Pot is not as safe as some people think!

"Right, so when did I claim that I have proof that pot will never, ever be discovered to be dangerous?

I'm talking about now. Right now, all studies and all reports, all examples suggest that it is safe and until there is any evidence to support YOUR claims other than blind speculation, I shall continue to assume so. I'm not gonna assume there ARE massively dangerous sides to pot just because of your rationale."

There are proven negative side effects you simply turn your nose to them or justify them to yourself. If someone wants to do the drug so be it there have been proven negative side effects and thats not even with escessive prolonged use.

To blindly turn a cheek to a drug without thinking about LT effects is your choice thats great now we need to get the information gathered to let people make up their own mind about how they feel about this.
LOL because this topic isn't about AC and THC its about what do we need to have to educate properly on this drug for others...............

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You've even disagreed with your sourcing!

You keep saying that and I keep telling you that I didn't source the whole site. You asked for proof of one of my claims, I showed you it. I linked you to the site it's from.

I am not responsible for you deciding to clutch and straws.

-AC

i would read all these recent pages of pointless debate...but im just not stoned enough

Originally posted by soleran30
There are proven negative side effects you simply turn your nose to them or justify them to yourself. If someone wants to do the drug so be it there have been proven negative side effects and thats not even with escessive prolonged use.

What negative side effects are these then? The short-term memory loss? Ok, negative. Reversible and temporary though.

Originally posted by soleran30
To blindly turn a cheek to a drug without thinking about LT effects is your choice thats great now we need to get the information gathered to let people make up their own mind about how they feel about this.
LOL because this topic isn't about AC and THC its about what do we need to have to educate properly on this drug for others...............

What LT effects? The ones you assume are there but can't be sure because nobody know? Those ones?

I'm talking about the ST ones that we do know exist and that we DO know, do NOT cause death, and we DO know cause TEMPORARY memory loss.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Waiting on that proof. Also, what happened to "Night" and "Bye"? Am I that much of a reason for you to stay here?

For someone so disgusted by me, you sure know how to make a contradiction.

-AC

Nope it's just funny 🙂 watching you try and prove something - I asked for proof first by the way which you haven't provided

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11949984&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11711246&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11224724&dopt=Abstract

heres some of mine I have lots more 🙂

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11415485&dopt=Abstract

lots more wheres yours?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nope it's just funny 🙂 watching you try and prove something - I asked for proof first by the way which you haven't provided

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11949984&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11711246&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11224724&dopt=Abstract

heres some of mine I have lots more 🙂

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11415485&dopt=Abstract

lots more wheres yours?

Hahaha, that didn't work out too well for you.

The first link I read ended with: "We have concluded that there are no long-term effects on global intelligence from marijuana".

The others said almost exactly the same. Possible LT effects, but not proven, so the conclusion drawn is that today, as it stands, there's no LT effect until proven otherwise.

One of them said how bad smoking it can be, in which case that's the smoking, not the weed.

The other said how it differs in individuals, which again, is personal intolerances and not the weed.

When it gets to the point that your own links disagree with you...tsk. Call it a day.

-AC

so what are the negative effects again AC as described by you?

Originally posted by soleran30
so what are the negative effects again AC as described by you?

ST temporary memory loss, the only kind we have proof of. Depending on if you smoke it or not, and how much per day/month/year, lung complications.

You don't get lung complications from drinking it in tea, or eating it in cake.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, that didn't work out too well for you.

The first link I read ended with: "We have concluded that there are no long-term effects on global intelligence from marijuana".

Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained.

actually ends as I stated earlier we don't know 🙂

second one stated

This study examined the neurophysiological effects of cannabis. Cerebral blood flow (CBF) was measured in 12 long-term cannabis users shortly after cessation of cannabis use (mean 1.6 days). The findings showed significantly lower mean hemispheric blood flow values and significantly lower frontal values in the cannabis subjects compared to normal controls. The results suggest that the functional level of the frontal lobes is affected by long-term cannabis use.

so I think that shows a problem don't you 🙂

Read it all don't pick and choose 😂

Professionals Facts Posters Opinions/Excuses

Impaired perception?: No, just altered. Which is the point, of course.

Diminished short-term memory?: Proven so far to be reversible and nothing else.

Loss of concentration and coordination?: This was covered above, not necessarily a "negative".

