Originally posted by Erik-Lensherrso he wasnt being aided by various sorcerers and what not. i suggest rereading that part. spectre had lots of help.
Spectre was stronger than the Anti-Monitor without any outside help . Stated and done . There's no debating about it .
and for ur information he didnt kill am or stop him superman actually delivered the killing blow.
Originally posted by kevdudeds got the infinity gauntlet. but it didnt work. poor darkseid always a day late.
I haven't read JLA/Avengers yet but does the Living Tribunal ever show up anywhere??? I see The Spectre/Hal showed up and separated the 2 earths/universes. Also did any other New Gods get involved other then Metron??
Originally posted by Air Legendthis much cannot be argued with. spectre needed lots of help to contend with am. and at the end of the day he didnt kill am while superman had to actually deliver the blow.
If you think the Spectre defeated the AM by himself, then you are giving the Spectre to much credit. I'll concede that he did beat (pick up a victory over AM...I was going by the the definiton of defeat meaning kill) the Anti-Monitor but not without the help of the powerful sorcerors. They along with the rest of the DC verse deserve credit for defeating the Anti-Monitor. It would be erroneous to place all the glory on one person.
Originally posted by quanchi112
this much cannot be argued with. spectre needed lots of help to contend with am. and at the end of the day he didnt kill am while superman had to actually deliver the blow.
Q,
I get that you like Thanos....a lot. But, one poor/bad showing by Spectre does not necessarily mean that Thanos can take him.
Everyone is entitled to a bad day once in a while. 😬
Originally posted by BobbyDa bad showing. of course, but the spectre has shown without a host hes an outright dope. spectre needs someone to anchor him to reality otherwise he becomes the dumbest ghost out there. thanos would need a powerful item to contend with him i admit. but with the ig or the heart he wins hands down. he hasnt lost in combat with either while spectre well you know. he cant even handle being merged with the source and freaks out. thanos handles supreme power like nothing while the spectre doesnt. that simple.
Q,I get that you like Thanos....a lot. But, one poor/bad showing by Spectre does not necessarily mean that Thanos can take him.
Everyone is entitled to a bad day once in a while. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
a bad showing. of course, but the spectre has shown without a host hes an outright dope. spectre needs someone to anchor him to reality otherwise he becomes the dumbest ghost out there. thanos would need a powerful item to contend with him i admit. but with the ig or the heart he wins hands down. he hasnt lost in combat with either while spectre well you know. he cant even handle being merged with the source and freaks out. thanos handles supreme power like nothing while the spectre doesnt. that simple.
Yes, good points. But, not so simple. Hostless? Yes. Though I think he could pull a few victories out on his own against the IG, althought I'm not sure. Not against the HOTU however.
With a direct order from You Know Who, Thanos goes down easily with IG, and against the HOTU it is debatable because the HOTU is a device created by the TOAA, who is the same as the Presence. Though even then I have some uncertainty.
Does that makes sense?
Originally posted by BobbyDno becuz for one reason spectre couldnt defeat the am. he needed all kinds of a magical boost up from various sorceres and what not. the spectre doesnt have the mastery over reality lik thanos had with the ig. it would be like thnaos caging him as joker did but he could do far worse than that.
Yes, good points. But, not so simple. Hostless? Yes. Though I think he could pull a few victories out on his own against the IG, althought I'm not sure. Not against the HOTU however.With a direct order from You Know Who, Thanos goes down easily with IG, and against the HOTU it is debatable because the HOTU is a device created by the TOAA, who is the same as the Presence. Though even then I have some uncertainty.
Does that makes sense?
thanos with the hotu would curbstomp him. thanos was supreme and did things on panel that would make the spectres stomach turn.
in both cases a thanos victory even if spectre were at his best with a top notch host.
Originally posted by quanchi112
no becuz for one reason spectre couldnt defeat the am. he needed all kinds of a magical boost up from various sorceres and what not. the spectre doesnt have the mastery over reality lik thanos had with the ig. it would be like thnaos caging him as joker did but he could do far worse than that.thanos with the hotu would curbstomp him. thanos was supreme and did things on panel that would make the spectres stomach turn.
in both cases a thanos victory even if spectre were at his best with a top notch host.
I thought the Spectre with a host acting in Direct order from The Big Guy is literally God's Hand. Who's gonna stand up to God's hand? I also thought it was the Spectre's right and power to literally take the power from whom ever he wanted when ever he wanted. In essence, He didn't need any power from any mages becuz thier power is already his. Obviously he was acting on his own and didn't have the blessing of God or the AM would have been smashed to nothing ness. And if I remember, the Spectre's blast was the one that really did the AM in. Wasn't it called a infinite blast or something like that?
Originally posted by TheEyesoGODhe called on all the power he could but failed to kill the am. he reamined comatose remember while the other heroes and villains fought on to end the am's threat.
