Pot is not as safe as some people think!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I answered your question, read my post you cretin.

No, you didn't give me an answer. I don't care if it's one I don't like, I'm not asking for one I like, I'm asking for an answer.

It's not very bad for you inherently, you can't and haven't made any attempt to provide info of your own to prove otherwise, you just latch onto Soleran's underbelly and reply with, ironically, the type of comment you try to say I gave you.

So I shall ask you one last time:

Why, if we've established that it's not bad for you (the only bad is subjective reactions, like anything) then why is it bad to do? Because it's illegal?

-AC

Listen carefully my child. I GAVE you an ANSWER. take it, receive, do what you will with it, just remember it.

Now I ask you one more time. With the numerous negative effects of Marijuana, with all of the illnesses that it can cause, with all of the advertisements talking against it, with a thread devoted to how bad it is, with people suffering from addictiong and everywhichever other thing that this cancerstick causes, why isn't it harmful? Huh? Why? Do you even know? Huh? Why?k

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL subjective results that can be documented and proven time and time again is called SCIENCE...............its a strong foundation we place alot of faith in as a society and your welcome to join us.

I seriously don't see just how you're getting this wrong. Read oh so carefully, ok?

It's been PROVEN TO EXIST AS A REACTION (still with me?). I never denied that, what you aren't grasping is that it's a subjective reaction that only happens when certain people have, shock horror, bad reactions to it.

Cheese doesn't inherently cause hives but I know someone who breaks out in them when they eat it. Just like pot doesn't definitely cause loss of memory and/or brain "malfunctions".

Originally posted by soleran30
The only thing you have dispelled around here is your ability to take a step back and acknowledge that pot does have recognizable measureable side affects that can be reproduced with the same results. Where as you are simply denying and not producing an ounce of proof to show that what I have presented is incorrect.

I've proved it in every post I've made to you.

The pot itself does not, each and every time, give off bad side-effects and it's NOT a chance thing, because people can smoke pot their whole lives and not suffer any of these effects. Some people do because it's a? Say it with me...subjective...reaction.

Originally posted by soleran30
And the things I have shown with memory aren't even done in a 20 year clinical study.........................so please stop using your ancetodal pieces from what you "think" and "feel" and please feel free to post some evidance. Otherwise let me ask you simply this.

You are the one who is continually trying to prove the non-existent point that pot, by default, has guaranteed negative side-effects.

Originally posted by soleran30
1. Do you consider the loss of future short term memory and cognitive abilites a negative affect on people?

Yes I do, IF it happens. Now let me ask you this:

Does the pot definitely cause that in each and every person who uses it?

I'll answer for you: No.

Conclusion: It's not the pot, it's the person.

-AC

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Listen carefully my child. I GAVE you an ANSWER. take it, receive, do what you will with it, just remember it.

The answer you gave me was "Because it's very harmful". It's not, proven. In and of itself it's not a harmful substance.

So I will ask you again: Why is it bad to do, if of course we have established that it's not harmful unless you have bad reactions to it (which ISN'T guaranteed)?

Go on, don't be scared and don't chicken out with "Told you."

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Now I ask you one more time.

Gonna assume this is a joke, oh no, wait. You are a massive hypocrite, must be honest.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
With the numerous negative effects of Marijuana

What numerous negative effects? The one's we've established DON'T exist, barring subjective reaction which isn't the fault of the pot?

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
with all of the illnesses that it can cause

It's used medically with POSITIVE consequence. What illnesses?

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
with all of the advertisements talking against it

Final nail in the coffin for you.

You just said in another thread "Cigarettes are bad for you", but there are commercials promoting them. So if commercials are what you are going by...then you should be of the belief that cigarettes are cool and that alcohol is alright. Such a hypocrite.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
with a thread devoted to how bad it is

Means nothing. There's threads dedicated to all kinds of crap.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
with people suffering from addiction and everywhichever other thing that this cancerstick causes, why isn't it harmful? Huh? Why? Do you even know? Huh? Why?k

is it comprehensible.....

Pot factually does not cause psychological or physiological addiction, fact.

If someone comes off it after being on it, they might whine a bit, but they will have no mental or physical side effects.

Stop asking me why it's not harmful if you're not gonna read my posts, I've told you about ten times and you've not even answered my question yet.

Love all this.

-AC

does smoking cigarettes have a chance to cause cancer? Yes

does ingesting pot have a chance to cause short term memory difficulties? Yes

so a possible side effect of smoking cigarrettes is cancer..........

so a possible side effect of ingesting pot is short term memory difficulties........................

there yeah go pot has potential side effects just like your cheese piece and my smoking piece and pot has potential side effects.

breathing has side effects should i stop that too???

Stop as ignoring MY post when I TOLD YOU already my answer. And I told you way more then what you stated I did. I gave you reasons and examples and interviewed accounts, research references and everything.

And they took the Cigarette promotions off the air a long time ago buddy. I wonder why. The only ones I see are the ones that are showing the NEGATIVE effects and how stupid it is.

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY SMOKING ISN'T STUPID????
They never can, and you can't either, but that's not what this thread is about so please differentiate between threads and lets not throw this one more off track then it already is.

Now I ask you ONE last time. ONE last time.
Why isn't it harmful. It's is a fact that is it. Now why isn't it. You tell the people who're underground that it isn't harmful. You tell those people with Lungs as black as your heart that it isn't harmful. Don't tell me the mess aint harmful...makes you look like a fool.

*Ping* nail out of coffin and straight through your heart.

Now I ask you ONE more time. Yes, I ASK You, I ASK, ASK ASK............the ever burning question, or should I say word, WHY?

Love this and love me while you're at it.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
breathing has side effects should i stop that too???

save the psuedo wit.................there aren't many absolutes however there are things that we can create and recreate with reasonable levels of success which create patterns that are identifiable and thats where TADA side effects come from and are labeled...........

Originally posted by soleran30
does smoking cigarettes have a chance to cause cancer? Yes

Clever dude.

Originally posted by soleran30
does ingesting pot have a chance to cause short term memory difficulties? Yes

Not if you aren't able to suffer a negative reaction to it, because the reactions from pot aren't across the board and definite, they're subjective. Not everyone who smokes pot has a chance of short term memory loss. Everyone who smokes tobacco does have a chance to get cancer.

Originally posted by soleran30
so a possible side effect of smoking cigarrettes is cancer..........

I'm impressed. Continue...

Originally posted by soleran30
so a possible side effect of ingesting pot is short term memory difficulties? Yes

No. If I don't have the parts in my body that react to pot badly, I'm in no danger of suffering short term memory loss from it. Cancer doesn't need specific parts, it attacks anyone. Side-effects from pot do not target anyone. Proof? Deaths?

Originally posted by soleran30
so a possible side effect of ingesting pot is short term memory difficulties........................

there yeah go pot has potential side effects just like your cheese piece and my smoking piece and pot has side effects.

Cancer is a possible outcome no matter what kind of chemicals and reactive parts you have in your body.

Swelling up is a possible outcome, as short term memory loss is for pot, for mosquito bites or any bug bites. This is only possible if you have parts that react badly to the bite. I've been bitten by the same bugs as my dad and not noticed, he's been bitten and ended up in the London A&E.

Pot induced memory loss is a subjective effect. It's not indiscriminate, you have to have the catalyst for the reaction in your body already.

To quote Apu: Thank you, come again.

-AC

theres just as much proof that cannabis can help you...
apparently its good against cancer... lots of old people take it, (not to get high) but as it relieves arthritis...

You can't prove 100% that Pot is bad... Its flawed as much of the results could be down to the tabaco thats used with it... or the actual person over the pot...

Originally posted by soleran30
save the psuedo wit

When your point is as flawed as my rebutal asking me not to take the mick is quite cheeky...
Hm'kay...

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Stop as ignoring MY post when I TOLD YOU already my answer. And I told you way more then what you stated I did. I gave you reasons and examples and interviewed accounts, research references and everything.

You told me an answer that didn't answer my question. You dodged.

"Why is pot bad to do?" "Because it's very harmful." "Why?" "Because *Insert many myths*" "Those aren't true, that comes from reaction personally, not pot." Then you dodge everything.

If you're scared to answer my question because you KNOW it'll make you look dumber than you already do, that's fine, just don't keep saying you've answered it.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
And they took the Cigarette promotions off the air a long time ago buddy. I wonder why. The only ones I see are the ones that are showing the NEGATIVE effects and how stupid it is.

Live under a rock then?

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY SMOKING ISN'T STUPID????
They never can, and you can't either, but that's not what this thread is about so please differentiate between threads and lets not throw this one more off track then it already is.

Just exposing the hypocricy, just exposing.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Now I ask you ONE last time. ONE last time.

Why isn't it harmful. It's is a fact that is it. Now why isn't it. You tell the people who're underground that it isn't harmful. You tell those people with Lungs as black as your heart that it isn't harmful. Don't tell me the mess aint harmful...makes you look like a fool.

I have told you, so many times in the past however many posts, why it's NOT harmful. I'm not dodging anything, I've answered your question SO many times, but to smack you out of the park finally:

Why pot isn't bad: All the issues Soleran is raising, do not come from pot. They come from people's REACTION to pot. End.

Second point: Pot has properties used to numb pain often suggested medically. End.

Third point: Pot causes no addiction. If a pot smoker stops, they won't suffer any mental or physical problems. End.

EG in attachment to second point: My late Grandmother had M.S, chronic bodily pain throughout. The doctor suggested, in an off the record way, that it would numb her pain, it did. No other prescription drug could, but pot did.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
Now I ask you ONE more time. Yes, I ASK You, I ASK, ASK ASK............the ever burning question, or should I say word, WHY?

See above.

If you ask me one more time, why pot isn't harmful, I will not answer you. Because I have answered you over five times not and not once have you answered me.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not if you aren't able to suffer a negative reaction to it, because the reactions from pot aren't across the board and definite, they're subjective. Not everyone who smokes pot has a chance of short term memory loss. Everyone who smokes tobacco does have a chance to get cancer.

No. If I don't have the parts in my body that react to pot badly, I'm in no danger of suffering short term memory loss from it. Cancer doesn't need specific parts, it attacks anyone. Side-effects from pot do not target anyone. Proof? Deaths?

Cancer is a possible outcome no matter what kind of chemicals and reactive parts you have in your body.

Pot induced memory loss is a subjective effect. It's not indiscriminate, you have to have the catalyst for the reaction in your body already.

Man phew take a step back and read my post again, I stated there is a chance for short term difficulties I never said you absolutely get it. Just like smoking cigarettes doesn't ALWAYS give you cancer there is a chance.

When have I mentioned deaths as a side effect of pot? Why would you even include that when I am talking about short term memory difficulties you are asking about death..............whatever stay on task.

Also I have never read anywhere that if you smoke pot you automatically get memory loss nor have I ever read that you cannot have memory problems later in life from pot.

you have yet to prove anything other then your opinion and mincing words about subjective.................................WAHOO everyone thing is subjective. Once again a side effect is something that can be identified as a measurable result from a group of people using a specific drug.

so go ahead and now use some scientific proof other then what you feel is subjective.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You told me an answer that didn't answer my question. You dodged.

"Why is pot bad to do?" "Because it's very harmful." "Why?" "Because *Insert many myths*" "Those aren't true, that comes from reaction personally, not pot." Then you dodge everything.

If you're scared to answer my question because you KNOW it'll make you look dumber than you already do, that's fine, just don't keep saying you've answered it.

Live under a rock then?

Just exposing the hypocricy, just exposing.

I have told you, so many times in the past however many posts, why it's NOT harmful. I'm not dodging anything, I've answered your question SO many times, but to smack you out of the park finally:

Why pot isn't bad: All the issues Soleran is raising, do not come from pot. They come from people's REACTION to pot. End.

Second point: Pot has properties used to numb pain often suggested medically. End.

Third point: Pot causes no addiction. If a pot smoker stops, they won't suffer any mental or physical problems. End.

EG in attachment to second point: My late Grandmother had M.S, chronic bodily pain throughout. The doctor suggested, in an off the record way, that it would numb her pain, it did. No other prescription drug could, but pot did.

See above.

If you ask me one more time, why pot isn't harmful, I will not answer you. Because I have answered you over five times not and not once have you answered me.