Impaired judgement?: See above.

Increased risk of accidents?: That's not the pot. That's being dumb enough to do dangerous things under it's influence.
Professional Facts Posters interpretive opinion

Loss of motivation?: So laziness then...? Happens every day to many people, without pot. It's not the pot.

Diminished inhibitions?: This became a bad thing...when?

Increased heart rate?: So is jogging unhealthy now then?

Anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia?: All subjective experiences, not solely down to the pot.

Hallucinations?: Yes that would be the point of getting high wouldn't it? Doesn't do any damage.

Damage to those systems?: Reproductive? Good, too many people in the world as it is. Immune? Not hardly. Respiratory? If smoked. That's the smoke, not the pot.

Increased risk of cancer?: That's smoking it, not eating/drinking.

Psychological dependency?: Factually false. Pot leads to no psychological and/or physiological ad

perhaps they should hire you to interpret data for education pieces on all drugs.

Originally posted by soleran30
Professionals Facts Posters Opinions/Excuses

Impaired perception?: No, just altered. Which is the point, of course.

Diminished short-term memory?: Proven so far to be reversible and nothing else.

Loss of concentration and coordination?: This was covered above, not necessarily a "negative".

Impaired judgement?: See above.

Increased risk of accidents?: That's not the pot. That's being dumb enough to do dangerous things under it's influence.
Professional Facts Posters interpretive opinion

Loss of motivation?: So laziness then...? Happens every day to many people, without pot. It's not the pot.

Diminished inhibitions?: This became a bad thing...when?

Increased heart rate?: So is jogging unhealthy now then?

Anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia?: All subjective experiences, not solely down to the pot.

Hallucinations?: Yes that would be the point of getting high wouldn't it? Doesn't do any damage.

Damage to those systems?: Reproductive? Good, too many people in the world as it is. Immune? Not hardly. Respiratory? If smoked. That's the smoke, not the pot.

Increased risk of cancer?: That's smoking it, not eating/drinking.

Psychological dependency?: Factually false. Pot leads to no psychological and/or physiological ad

perhaps they should hire you to interpret data for education pieces on all drugs.

😂 Classic

and this is interesting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11281947&dopt=Abstract

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained.

actually ends as I stated earlier we don't know 🙂

I said we don't know if it has any LT effects either, but what do know what effects it DOES have, and none of them point to it being dangerous.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
second one stated

This study examined the neurophysiological effects of cannabis. Cerebral blood flow (CBF) was measured in 12 long-term cannabis users shortly after cessation of cannabis use (mean 1.6 days). The findings showed significantly lower mean hemispheric blood flow values and significantly lower frontal values in the cannabis subjects compared to normal controls. The results suggest that the functional level of the frontal lobes is affected by long-term cannabis use.

so I think that shows a problem don't you 🙂

Read it all don't pick and choose 😂

The results SUGGEST that the function may be affected by long-term use. Where's the definitive conclusion Whirly? Oh, nowhere.

Originally posted by Soleran30
perhaps they should hire you to interpret data for education pieces on all drugs.

*Waits for Soleran to come to a point here*

Go on.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I said we don't know if it has any LT effects either, but what do know what effects it DOES have, and none of them point to it being dangerous.

The results SUGGEST that the function may be affected by long-term use. Where's the definitive conclusion Whirly? Oh, nowhere.

*Waits for Soleran to come to a point here*

Go on.

-AC

AC you are arguing something even you don't believe. As we have stated there is a lot of evidence edging towards dangers. More so than your point of view that no dangers exist and Pot is safe.

lol no your kinda like an ostrich with an ugly choice to make so you stick your head in a hole and act like there is nothing wrong cuz its not there for you to see.

ie ok short term memory loss is kinda bad..........
anxiety and panic attacks.............well those are subjective but thats not bad......................

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
😂 Classic

and this is interesting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11281947&dopt=Abstract

Oh dear, Whirly.

It says that pot may EXACERBATE schizophernia. Aka, if you've got it already it may make it worse. Shocker there. If you have schizophrenia and you take pot, you're stupid.

What else does it say? I'll tell you. It also says that driving under the influence of pot is bad because it impairs your awareness. Wow, and I was just about to go take pot....then drive.

All of the links you show, prove NOT the existence of LT effects, but how the effects of TODAY can lead to bad situations. