Pregnant Woman Tasered by Police

If anyone still cares, the answer to "do you have to sign a traffic ticket?" is NO. At least not in the little box they tell you to.

Here's why:

There is a statement above the signature line - where they always tell you that you have to sign "just to show you recieved the ticket"- that declares that you recieved the ticket AND you promise to respond as directed on the back of the ticket. Forcing you to repond in this predetermined and limited manner eliminates several other reponse options that are in reality available to you under due process. The Washington Court of Appeals decided this in Port Orchard V. Tilton and the cops all know it:

"No crime if traffic violator won't promise to respond per citation form; extra step necessary in order to make refusal to sign a crime. Port Orchard v. Tilton, 77 Wn. App. 178 (Div. II, 1995) June '95:07 "

Yes, she lost in court. All that proves is that her attorney did his job. Look that up, too. An attorney's number one duty is to the COURT. NOT the peasants. Attorneys are officers of the COURT. Most attorneys are dumber than a box of rocks, and if they're not, regularly commit legal malpractice.

In addition, if you look at the ticket, it is broken up into 3 boxes, each with a heading that spreads all the way across the box. The ticket is designed so your brain blocks these headings out. Most people never "see" them. Put together, the 3 headings form the following statement:

THE UNDERSIGNED CERTIFIES AND SAYS THAT IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON _____ DID OPERATE THE FOLLOWING VEHICLE ON A PUBLIC HIGHWAY AND DID THEN AND THERE COMMIT EACH OF THE FOLLOWING OFFENSES

Look up THE UNDERSIGNED in Black's Law:

"The person(s) whose names are signed at the end of a document."

That means you, peasant. The cops are lying to you. You have just admitted you are guilty by volunteering to become one of "the undersigned". Don't believe me. Look it up for yourself. If your signature wasn't worth a fortune to them they wouldn't be completely disregarding their constitutional limits (THAT'S the purpose of the constitution - limiting the government, NOT "giving" you rights. Your rights are GOD given) and tasering pregnant women. Ask yourself why they can issue parking tickets without a signature.

I am currently challenging the court with a process that is NOT described on the back of the ticket, which proves that the entire process is a fraud and that forcing you to select from one of the "approved" responses on the back of the ticket is a scam, a denial of due process, and in fact, a process of military law - you are guilty until proven innocent. Check out the word "infraction" in Black's. Look it up yourself. I'm not going to do ALL your thinking for you.

So now all you obedient, brainless cowards who think she should have just "gone along" with Mr. Policeman's unlawful demand can rest easy, have another beer, go back to the tube or your video games or whatever, and grovel on into court with your pants down and your wallet open, licking the hand that feeds you. I hope your house is one of the first ones they steal under the new and improved, illegal eminent domain laws.

Everybody else, wake the **** up and fight back.

THANK YOU!!!!!!
and good luck challenging this kangaroo court bullshit.

and welcome to kmc
i like you already 😊

btw, is it possible to provide a scan of a summons ticket?
not that i doubt you, but many will, and it would certainly shut them up...and god willing, wake them up

I'm as low tech as I can get, but if I can find a scanner I will do it.

Of course, anyone can make a Public Disclosure Request of the WA Dept of Transportation for a copy of a Washington citation form since it is a public document - you and I paid for the stupid things. That ought to REALLY wad them up - someone actually ASKING for a ticket. I can just see them mincing around in little cirlces, throwing their hands up in the air and banging into the walls as their circuits misfire. What a hoot.

😂

Here is how it works in California:

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/traffic/info.htm#3kinds

And please read the Misdemeanor Traffic Tickets part.

"Signing doesn't mean that you admit you're guilty. It just means that you promise to appear in court."

the victims, Malaika Brooks and her daughter

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?PhotoID=65042

yeah, i'd like to see the actual summons.

im not good at blindly taking assurances from authorities on some .gov website

I can't post links on here yet but found a site for you to see the actual WA citation form. Any ideas? Here was my post:

Here is an acurate PDF of the WA citation.

nhtsa-tsis.net/citations/state/wa/WA_citation_03_2003.pdf

Regardless, everyone who cares at all about regainging/retaining their position as BOSS of the government MUST become familiar with the Public Disclosure laws of their state. Do a search - PDR law your state. If you made a PDR and they sent you a bogus doc or dragged their butts, you can collect BIG fines against them according to the law. If we don't use these laws we will lose them. I always send a copy of the law with my request and man, you should see them jump. The only records not open under PDR are basically adoptions.