-AC

Just myths I tell ya.

just your personal reaction to it. Whether you smoke it or not.

It's not the answers I'm looking for. It's not what I asked. Now unless you can answer my question the way I want, I will not accept anything you say,but if it's not what I think, it's completely incorrect, wrong, meaningless. Got it.

Now I answered you, it's your turn answer me. Now you keep dodging and you're saying you won't answer me if i ask you again. Too much pressure, just a simple question. But that's okay. I would 't be able to answer my question either.

But just for the record.

Why isn't Marijuana Harmful? You don't know do you? Nope. Why?

Don't dodge now.

Of course, Like i said, you can always not answer, to save yourself the embarrassment. I would.

Why?

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by powerfulone1987

Why isn't Marijuana Harmful? You don't know do you? Nope. Why?

Maybe cause it has no harmful side effects on the body or mind like other drugs? ....oh yes, that was it.

Originally posted by soleran30
Also I have never read anywhere that if you smoke pot you automatically get memory loss nor have I ever read that you cannot have memory problems later in life from pot.

I've never read that elephants don't have heat ray eyes... But I've never read that they don't....

There have been no studies done that have concluded that Pot is bad... They have concluded that smoking is bad.... but not pot... there have been various links made... But there have been various links made about elvis still being alive...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I've never read that elephants don't have heat ray eyes... But I've never read that they don't....

There have been no studies done that have concluded that Pot is bad... They have concluded that smoking is bad.... but not pot... there have been various links made... But there have been various links made about elvis still being alive...

dude you are just outta line and talking out your arse.............I have provided several links that are fairly objective that have shown the INGESTION of pot to have caused said side effects...................the smoking piece is entirely seperate.................here is a site for you that dispells and explains many myths.................

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/129.html

enjoy

and really people, do you need studies to tell you Marijuana is bad.

If no studies had been done on Aids, would you still have unprotected sex with anybody, even though you saw the effects of AIds arond you, just because there was no study holding your hand and walking you through it step by step?

is it comprehensible.....

I don't see any effects of marijuhana that I would call bad.
Why are you assuming that Pot is bad? Any reason for it? I mean there are no studies, there are not many cases where one could argue the Pot was the cause of the problem...you jsut don't like it?

powerfultone, Not only does weed relieve pain, its also good for glaucoma patients, because it promotes your eye's production of aqueas humour. (a good excuse if you ever get padded down 😎 )

Tobacco is so bad for you, that you don't even need to inhale it; cigar smoke, pipe smoke, dip, and chew can all (and will eventually) cause mouth cancer.

I don't think there's a single benefit of tabacco in any form.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't see any effects of marijuhana that I would call bad.

Same thought's here, When I am stoned I just feel happy and laugh at everything 😂

😕 What's wrong with that?

Originally posted by soleran30
dude you are just outta line and talking out your arse.............I have provided several links that are fairly objective that have shown the INGESTION of pot to have caused said side effects...................the smoking piece is entirely seperate.................here is a site for you that dispells and explains many myths.................

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/129.html

enjoy

Wow a site that spends more time knocking the smokers then actually providing any insight at all.. Congrats! no wonder your full of shit... reading biased articals like that doesn't make you smart... It makes you a tool...

Here read an Imparshal artical based on fact rather then someones dislike of the subject...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29

And here is a list of PROVEN therapeutic effects of it....

Pain relief (especially headaches, cramps, and eye pain due to lowered intraocular pressure).
Increased appetite, food subjectively tastes better.
Reduced nausea, (especially from chemotherapy), though may cause or exacerbate nausea for some.
Dilation of alveoli (air sacs) in lungs, resulting in deeper respiration.
Increase in productive coughs
Dilation of blood vessels (vasodilation), resulting in:
Increased blood flow and heart rate
Reddening of the conjunctivae (red eye)
Lower intra-ocular pressure (beneficial to glaucoma patients).
Lower blood pressure while standing. Higher blood pressure while sitting (note that this can lead to instances of orthostatic hypotension).
Induces drowsiness (beneficial to sufferers of insomnia and sleep deprivation).
Relaxation
Reduced stress
Mild entheogenesis (e.g. per Rastafarian users, more "Jah-Vibrations"😉