Originally posted by long pig
It's pretty much the overall impression of people. Most agree SS could beat CM, but he could beat SM faster.I like Shazam more though, I like the fact he can out superman superman sometimes.
You edited! bastard! 😄
Defenders are like the cosmic version of the JLA. Pure awesomness.
Couldn't agree more. Including the part about me being a bastard. 😄
Originally posted by long pig
Hell yeah, they rock.
Best team in marvel.Anyways, this will not be an easy fight, SS is quite vulnerable to magic, as is Galactus.
CM is nearly superman, but a bit weaker in all areas, but he can use his powers more efectively.
OT- They need a good revamp on shazam, get rid of the whole 16 year old deal. Make him a bit stronger to rival superman, but UP his intelligence......to like uber genius level. Make him less of a boyscout and more of a "ends justify the means" type, CM could be awesome.
Good match.
Hey, I always say Defenders are the best group in Marvel. Yas just cant beat those guys.
On to buisness though. It has been established that CM is equal to superman in almost all areas. Almost is the key word for the fact that I could have sworn CM was faster, smarter(When he lets Solomon take over), and also slightly more durable. They have been shown as equals in strength, in numerous occasions, but CM may very well be stronger. Hasnt been confirmed yet. But as of now, strength wise CM and Supes are equals.
I think in previous posts, I said that im not sure on the victor. I cant say how many lightning bolts can Surfer take without getting k.o.'d, and how many cosmic blast can CM take without being k.o'd.
Someone once stated,can Surfer beat the power of 6 Gods? I still am undecided.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Hey, I always say Defenders are the best group in Marvel. Yas just cant beat those guys.On to buisness though. It has been established that CM is equal to superman in almost all areas. Almost is the key word for the fact that I could have sworn CM was faster, smarter(When he lets Solomon take over), and also slightly more durable. They have been shown as equals in strength, in numerous occasions, but CM may very well be stronger. Hasnt been confirmed yet. But as of now, strength wise CM and Supes are equals.
I think in previous posts, I said that im not sure on the victor. I cant say how many lightning bolts can Surfer take without getting k.o.'d, and how many cosmic blast can CM take without being k.o'd.
Someone once stated,can Surfer beat the power of 6 Gods? I still am undecided.
Not the full power of 6 gods. CM just has power from each of them. Surfer is faster than lightning, so he can evade most of these. Surfer is a lot more versatile than CM, and way more durable. He will outlast CM.
Originally posted by long pig
Wait, Snoop?
Dude, light moves 9 centimeters in a nanosecond, SS moved his arms/legs more than a few feet in a nanosecond.He certainly can fight/react that fast.
You sure about the 9 centimeters a nanosecond formula?
I know for a fact that Lightspeed moves at 1 foot per nanosecond.
I dont know the conversion formula from feet to centimeters, but i can lok it up.
Originally posted by jrodslam
You sure about the 9 centimeters a nanosecond formula?I know for a fact that Lightspeed moves at 1 foot per nanosecond.
I dont know the conversion formula from feet to centimeters, but i can lok it up.
I think you're right Jrodslam. I always thought it was 30 cm/nanosecond. That's about 1 foot.
Regardless, Surfer moved his arms and legs several feet in a fraction of a nanosecond, while weakened.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Not the full power of 6 gods. CM just has power from each of them. Surfer is faster than lightning, so he can evade most of these. Surfer is a lot more versatile than CM, and way more durable. He will outlast CM.
How do you know Surfer is way more durable. surfer has been show to have some displays of shitty durability in the past. Dont be so sure on that. Noone here can call it.
More versitile, meaning more powers? Hmmmm. Ill have to think about that one.
Originally posted by jrodslam
How do you know Surfer is way more durable. surfer has been show to have some displays of shitty durability in the past. Dont be so sure on that. Noone here can call it.More versitile, meaning more powers? Hmmmm. Ill have to think about that one.
Surfer withstood a planet destroying blast like it was nothing. He can go into a black hole with no protection whatsoever. He's easily more durable than CM.
Give a list of CM's powers.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer withstood a planet destroying blast like it was nothing. He can go into a black hole with no protection whatsoever. He's easily more durable than CM.Give a list of CM's powers.
1. Super-strength: this is not only the strength of Hercules-which is enormous-but also augmented by the raw power of Zeus. The Power of Zeus in fact underpins all of the other abilities except (possibly) the wisdom of Solomon, and the courage of Achilles.
2. Incredible Speed: Enough speed to at least fly to the center of all time and space (Rock of Eternity), but originally, at least, enough to substantially exceed the speed of light.
3. Flight (said to actually come from Mercury's gift)
4. Indestructibility: Has to come from both Zeus and Hercules, and maybe even some from Atlas
5. Stamina: Well, Atlas was sentenced to hold up the sky-forever. Or at least until the Earth comes to an end; this means Cap can pretty much go on forever at a constant power level.
-The power to create other (super-powered) versions of himself, with a portion of his power.
(WITHOUT going to the ROE)--
transport to, phase into, visit, act, influence, appear in--
MAGICAL, MYSTICAL, UNHEARD-OF, UNKNOWN DIMENSIONS--
(UNREACHABLE by MOST other spandexed superdoers--Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Dr. Fate and a few others excepted).
The power to transport his adversary to some unreachable, unknown dimension--dump 'em--and let 'em sit there, powerless to return.
Also has been shown to have the icy breath.
I dont own many Surfer comics, but there has been a couple of instances where Surfer's energy was drained due to fighting or containment. Thas not much durability on Surfers part.
Ill try to find more on CM
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
🙄 A well written Surfer would avoid such an attack.CM might land a couple, but Surfer could withstand them. His vulnerability to magic isn't that extreme.
When Surfers drained or exhausted, it is that extreme. And sometimes it doesnt take much to exhaust him.
Do we all admit that CM has more stamina, thus Surfer would get drained or tired before CM? I hope so.
Matter Manipulation
Matter Phasing
Energy Manipulation
Energy Absorption
Telepathy
Time-Travel
Greater than lightspeed flight, thought, and reflexes
Size reduction down to subatomic proportions
Force Field projection
Space manipulation
Create duplicates of himself
Hologram projection good enough to fool even Galactus.
Cosmic awareness
Healing self and others
Creating and evolving life
Dimensional warping
Creating pocket dimensions
Intangibility
Shapeshifting
I could have sworn CM had the speed of Mercury.
When have you seen Surfer drained during a fight?