Apocalypse vs Magneto

Originally posted by Wickerman
I said before somewhere that's gonna happen. At the end of the last episode it shows scenes from the future Evo series with all of them grown up. Nightcrawler is a big buffed up dude (which kinda sorta sucks but i never really liked the Evo nightcrawler anyway), etc. etc.

Xavier: "I've seen the future in Apocalypse;s mind. Many challenges still await us but i saw some who had been our enemies become our friends (this is where it shows Magneto playing with the kids at the mansion in the danger room), and with a heavy heart i saw the dearest of friends become the most terrible of enemies (shows jean turning into Phoenix). I saw my X-men grow and change (shows X-men in the future all buffed up and cool and shows rogue flying down so i assume she has the powers), and i saw that some people never change (shows Avalanche, Toad, Pyro, Wanda and Pietro). But one thing is clear. That no matter what awaits us (shows dozens of sentinels with Nimrod in their middle flying) terrible or wonderous, the X-men will always be there ready. And of that, i am proud"

~wickerman~

That would happen, but they cancelled the show and there won't be any Evo series anymore. Maby there will be another X-Men cartoon (and Apocalypse will again be much more pwoewrful than Mags)
I wonder how will they make Apocalypse in Ultimate X-Men.

one the old toon....they had Apoc and Maggy almost equal...in Beyond good and evil part 3 or 4 one of them Mags was pushing Apoc back...it was basically a stalemate.

Originally posted by Mainstream
one the old toon....they had Apoc and Maggy almost equal...in Beyond good and evil part 3 or 4 one of them Mags was pushing Apoc back...it was basically a stalemate.

It's not worht anymore to argue about toon differece between Apocaylpse and Magneto.
Here on page I foun complete stroy for X-Men cartoon and here is part form battle form Beyond good and evil:

The Horseman is ordered to strike down Magneto, and though he raises his scythe, it's the back of Apocalypse that is struck by the sharp, purple sting of unnatural energy! Stunned more by the betrayal than the attack, he's distracted enough for Magneto to use his powers to lift the immortal by his whatever metal he has on, and hurl him into a pair of pillars. Magneto claims to be no fool, and he never believed him, and doesn't seem to be alone in this distrust, as Death joins his side, soon demorphing into the female form of Mystique. Apocalypse bursts from the rubble, calling the pair traitors as he returns to his feet, and noting that they dared to attack their master, he morphs his hand into a futuristic cannon, and proceeds to fire upon them.
The mutants leap away from the destructive blasts, and immediately fire back, Mystique with her laser-pistol, and Magnus with his own magnetism waves, retorting that he calls no one master, especially one who would destroy the innocent along with the guilty. Apocalypse is unfazed by their attacks, telling the mutant to spare him his petty judgments, since they spring from a brain too meager to comprehend his reality. Growing in size, his eyes surging with energy, Apocalypse tells the pair to taste his power, as he releases a beam of laserforce from his chest. Magneto pours on his magnetic energy, struggling to hold back the stream of orange light, calling it poisonous. It overwhelms him considerably, and soon the pair of pressing powers ignite into an explosion, that, though it knocks Magnus backwards, gives him a chance to fire another swath of magnetism at Apocalypse. It's a lucky shot with a lot of power behind it, and though it doesn't harm the immortal one iota, the force is enough to slam him back against the brittle. (so that tell the differnce, no hurt for iota and Magneto was considerably overwhelemd, how can be stalemate, while Magento powers were consideralby overwhelmed by Apocalypse and how can be stalmeate, if he doesn't even have the power to hurt Apocaylpse one iota and Apocalypse can tear Magneto body apart with two fingers).

I know Apocalypse is different in cartoons, so because of that I think it should be enough about cartoons. Apocalypse is in both cartoon more than 10 times more pwoerful than Magneto (and Mysitqe was working with both Magneto and Apocalypse in cartoon, but it was Apoclaypse for whom she said d he is unstoppable and not for Magento, so she knows th difference)

Originally posted by Xplosive
It's not worht anymore to argue about toon differece between Apocaylpse and Magneto.
Here on page I foun complete stroy for X-Men cartoon and here is part form battle form Beyond good and evil:

