Evangel's Amalgam Tournament: Battle 2, Longpig vs Sentry (Vote Now!)

<<I come into the fight with my shield up.>>

hey . . . where have i heard THAT strategy espoused . . .? heheh.

again, i've no vote but find these debates fascinating (though they ARE eating slowly away at what little life i have!)

i'm a bit puzzled again by this 'attack at light speed' strategy - guess it's cuz it never happens in books (ie - why doesn't firelord just hit thor at lightspeed and finish him in less than a second? or flash hit supes at lightspeed and finish him? his mass at that speed would be more than enough, speaking strictly physically, it would be infinite) but aside from the lack of aesthetics, why can't long just react and MOVE/REACT at the speed of light/flash speed to avoid the attack long enough to cast? sentry's not THAT much faster. and strange can cast and fight at the same time - he's done it lots of times. a lot has been made of the negabands as well, but they have NEVER been all that tough (certainly not in the league of the quantum bands) and the precog does NOT let him see and know the future.

i don't know that long could actually put sentry out (supreme is a tough mother), but he COULD incapacitate him and take him out of the fight. and if incapacitating is victory . . .

as well as both have debated, i'd have to say long has the better combo of characters in this match.

just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<I come into the fight with my shield up.>>

hey . . . where have i heard THAT strategy espoused . . .? heheh.

again, i've no vote but find these debates fascinating (though they ARE eating slowly away at what little life i have!)

i'm a bit puzzled again by this 'attack at light speed' strategy - guess it's cuz it never happens in books (ie - why doesn't firelord just hit thor at lightspeed and finish him in less than a second? or flash hit supes at lightspeed and finish him? his mass at that speed would be more than enough, speaking strictly physically, it would be infinite) but aside from the lack of aesthetics, why can't long just react and MOVE/REACT at the speed of light/flash speed to avoid the attack long enough to cast? sentry's not THAT much faster. and strange can cast and fight at the same time - he's done it lots of times. a lot has been made of the negabands as well, but they have NEVER been all that tough (certainly not in the league of the quantum bands) and the precog does NOT let him see and know the future.

i don't know that long could actually put sentry out (supreme is a tough mother), but he COULD incapacitate him and take him out of the fight. and if incapacitating is victory . . .

as well as both have debated, i'd have to say long has the better combo of characters in this match.

just my 2 cents.

Cosmic Awareness can see into the future and possible outcomes. This coupled with pre-cog will give me the edge.

<<Cosmic Awareness can see into the future and possible outcomes. This coupled with pre-cog will give me the edge.>>

i'm not battling you so i won't debate it. i just think you might be overestimating that particular ability. it's close enough where something like this may be enough to be the winning factor. guess we'll see what the others believe. good luck.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Cosmic Awareness can see into the future and possible outcomes. This coupled with pre-cog will give me the edge.>>

i'm not battling you so i won't debate it. i just think you might be overestimating that particular ability. it's close enough where something like this may be enough to be the winning factor. guess we'll see what the others believe. good luck.

Thanks. Good to hear other people's opinions.

Just to give an example, if anyone has ever read the Dune series... Leto II has the same kind of precog. He sees his web of possible futures, which all depend on the actions he takes. He sees his favorite future, which he calls his Golden Path, and becomes the God Emperor by doing everything exactly right.

Genis's thing does not work like this. It's nowhere near as clear or far reaching. A little precog, which I assume comes from a different source entirely anyway, wouldn't augment this enough to see exact moves of long pig's character.

Cosmic Awareness

Allows Captain Marvel to sense danger on a universal level. As a result, he can perceive objects and individuals, the presence of beings, and cosmic threats cloaked by invisibility or illusions throughout the universe. He has little control over it but is learning to control it with the help of Moondragon.

What's this "cosmic awareness" stuff?
Basically it's an ability that allows Genis to see probable and actual outcomes in the future.

Druid's other ancestrally derived knowledge is that of astrology. By a mystic awareness of the stars' and planets' positions, Druid has limited precognitive insights as well as a sensitivity to the balance of mystic forces. He can sense the presence of recent use of all forms of magic (even those he cannot employ) and trace them to their source.

I may not be able to see each and exact move, but I will be able to see different outcomes of the match before it happens, my character can then deduce what has happened and then react accordingly. The combined powers of Druid and Vell will give me a slight edge. Add speed attacks that transcend light, with near limitless potential of the nega bands, I don't see Strange Flasher Man defeating Dr. Ethan Vell.

Where are the rest of the votes? Sccobs, Scarlet, gautam, stormfront, etc...

His name is BIG SEXY!

heh.

Druids pre-cog is worthless, and you know it has no value in this fight.
Does someone with pre-cog get shot in the back of the head point blank by a girl? No.

If druid had any pre-cog, he would of at least known the girl was going to hide in his house and wait for him to get back then while he is reading, SHOOT HIM IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
C'mon, you're reaching now.

Genis' Cosmic Awareness doesn't give you the power to read the future. You don't have Captian Marvel's mind anyways, so that power isn't going to be used.

Captain Marvels Nega Bands are extremely powerful, but unlike Captain marvel, Druid has no idea how to use them in extremly complicated ways, therefore....most of the Bands power are gone.

You have Druids mind/powers, meaning he is going to be your main character. And my main character simply negates your's into non-existance.

I lucked up with the iron ball and chain, I admit that much, but the rest wasn't easy.......yet I still countered every single one of your points.

Here is the triple shield spell Strange uses to protect himself against extrmely powerful foes.
Dr. Strange #32. He's fighting some really strong magic guy.

Triple Shield of Protection

By the Images of Ikonn --
by the Darkhold's foul Tree --
let our aegis grow thrice-fold --
so mote it be!

Originally posted by Sentry
Where are the rest of the votes? Sccobs, Scarlet, gautam, stormfront, etc...

I guess there's a lack of controversy or something in this match. The whole Zatanna thing had evryone in a tither last match....still, they better vote soon, or they'll have votes taken away from them (which may or may not be fair, but I can vote in all of them so I'm not complaining)...

-DM

P.S. Just read your comment right below this, lp. That might work...or just say that Strange would go to his "Mist of Agamotto" form and win the match... 😂

Maybe if Sentry and myself call each other names, people will come?

Originally posted by long pig
Maybe if Sentry and myself call each other names, people will come?

LOL!

So, a tie? What do we do now?
either way good debate Sentry. I think we both did well, neither of us had to concede. and i was worried about that for a while.

I'm ready to watch the other fights now.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Is this a vote??

P.S. Still walking the line here with my vote...good job guys.

P.P.S. If that quote above was a vote, it's 3-2 longpig right now. Wish I knew when this battle would be ending so I'd know when I have to vote.

Originally posted by long pig
So, a tie? What do we do now?

How do you figure it's a tie...right now I count 4-2

longpig: Khellendros, DarkCrawler, Benito, Myself
Sentry: dael fishd evil, KVD

I'd agree with the rest of what you said, though...it's been a good debate.

-DM

well you can count my vote for long pig

Originally posted by Sentry
Oh, let's not forget about your Absorbing Man body:

You will explode due to major absorption of energies and as your body will try and reform, I will absorb you into my nega bands, since your remnants will be permeating with energy.

Absorbing Man doesn't always automatically absorb anything that touches him.... Wolverine cut off his arm and he didn't become adamantium

Originally posted by nimbus006
IMHO Flash is a non factor in this match, only b/c Sentry also has interstellar flight speed which makes him as fast or faster than Flash.

i disagree..... flight speed isn't the same as reaction and movement speed..... which are much greater factors in a fight

Originally posted by Sentry
Yeah longpig is at work, If he comes on soon and posts, I'll post. I'm sort of a counter poster.

you damn lier..... lol ....... i read your initial write up... there's nothing "counter" when you are the first poster and you type 50,000 words

😛

Originally posted by Sentry
Cosmic Awareness can see into the future and possible outcomes. This coupled with pre-cog will give me the edge.

i read a few of the first Genis/Captain Marvel books after Avengers Forever.... Marvel made a ton of mistakes thanks to his "cosmic awareness"..... and when he featured in an Avengers story he couldn't even tell that Cap was really Taskmaster in disguise...... Druid would only be confused by this ability.... i see it as a hindrance to your character

Originally posted by Sentry
I don't see Strange Flasher Man defeating Dr. Ethan Vell.

lol..... i made that name up for my "Amalgams V's Marvel Earth" thread.... i don't think that's what Long Pig is going by these days 😄

Originally posted by Sentry
Where are the rest of the votes? Sccobs, Scarlet, gautam, stormfront, etc...

i was out last night and working all today

Originally posted by Sentry
Entrapments? Is that the only way you can defeat me?

against a much stronger opponent you use whatever works

Originally posted by Sentry
Is entrapment considered a win?

i think it is considered a win

I vote for Long Pig...... sorry Sentry, good arguments but i think the iron/insanity/amateur with Nega Bands factors really weaken your character.... if you'd been fighting a purely physical opponent i've no doubt that it would have been much closer

this may be one of the longest posts made purely to cast a vote...... i hope you all get your reading glasses prepped for my fight....lol

🙂

Match extended due to lack of votes.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Match extended due to lack of votes.

Well...

If everyone gets up and votes we could move on. Do people like gautam and ScarletSpider know they haev to vote? Haven't seen them on these battles yet.

But it's 6-2 longpig right now. Not quite the same turnout as Nat/SF but still ok...

...but whatever. Sucks now because Wed. night/Thursday was great for me. Fri/Sat is busy as hell for me, and that's probably when I'll be fighting now.