Originally posted by Lazerlike42
I am not against questioning the government. I am only against demanding that every fact, not matter how classified, be presented for everyone to see regardless of the ramifications.
Did I say every fact? no. I don't want people getting killed because somebody lets something out to early. Like I've said at least three times by now is if he'd just said this sentence, just this one sentence: "We're not sure, but we want to find out, because we're screwed if he does have them." I'd be fine with it. But his reasoning changed several times and that's not cool.
Don't worry, I still think Geraldo is a total deuche for what he did and I hope that was a career ending mistake. That was irresponsible. pure and simple. But, after the crisis happens, I do want as close to full discolsure as possible without endagering anyone because we need to hold the government responsible. This is costing us a butt load of money, and I don't think some honesy is out of order.
But that wasn't just us. That was us, England, France, italy, and several others. Since then, we've been going in John Wayne style, which just pisses the rest of the world off and makes us look impulsive and like we don't think before we act. And its not like we haven't used it to do things we shouldn't do.
I keep going back to my point about that book. I am looking for it on Amazon but unfortunately I forget the title and author and there are a million on the topic of Iraq. In any case, if the theory is correct, then it would be correct to lie AT THE TIME that Bush did. There are plenty of situations we're not considering that would require dishonesty.
In any case, they don't declassify things until 30 years after they happen for reasons of national security, but they do declassify them. That enables leaders to mislead when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary but also for the citizens to know the truth once it is appropriate and safe.
Originally posted by mephistodesigns
But that wasn't just us. That was us, England, France, italy, and several others. Since then, we've been going in John Wayne style, which just pisses the rest of the world off and makes us look impulsive and like we don't think before we act. And its not like we haven't used it to do things we shouldn't do.
I believe we were the ones to liberate France and save England's ass. As for Italy... okay....
Look, the US isn't evil, we do a lot of good, but lets not let that blind us into thinking we're perfect. Far from it, we need to ask questions, we need to be aware of what we do and the effect it has on the world. We still have a lot of internal problems as well as external. So we really shouldn't act so high and mighty. We are ONE of the greatest nations, not THE greatest nation. Thats the kind of alienating view we have that pisses off the rest of the world. If we keep up watch on what's going on in the world, if we look for patterns like the Emperor's rise to power, like Hitler, like the Inquisition, like Rome, like Britain at one point, we can stop history from repeating itself. But blindly supporting things doesn't help, it makes you/me/humans easeir to control. I'm just saying you need to keep watch. Bush will be gone in a couple years. Some one else will be in there. They'll have their ups and downs too, and you know what? I'm gonna watch them just as closely. The government wields a lot fo power, but they ARE answerable to us. Don't forget that. That's all I'm saying, keep your eyes open and don't believe everything you hear, because its never ALL true. Some times half truths are more dangerous than all out lies because they're easier to get people to accept.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
I keep going back to my point about that book. I am looking for it on Amazon but unfortunately I forget the title and author and there are a million on the topic of Iraq. In any case, if the theory is correct, then it would be correct to lie AT THE TIME that Bush did. There are plenty of situations we're not considering that would require dishonesty.In any case, they don't declassify things until 30 years after they happen for reasons of national security, but they do declassify them. That enables leaders to mislead when it is ABSOLUTELY necessary but also for the citizens to know the truth once it is appropriate and safe.
There's also a book about how the Bush family had dealings with Nazi's in WWII, their oil companies traded and did business with Nazi's. And they knew who they were dealing with.
Bottom line, its not okay to lie to the people who picked you to lead them, keep them safe. I don't care what that book says (which isn't to say I won't read it) but all he had to say was 'we're not sure' and no one would have beef with what he did.