Originally posted by carver9
All I know is, when you look at the entirety of the Flashes, Kryptonians, etc... their combat speed is trash. The only way their speed is impressive is when you separate their combat showings from the cheesy fts. Outside of that, I'm more impressed with people like Spiderman.
Wait wait wait.
NOW you're ignoring feats and focussing solely on fights? Didn't take long lmao to break you. What about Mongul Vs WW?
Did you read the comic I posted above, Carv?
Originally posted by carver9
I don't know what you expected WW to do here. She obviously left herself open for this attack.
Yup. He picks his moments. Batman let himself be grabbed so that he could get in close, then smacked her. She couldn't react in time (maybe Batman moves faster than air? Lmao) and got smacked in the ears. Imagine her getting hit by Kryptonian level strength, she'd be jelly. Or an IMP.
As for what I expected, I don't know.....to use her strength and speed to flick him away with her pinky the instant she didn't want to get hurt?
But tell me the true-true: have you ever read the comic? Don't be shy now.
Originally posted by carver9
And yes, speed was referenced here ..
I think this thread perfectly encapsulates the evolution of comic forums.
Stage 1 - the original thread. Random posters with little/no knowledge posting their personal opinions and half-remembered anecdotes and personal bias.
Stage 2 - where Carver and people who think they are knowledgeable posters are, the Respect Thread stage. They read a respect thread, cherrypick a scan or two, then pass it off as knowledge.
Stage 3 - where posters like qwerty are at, with the growth of comic hosting sites where anyone can get any comic to refute arguments.
So the scan Carver posted is used as a great example of WW's speed by her fans. 'Oh look, the Flash is tagged by WW, she MUST be fast! Lemme post this in her Respect Thread for all to see!.
People who can call the comic up, though?
Everyone was holding back on her, except Batman, lmao, who was the only one to actually try to win the fight, whilst everyone else fought her like a friend.
So to recap, this 'amazing' speed feat of WW is:
1. tagging a holding back Flash who is trying not to hurt her.
2. the only one who isn't holding back and who wants to hurt her, the human dude, actually hurts her when he tries to lol.
3. the big test at the end of the fight is....a normal gun being fired at her.
I mean, this 'test' is something Cap or Spidey would laugh at, hell it would be a test for Punisher or Nightwing, let alone a herald tier martial artist who supposedly has FTL reactions. Which is why it is hilarious that its used as proof in this thread.
It's funny to note that we had this exchange 7 years ago:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆I was waiting for these scans.
Here, WW realises that they are mollycoddling her:
And once again....Batman saves the day. So apparently she can 'adapt to Wally's speed' and 'sense air pressure'....but not Batman, lol.
So IF we take this fight as gospel.....if a punch from the human level Batman pretty much incapacitates her, what would one IMP do???
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Carver, how long does it take you to understand things?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup. He picks his moments. Batman let himself be grabbed so that he could get in close, then smacked her. She couldn't react in time (maybe Batman moves faster than air? Lmao) and got smacked in the ears. Imagine her getting hit by Kryptonian level strength, she'd be jelly. Or an IMP.As for what I expected, I don't know.....to use her strength and speed to flick him away with her pinky the instant she didn't want to get hurt?
But tell me the true-true: have you ever read the comic? Don't be shy now.
Could she have killed him when she grabbed him, yes or no?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think this thread perfectly encapsulates the evolution of comic forums.Stage 1 - the original thread. Random posters with little/no knowledge posting their personal opinions and half-remembered anecdotes and personal bias.
Stage 2 - where Carver and people who think they are knowledgeable posters are, the Respect Thread stage. They read a respect thread, cherrypick a scan or two, then pass it off as knowledge.
Stage 3 - where posters like qwerty are at, with the growth of comic hosting sites where anyone can get any comic to refute arguments.
So the scan Carver posted is used as a great example of WW's speed by her fans. 'Oh look, the Flash is tagged by WW, she MUST be fast! Lemme post this in her Respect Thread for all to see!.
People who can call the comic up, though?
Everyone was holding back on her, except Batman, lmao, who was the only one to actually try to win the fight, whilst everyone else fought her like a friend.
So to recap, this 'amazing' speed feat of WW is:
Flash who is trying not to hurt her.
1. tagging a [b]holding back
2. the only one who isn't holding back and who wants to hurt her, the human dude, actually hurts her when he tries to lol.
3. the big test at the end of the fight is....a normal gun being fired at her.I mean, this 'test' is something Cap or Spidey would laugh at, hell it would be a test for Punisher or Nightwing, let alone a herald tier martial artist who supposedly has FTL reactions. Which is why it is hilarious that its used as proof in this thread. [/B]
She felt like they were holding back because they were getting wrecked. They never said they were holding back.
Originally posted by carver9
Could she have killed him when she grabbed him, yes or no?
No. Had Batman been in actual danger, he wouldn't have allowed himself to get into that situation.
Originally posted by carver9
She felt like they were holding back because they were getting wrecked. They never said they were holding back.
Proof of this? Do you think this was Flash at Full Capacity, above the speed of sound?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're not real people, lmao. The writer is clear on this - WW is written as recognising that he's holding back
What speed is Flash going here, if at full capacity? Is this him being faster than death, or when they needed to slow footage down of him down to a trillion frames per second, or when he was operating at nanosecond/attosecond levels? Proof?
Your new argument is pretty stupid, as it argues that Batman is faster than a Full Capacity Flash.
Or maybe it's not. One never knows about you, tbh.
Originally posted by carver9
H'el moved so fast that he went from Metropolis to Supergirl sanctuary in the middle of the Atlantic and grabbed Superboy before Superman even realized he left and came back. The words are there for you to know it's a speed ft, lol..
Originally posted by carver9
Here's your answer. Wasn't difficult to find at all and this is low balling the showing since Superman himself couldn't see or detect his movement.
Mmmm so speed of light when travelling is = punching speed, eh?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I noted no-one posted awesome feats for Flash and Invisible Woman. How dare you all.Why villains fear Central City, how Flash can casually cross dimensions and time (basically impossible to dimensionally/time BFR him whilst he can casually dump his opponent in any time/dimension he wants) and one of his more insane feats - casually running 200 miles in 3 microseconds:
200 miles in 3 microseconds is nearly 360 times the speed of light. And he did it casually, without breaking a sweat, whilst full of pasta, lmao.
Flash punches WW at 360 times the speed of light (and we KNOW he is running here lmao), and can do it casually without breaking a sweat.
Full Capacity? Going all out? Damn, Flash would atomise her.
Originally posted by carver9
We've already seen Wonder Woman tag Flash with ease, so I don't see why that would change here. She's fast enough to do it. Also, it looks like Flash is running inside of his portal.
Yes when he was going easy on her. Another time was when he had his knowledge of how to use his powers erased. Another time was when he was mind controlled to become predictable.
Got anything else?
Also, reread the scans lmao.