The Horseman is ordered to strike down Magneto, and though he raises his scythe, it's the back of Apocalypse that is struck by the sharp, purple sting of unnatural energy! Stunned more by the betrayal than the attack, he's distracted enough for Magneto to use his powers to lift the immortal by his whatever metal he has on, and hurl him into a pair of pillars. Magneto claims to be no fool, and he never believed him, and doesn't seem to be alone in this distrust, as Death joins his side, soon demorphing into the female form of Mystique. Apocalypse bursts from the rubble, calling the pair traitors as he returns to his feet, and noting that they dared to attack their master, he morphs his hand into a futuristic cannon, and proceeds to fire upon them.
The mutants leap away from the destructive blasts, and immediately fire back, Mystique with her laser-pistol, and Magnus with his own magnetism waves, retorting that he calls no one master, especially one who would destroy the innocent along with the guilty. Apocalypse is unfazed by their attacks, telling the mutant to spare him his petty judgments, since they spring from a brain too meager to comprehend his reality. Growing in size, his eyes surging with energy, Apocalypse tells the pair to taste his power, as he releases a beam of laserforce from his chest. Magneto pours on his magnetic energy, struggling to hold back the stream of orange light, calling it poisonous. It overwhelms him considerably, and soon the pair of pressing powers ignite into an explosion, that, though it knocks Magnus backwards, gives him a chance to fire another swath of magnetism at Apocalypse. It's a lucky shot with a lot of power behind it, and though it doesn't harm the immortal one iota, the force is enough to slam him back against the brittle. (so that tell the differnce, no hurt for iota and Magneto was considerably overwhelemd, how can be stalemate, while Magento powers were consideralby overwhelmed by Apocalypse and how can be stalmeate, if he doesn't even have the power to hurt Apocaylpse one iota and Apocalypse can tear Magneto body apart with two fingers).

I know Apocalypse is different in cartoons, so because of that I think it should be enough about cartoons. Apocalypse is in both cartoon more than 10 times more pwoerful than Magneto (and Mysitqe was working with both Magneto and Apocalypse in cartoon, but it was Apoclaypse for whom she said d he is unstoppable and not for Magento, so she knows th difference)

that description is incredibly biased. I might as well just say "Magneto had been expecting that, having formulated a plan that when he got knocked he would unleash more magnetism at the idiot that kept talking and shooting without enough brainpower to calculate all odds like Magneto."

See? It's that easy. The result is all that matters. The interpretation is biased and inconclusive.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by Wickerman
that description is incredibly biased. I might as well just say "Magneto had been expecting that, having formulated a plan that when he got knocked he would unleash more magnetism at the idiot that kept talking and shooting without enough brainpower to calculate all odds like Magneto."

See? It's that easy. The result is all that matters. The interpretation is biased and inconclusive.

~wickerman~

Your opinion or quote is amazingly biased.
Anyhow in cartoon when they both shoot at eachothter (you could hear through Magneto voice, and he can't even say poisones to end, they did that, so that we could see he is considerably overwhelemd, cannot hold anymore not even close) and please don't mention cartoon Apocalypse anymore, cause I don't want to bother. As you see destrpction is extremely deteield and right.

one the old cartoon.

Archangel: we have to stop him..he's true evil..he has to be stopped.
(Cyclops slaps him)

Cyclops: get a hold of yourself Warren...it's foolish to fight Apocalypse..we can't even hurt him.

I changed it up a bit..but that basically what was said.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Your opinion or quote is amazingly biased.
Anyhow in cartoon when they both shoot at eachothter (you could hear through Magneto voice, and he can't even say poisones to end, they did that, so that we could see he is considerably overwhelemd, cannot hold anymore not even close) and please don't mention cartoon Apocalypse anymore, cause I don't want to bother. As you see destrpction is extremely deteield and right.

yes, that's my point. Narrating something is inconclusive. People can be as biased as they want. And that's what i was saying, that the description you quoted was a biased one. And i'm not the one that keeps mentioning cartoon Apocalypse, you brought that description on the topic, i just replied to the thing 😄

~wickerman~

well i will put it like this the reason why apoc is show at a bigger treat most of the time is because he is trying to make the A.o.A on the other hand magneto is trying to do is make the world a safer place for him and his brotheren.

Xplosive i understand u are apoc fan and u have every right to stand up for your guy but when he is beat he is beat and well Mags is 1 of those guys who can beat him, now i am not going to say mags is going to wipe the floor with apoc, it will be a great battle an O.D battle to be remeber in all battle like in A.o.A but in the end Magneto was left standing as the victor and apoc was ripped in half as the loser.

Originally posted by O.D Geist

Xplosive i understand u are apoc fan and u have every right to stand up for your guy but when he is beat he is beat and well Mags is 1 of those guys who can beat him, now i am not going to say mags is going to wipe the floor with apoc, it will be a great battle an O.D battle to be remeber in all battle like in A.o.A but in the end Magneto was left standing as the victor and apoc was ripped in half as the loser.

