stalemated High Evolutionary in the fight. Apocalypse only won in the regard of the Suberraneans proving Evolutionary wrong that they weren't in a genetic crutch (thus defeating the purpose of him destroying them).
Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
nate grey is hardly a strong young host body...it couldn't even contain his own power, he was always getting nosebleeds and stuff because his body couldn't handle the psychic energies.so if apocalypse was thinking that nate grey could hold his powers, that's proof hat nate grey is more powerful than apoc.
Actully everyhost Apocaylpse had was enough for some time, Nate would be host that would last longer, but the time would come when Apocalypse again would need to take another host.
Apocalypse beat High Evolutioanry and than grabbed him and took him agaistn his will and then schooled him.