Pot is not as safe as some people think!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I don't think anyone is arguing that smoke is bad for you. But, you know, I would understand the argument if only smokers got lung cancer...of pot or otherwise. However, there are different kinds of lung cancer, and even the most typical found in those who smoke is not restricted to smokers only. Heart disease is the same. There are a lot of cases that are found in smokers, but it also appears in non-smokers.

It pays to have dated a doctor, sometimes. An ex of mine is a doctor in Boston, and we were just discussing this thread. He informs me that we're all right in that indulging in anything to excess is bad for your body. However, the studies he has read (and we used to get high together) indicate that occasional pot use, in the form of smoke, is not that bad for you. The lungs and body are designed to take care of themselves. So, when you smoke pot on occasion, the smoke is neatly packaged and removed by the bodies natural processes. And, in regards to the other chemicals found in marijuana, those are actually, in small doses, good for the body. He also informs me that most of the published negative side effects of THC are short-term, and that the body once again kicks in to take care of itself. But, he also points out that a person who smokes one or two joints everyday are, depending on the individuals body, just as likely to suffer the negative side effects as with any over indulgence, of smoking pot. He also states that doctors prescribe pot to people who are undergoing chemo as a method of curbing nausia; and to others due to its ability to increase appetite, in regards to a particular disease from which they may be suffering. He closed the conversation with the fact that pot is actually encouraged by many psychiatrists due to it's less than negative side effects on the body, and calming qualitites.

Not that I expect anyone to take an IM conversation I have with an ex to heart, but I'm satisfied.

Boston, cool place. My home.

But about what you wrote, would you say it all depends on what type of weed is inhaled. What if it had a high concentration of TCH's. Would that have any effect especially in the long term, or not. I mean, what type of weed is considered harmless. Cause nowadays weed has gotten more potent over the years and people associate the safeness of smoking regular weed with the more potent stuff. And that's wherein the danger lies. In ignorance. And in a higher level of TCH's for that matter, which had got to be more dangerous.

Not according to him. The levels of THC required to do any damage are so high, you'd have to do nothing but smoke dope all day. And even then, the worst you'll end up with is a headache.

Maybe by short term memory loss they all mean "Hey, where'd I put my car keys?"

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Maybe by short term memory loss they all mean "Hey, where'd I put my car keys?"

-AC

exactly. That isn't even short term memory loss, it's not paying attention in the first damn place.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Maybe by short term memory loss they all mean "Hey, where'd I put my car keys?"

Losing your car keys ain't so bad. I lost my car! My friend was with me and I was like..."Dude, where's my car?"...Then we ended up hooking-up with the space aliens in the form of super hot girls, and and and...Oh, wait a minute...That was a movie. Huh? Does that mean I'm in a movie? What? Huh? So, I'm like in a movie that's also a movie? Like my life is a movie of a movie of my life or something like that, huh? That's weird, cos this one other time...Man, I was so baked...anyway, so yeah...I was so baked and I, uh, what am I talking about?

Proof, infact, that pot IS bad. It makes people such as Krunk'd adopt the belief they are Ashton Kutcher.

-AC

Can't be bothered reading the thread... is this the thing about THC receptors and schizophrenia...? Depends on how much you use it...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Proof, infact, that pot IS bad. It makes people such as Krunk'd adopt the belief they are Ashton Kutcher.

What's that now? I'm me AND a movie star? What are you talking about? How can that be? Are you high? Are you saying I'm like that guy on Fight Club who has 2 people in his mind and like 2 different bodies, too? Are you saying I was in Fight Club? I can tell you right now, I wasn't. How can I be in a movie about a movie of my life AND Fight Club at the same time? It doesn't make a god-damn bit of sense, AC. None at all. I was in that movie about the guy who takes photos of stuff because he always forgets what he was doing because I like cheese and I like the sun, so yeah, my mother is hot for her age, but I'm not the one telling you that because I'm her son, so 3 girls and 1 golden bikini sounds about right.

It was never safe, everyone that I know who smoked it is not exactly normal, even if they was not addicted, and are physically healthy. All of them behave strangely in one way or another, some are too agressive, get irritated easily, some troubles with their family. I never met someone who is completely normal, there is always something that makes them different from the others. I had a friend in high school who had a really problematic life, and he was the only one that smoked it, there is my uncle who distinguish himself for causing problems in some situations, he gets irritated easily, and is the only one who smoked it in my family. I don´t think its a coincidence. There are other who I talked too, and there is always something different about their personality. Its not something extreme, but is enough to be noted.

I am not sure how many times it needs to be stated on short term memory loss once again.....................and it can be greater then "where did I put my keys."

More importantly we do not have any clinical 20 year studies to determine Long Term side effects of heavy users. Study just hasn't been done to date.

Small doses of pot can be good for you based on several of the articles I have read in the last couple days but then again so is wine...........so whatever.

All that said AC if you want to give a straight answer on any of my pieces feel free with supporting facts and not dance around the issues(which is what you have done everytime.)

Originally posted by soleran30
I am not sure how many times it needs to be stated on short term memory loss once again.....................and it can be greater then "where did I put my keys."