Not only are they required to fork over whatever you ask for, every office MUST, by law, since the mid 70's, feature and publicly display an index of all their procedures and Public docs. Failure to do so is a punishable crime, and most of them don't have it. You all would be amazed at the depth of ignorance and disregard for the law that the organizations that hold YOU to the law commit ALL THE TIME.

And ignorance of the law is no excuse for them, either.

Why does any of this matter?

Well, for example, when WA state wants to hike taxes they point to the BUDGET and sob about not having any money.

Well I happen to know that the states finances are actually accounted for in a doc called the Certified Annual Financial Report, or CAFR. All states keep double books and unless you know about the CAFRs you'll never see one.

You can get a program that analyzes the CAFRs, or you can go here

cafrman.com/index.html

and get the info you need.

So when I look at the 2003 WA CAFR, what do I find? Washington state posted a PROFIT of over 20 BILLION dollars that year. Golly.
That's not what they told us in the ads for the tax hikes.

"If you don't give us more money for education, your kids will all be disadvantaged little retards." (The hostage tactic)

Maybe if everyone knew they were being LIED TO AND ROBBED, they'd quit buying the sob stories and demand a real accounting of their money. Ya think?

This story is true of EVERY government agency in the country, no matter how convincing their impoverishment act.

If all you can do is spread this info around, do it. It's better than nothing, and maybe it will reach someone with some cajones.

that is pretty dodgy isnt it? it says "the undersigned......" admits to the crime.

Hopefully she will listen to the police next time and not get what happened. Lets hope she learned a lesson.

those stupid police should have never done that.

regardless of the disclaimer over the signature line, we
most of us know that being pulled over is a very nerve racking experience.
even if the cop is polite and easygoing, it still sucks and makes people very nervous. nervous enough to not calmly sit and read the ticket in front of the cop to make sure that they werent signing away their right to challenge the ticket.

just look at the scan.
it clearly says "the UNDERSIGNED certifies and says that in the state of washington---did operate the following vehicle/motor vehicle on a public highway and---DID THEN AND THERE COMMIT EACH OF THE FOLLOWING OFFENCES."

i've signed so many forms in my lifetime. in EACH and EVERY form there is a seperate signature page, where the header reads something like "i, the undersigned...." undersigned means just that. UNDERsigned. when that word is placed on a contract, it must be on the same page as the signature line.
unless anyone in here has ever signed a form or contract where they saw an 'undersigned' agreement on a seperate page than the signature line? dont think so :/

and whats more screwed up is the guilty plea signature line is on the BACK.
it seems purposely misleading and i find that very disturbing.
the solution would have been as simple as placing the agreement signature on the BACK of the frikin ticket. so why wont they do it? why is it that upon viewing the ticket for like 2 minutes anyone can see the problem and come up with the solution with zero tax payer salary, and these assh0les cant figure that out?

i would have questioned it as well. goddamn right.

Originally posted by PVS
Pregnant woman 'Tasered' by police is convicted

By HECTOR CASTRO
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

She was rushing her son to school. She was eight months pregnant. And she was about to get a speeding ticket she didn't think she deserved.

So when a Seattle police officer presented the ticket to Malaika Brooks, she refused to sign it. In the ensuing confrontation, she suffered burns from a police Taser, an electric stun device that delivers 50,000 volts.

"Probably the worst thing that ever happened to me," Brooks said, in describing that morning during her criminal trial last week on charges of refusing to obey an officer and resisting arrest.

She was found guilty of the first charge because she never signed the ticket, but the Seattle Municipal Court jury could not decide whether she resisted arrest, the reason the Taser was applied.

To her attorneys and critics of police use of Tasers, Brooks' case is an example of police overreaction.

"It's pretty extraordinary that they should have used a Taser in this case," said Lisa Daugaard, a public defender familiar with the case.

Law enforcement officers have said they see Tasers as a tool that can benefit the public by reducing injuries to police and the citizens they arrest.

Seattle police officials declined to comment on this case, citing concerns that Brooks might file a civil lawsuit.

But King County sheriff's Sgt. Donald Davis, who works on the county's Taser policy, said the use of force is a balancing act for law enforcement.

"It just doesn't look good to the public," he said.

Brooks' run-in with police Nov. 23 came six months before Seattle adopted a new policy on Taser use that guides officers on how to deal with pregnant women, the very young, the very old and the infirm. When used on such subjects, the policy states, "the need to stop the behavior should clearly justify the potential for additional risks."

"Obviously, (law enforcement agencies) don't want to use a Taser on young children, pregnant woman or elderly people," Davis said. "But if in your policy you deliberately exclude a segment of the population, then you have potentially closed off a tool that could have ended a confrontation."

Brooks was stopped in the 8300 block of Beacon Avenue South, just outside the African American Academy, while dropping her son off for school.

In a two-day trial that ended Friday, the officer involved, Officer Juan Ornelas, testified he clocked Brooks' Dodge Intrepid doing 32 mph in a 20-mph school zone.

He motioned her over and tried to write her a ticket, but she wouldn't sign it, even when he explained that signing it didn't mean she was admitting guilt.

Brooks, in her testimony, said she believed she could accept a ticket without signing for it, which she had done once before.

"I said, 'Well, I'll take the ticket, but I won't sign it,' " Brooks testified.

Officer Donald Jones joined Ornelas in trying to persuade Brooks to sign the ticket. They then called on their supervisor, Sgt. Steve Daman.

He authorized them to arrest her when she continued to refuse.

The officers testified they struggled to get Brooks out of her car but could not because she kept a grip on her steering wheel.

And that's when Jones brought out the Taser.

Brooks testified she didn't even know what it was when Jones showed it to her and pulled the trigger, allowing her to hear the crackle of 50,000 volts of electricity.

The officers testified that was meant as a final warning, as a way to demonstrate the device was painful and that Brooks should comply with their orders.

When she still did not exit her car, Jones applied the Taser.

In his testimony, the Taser officer said he pressed the prongs of the muzzle against Brooks' thigh to no effect. So he applied it twice to her exposed neck.

Afterward, he and the others testified, Ornelas pushed Brooks out of the car while Jones pulled.

She was taken to the ground, handcuffed and placed in a patrol car, the officers testified.

She told jurors the officer also used the device on her arm, and showed them a dark, brown burn to her thigh, a large, red welt on her arm and a lump on her neck, all marks she said came from the Taser application.

At the South Precinct, Seattle fire medics examined Brooks, confirmed she was pregnant and recommended she be evaluated at Harborview Medical Center.

Brooks said she was worried about the effect the trauma and the Taser might have on her baby, but she delivered a healthy girl Jan. 31.

Still, she said, she remains shocked that a simple traffic stop could result in her arrest.

"As police officers, they could have hurt me seriously. They could have hurt my unborn fetus," she said.

"All because of a traffic ticket. Is this what it's come down to?"

Davis said Tasers remain a valuable tool, and that situations like Brooks' are avoidable.

"I know the Taser is controversial in all these situations where it seems so egregious," he said. "Why use a Taser in a simple traffic stop? Well, the citizen has made it more of a problem. It's no longer a traffic stop. This is now a confrontation."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/223578_taser10.html

scroll up and see.

the baby is fine. no thanks to the cops who attacked her

Originally posted by PVS
scroll up and see.

the baby is fine. no thanks to the cops who attacked her

She should have just signed the damn ticket. And this thread is rather old.

yeah a real hero 🙄

"And this thread is rather old."

you are quite the wet diaper today aren't you?

as for your complaints of the thread,
its still going, people are interested, so why dont you just
sit back and have a nice big glass of stfu 🙂

Cheers!

*Pours PVS some GTFO.*

Who is complaining about this thread? PVS, you misread my statements--I was merely stating a fact, as I was surprised that someone bumped it.

OK forgive me if this has been answered but was she visibly pregnant? And yes if an officer is giving you a ticket you have to sign it its required but it is not a confession of guilt, just read the ticket it says so right on it, but if you dont sign the officers are required to take you in to the station, which is waht they were trying to do when she resisted arrest.
Also what would you have the officers do let the woman go on her merry way without giving her ticket jsut because she didnt want it?