I thought the Spectre with a host acting in Direct order from The Big Guy is literally God's Hand. Who's gonna stand up to God's hand? I also thought it was the Spectre's right and power to literally take the power from whom ever he wanted when ever he wanted. In essence, He didn't need any power from any mages becuz thier power is already his. Obviously he was acting on his own and didn't have the blessing of God or the AM would have been smashed to nothing ness. And if I remember, the Spectre's blast was the one that really did the AM in. Wasn't it called a infinite blast or something like that?
Originally posted by quanchi112
he called on all the power he could but failed to kill the am. he reamined comatose remember while the other heroes and villains fought on to end the am's threat.
It was still the Spectre's power. The Phantom Stranger who is uber already, was tapping the Spectre's power. It seems like you dont' like certain characters that much. What gives? I thought this was a debate forum? Not about favorites. 😕
Originally posted by TheEyesoGODthe spectre chose to tap into other beings powers. its not about favorites its about facts. the spectre tapped into outside ower sources and challenged the am. he didnt succeed in destroying the am while that responsibilty was pushed off on the remaining forces to stop the am.
It was still the Spectre's power. The Phantom Stranger who is uber already, was tapping the Spectre's power. It seems like you dont' like certain characters that much. What gives? I thought this was a debate forum? Not about favorites. 😕
when did i ever say i disliked the spectre?
Originally posted by quanchi112
no becuz for one reason spectre couldnt defeat the am. he needed all kinds of a magical boost up from various sorceres and what not. the spectre doesnt have the mastery over reality lik thanos had with the ig. it would be like thnaos caging him as joker did but he could do far worse than that.thanos with the hotu would curbstomp him. thanos was supreme and did things on panel that would make the spectres stomach turn.
in both cases a thanos victory even if spectre were at his best with a top notch host.
Q, you battle in circles. Your logic is circular reasoning. When you acknowledge something, don't bring it up again. We all know that YOU know that the Spectre didn't defeat the AM. However, this does not necessarily mean that he can not defeat Thanos. Get my drift?
ie Tiger Woods doesn't win a major. It does NOT mean that he still isn't the best golfer in the world. Know what I mean?
Originally posted by BobbyDgood point but hes where i have you. we arent talking about tiger woods and golf. the spctre not defeating the am is like magic johnson losing to michael jordan to me. theres a new kid in town. when the spctre met this big bad force he lost. previously and after he has done better pretty much. thanos with the ig has more impressive on panel feats than the am and was never defeated he beat tougher forces all at once and wasnt weaknening at all. hell thanos even gave the heroes a chance and lowered his godhood. the spectre was down and out and the am was still defeated and killed.
Q, you battle in circles. Your logic is circular reasoning. When you acknowledge something, don't bring it up again. We all know that YOU know that the Spectre didn't defeat the AM. However, this does not necessarily mean that he can not defeat Thanos. Get my drift?ie Tiger Woods doesn't win a major. It does NOT mean that he still isn't the best golfer in the world. Know what I mean?
so with this reasoning i can conclude that thanos with the ig has more impressive on panel feats in combat than either the spectre or the am. coincendentally the am wasnt put down by the spectre.
thanos with the ig wins hands down.
Originally posted by BobbyDi very rarely dont base my opinion off paneled feats. but hey i just think thanos with the ig was to versatile. i mean they guy can freeze time and kill off half the universe with a snap of his fingers. now thats power.
If you want base your opinion by on panel feats, you may have something. I'll give you that much.However, for the most part, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
i very rarely dont base my opinion off paneled feats. but hey i just think thanos with the ig was to versatile. i mean they guy can freeze time and kill off half the universe with a snap of his fingers. now thats power.
Well, let me ask you then:
And I'm trying hard not to make this a religious argument, but I don't see how I can't: ...couldn't the power of God negate all that?
Originally posted by BobbyDwho has the power of god. becuz with this argument it should have been a cakewalk for spectre to have defeated am. he didn kill him so that theory goes right out the window.
Well, let me ask you then:And I'm trying hard not to make this a religious argument, but I don't see how I can't: ...couldn't the power of God negate all that?
Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes, good points. But, not so simple. Hostless? Yes. Though I think he could pull a few victories out on his own against the IG, althought I'm not sure. Not against the HOTU however.With a direct order from You Know Who, Thanos goes down easily with IG, and against the HOTU it is debatable because the HOTU is a device created by the TOAA, who is the same as the Presence. Though even then I have some uncertainty.
Does that makes sense?
TOAA is not the same as the Presence. TOAA/God are above the omniverse/comic world. They draw and write everything we read in Marvel. The Presence is not the artist/writer and is merely a character in DC, a poor representation of the Abrahamic God. DC doesn't have a concept rivaling TOAA because of that.
Originally posted by Air Legend
TOAA is not the same as the Presence. TOAA/God are above the omniverse/comic world. They draw and write everything we read in Marvel. The Presence is not the artist/writer and is merely a character in DC, a poor representation of the Abrahamic God. DC doesn't have a concept rivaling TOAA because of that.
🙄 😂
Fine. Whatever. I know what you're getting at. If I have offended you, I'm sorry...merely semantics.