More importantly we do not have any clinical 20 year studies to determine Long Term side effects of heavy users. Study just hasn't been done to date.

Small doses of pot can be good for you based on several of the articles I have read in the last couple days but then again so is wine...........so whatever.

All that said AC if you want to give a straight answer on any of my pieces feel free with supporting facts and not dance around the issues(which is what you have done everytime.)

Note to self: Soleran has no sense of humour.

Exactly, I'm going by the info that factually exists today. I'm not making it out as though I've done the studies myself and got all the answers, I'm going by existing info and what I know, just like you are.

I've gave you straight answers and for someone who has literally sat there and watched me reply to each and every part of your posts, don't accuse me of "dancing" around the issue.

-AC

"I've gave you straight answers and for someone who has literally sat there and watched me reply to each and every part of your posts, don't accuse me of "dancing" around the issue."

no I said answer with some facts based on studies or a valid source. Not what you think or feel. The rest of your comment there doesn't even apply to the answer just you treading around what I said.

So show some valid studies to back up what you say thats all its not hard or is it?

The kids who can't do their own homeworks are really rather boring, but sometimes puppies need the big dogs to throw them some bones...

Taken from Drug Policy Alliance website: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

Sit! Roll over...good dog.

Originally posted by soleran30
"I've gave you straight answers and for someone who has literally sat there and watched me reply to each and every part of your posts, don't accuse me of "dancing" around the issue."

no I said answer with some facts based on studies or a valid source. Not what you think or feel. The rest of your comment there doesn't even apply to the answer just you treading around what I said.

So show some valid studies to back up what you say thats all its not hard or is it?

What I'm curious about is why me being involved in actual studies is so important, why is the info gained from studies not as credible? It's as if you feel that everyone must be scientists and practically involved in studies to speak on the issue. If you've got a handful of links and I haven't, but I know info that is displayed on many links, then why is there any difference to you?

The fact is, we're all aware of the myths and facts of pot today and we've all- regardless of careers in science or not- got the right to express and convey what we know, which is what I have done. You, with your studies, haven't disproved anything I've said. So for you to claim that what I'm saying isn't credible is puzzling. The info exists, people here know it and it's every bit as credible. You not liking it and continually chiming in with "You're dancing around the issue" doesn't mean that's what's actually happening. I used your own link against you and it's becoming quite apparant that you've dug your feet in the ground and assumed the stance of "I'm just going to say you're dancing around the issue despite you replying lengthy each time to every part of a post I've made.

-AC

I'm stoned right nowspliff

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
The kids who can't do their own homeworks are really rather boring, but sometimes puppies need the big dogs to throw them some bones...

Taken from Drug Policy Alliance website: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

[B]In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

Sit! Roll over...good dog. [/B]

That has already been proven incorrect. Smoking of nearly any drug is hazardous to your health so that is a sh1t article there just so you know. Ingestion of pot is entirely different and thats what most of the conversation was referring to. There is no study to address excessive use of pot and long term effects unlike alcohol and cigarettes. So its speculative at best what the true effects on the body are with excessive long term use.

good boy now fetch.................

You're a playful puppy, aren't you!

Silly doggy thinks 30 years of scientific research is 'speculative at best'! Perhaps his owner should return him to the pound. He seems to have been dropped on the head a few too many times...ahhh, look! He's chasing his tail!

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
You're a playful puppy, aren't you!

Silly doggy thinks 30 years of scientific research is 'speculative at best'! Perhaps his owner should return him to the pound. He seems to have been dropped on the head a few too many times...ahhh, look! He's chasing his tail!

is this a massive by product of you smoking dope? Cuz now I need to take a step back and really say pot is BAD.................whatever 30 years there are no foot notes there are no pieces to back up what is said...............what are the controls what are the variables? How long did they do the testing how large was the sample group.............I can make a paragraph like you quoted however it doesn't make it correct.

So once again I say what are the Long Term side effects of excessive use?

"In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe" ok there it is pot has side effects but they aren't listed.

Did your attention span not last past the first sentence?

In light of your inability to focus, it would appear that you're the one toking. However, your anal-retentiveness would seem to negate this supposition.

It really is incredibly boring when some members seem to believe that copy and pasting is the best way to support an argument. If you really want 'foot notes' and 'bananas up your ass', then do the googling yourself...

Good luck, Fido! I hope you unearth some bones...

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Did your attention span not last past the first sentence?

In light of your inability to focus, it would appear that you're the one toking. However, your anal-retentiveness would seem to negate this supposition.

It really is incredibly boring when some members seem to believe that copy and pasting is the best way to support an argument. If you really want 'foot notes' and 'bananas up your ass', then do the googling yourself...

Good luck, Fido! I hope you unearth some bones...

Thats ironic at best I never lost sight of what I was looking for and my question never changed. You on the other hand used slighted comments to sidetrack and never even answered the question I asked instead posted something that didn't fill what was requested.

Copying and pasting isn't the best way to prove anything however valid proof from documented individuals goes alot further then reponses on how you feel and think and have seen in the past which is pretty much what this thread has been about from most individuals.