True, in AOA Magento won, but like I said, you all musn't be too one sided, cause Apocalpse was chockinh and in real he could tear his head off in split secod, but writer decided not to, if Magento would be main villain in AOA, nad Apocalyose good guy, Apocalypse would kill him pretty easily and easier than Magneto killed him. It's matter of writing, but objectivily, Apocalypse should win.

yeah

Oh puh-lease. In 616 Magneto is tremendously more powerful than his AOA counterpart and Apocalypse is basically the same in both realities. Check out the AOA handbook to see for yourselves. 616 mags is also a lot more ruthless. If it came down to a battle between the main realities versions of these characters Apocalypse would get his as* fried. Every1 but fanboys can see that to be the case. I love Storm she is my fave character. She was at one point the most powerful Xman b4 all these newbies started coming along. However i dont go around saying she can take on Shaman Nate do i? NO!! Cos its ridiculous. The victor is quite obvious. I know that shes not the most powerful and she can be beateneven though i dont like it. So do u know what i do? I accept thats the case, continue buying Xmen and enjoy the comics she's featured in. I suggest you do the same.

If I didn't know better I'd think you think that Magneto would beat the regular Apocalypse

U got that right son!! 😉

Apocalypse powers: can tap into energy from a hidden source, virtual immortal (though technically this isn't true) virtually invincible, can increase size, morph, shape change, project a virtual unlimited of power, fly, increase strength. the Alpha mutant both first black mutant and first mutant period. Evil given physical form. Has lost, but can not die (apparently) so his victor is only a matter of time.

Magneto: old white dude that can make force field, control metal and fly.
has fought Xmen more...so this means he has lost to them more. not immortal..could die by choking on a chicken bone at a local KFC.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Apocalypse powers: can tap into energy from a hidden source, virtual immortal (though technically this isn't true) virtually invincible, can increase size, morph, shape change, project a virtual unlimited of power, fly, increase strength. the Alpha mutant both first black mutant and first mutant period. Evil given physical form. Has lost, but can not die (apparently) so his victor is only a matter of time.

Magneto: old white dude that can make force field, control metal and fly.
has fought Xmen more...so this means he has lost to them more. not immortal..could die by choking on a chicken bone at a local KFC.

Ohhh mainstream how biased are you. 🙄

Just look at how Mags' bio you've given compares to the Apoc one which is a load of BS btw which you know (or at least i hope you do).

Apocalypse is not virtually invincible. Mags ripped his as* to shreds like a KFC chicken wing.

He can not project virtually unlimited power. Please dont tell me you believe this. That line belongs in the bios of beings like Phoenix and Eternity. *sigh*

Evil given physical form? That was a line from the cartoon. Please dont take that literally. If he was evil in physical form he would be an abstract entity on the level of death and so on...

he can project energy dude..I didn't believe it either but I went to uncanny xmen.net and read up on it and this fight is between Apocalypse and Magneto not AoA Apocalypse and Hippy Magneto.

Please dont tell me you think that Mags power over magnetism only affords him control over metal. 🙄

Although Magneto's power is not on the level of the Silver Surfer in his prime, it is for all practical purposes limitless. Even before his rejuvenation, Magneto once liEed a cargo freighter weighing 30,000 tons 50 feet into the air from a distance of 300 feet away. Moreover, Magneto can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. He can erec! magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection. Although Magneto often gestures when using his magnetic powers, he can utilize them fully even when standing totally still merely by concentrating.

Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he seems to have some ability to project or manipulate any form of energy that is related to magnetism. In the past he has fired a bolt of electricity, he has also created enough intense heat to destroy a metal door. Heat, or infrared radiation, is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma-rays, and x-rays. Magneto may be able to project any of these. He has also been shown creating an anti-gravity field, and presumably does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the longsought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related.

Magneto has apparently exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, and has claimed to be able to control the minds of others. His abilities along these lines are minimal, however-enough, perhaps, to protect himself against mightier telepaths, but not of great use otherwise.

Magneto a telepath? next you'll be saying he can turn to animals and joined the teen titans. I know magneto weaker and everything but you don't have to give him new powers and such.

Originally posted by Mainstream
he can project energy dude..I didn't believe it either but I went to uncanny xmen.net and read up on it and this fight is between Apocalypse and Magneto not AoA Apocalypse and Hippy Magneto.

Precisely my point son. AOA apoc and mainstream one are basically the same. AOA Mag has half of mainstream Mags power yet it was still enough to disperse apocalypse guts all over his own front yard.

616 Mags is a lot more powerful than his AOA counterpart. Read the bio above to see what Mags was capable of prior to his upgrade. The man can now warp space to create wormholes. That takes tremendous power. I know Apocalypse can project energy its how you said he can project virtually unlimited amounts of it that made me laugh.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Magneto a telepath? next you'll be saying he can turn to animals and joined the teen titans. I know magneto weaker and everything but you don't have to give him new powers and such.

Your ignorance is astounding. You obviously dont read Xmen or you wouldnt have just said that. I do read Xmen and all X- related titles as well as the Avengers and any other limited series that takes my interest. Im well versed on both characters. Your statement proves you are not. I never wrote this bio. This comes direct from the Marvel Directory. I'll send you a link. Happy reading!!

http://www.marveldirectory.com/xoops/modules/wordbook/entry.php?entryID=445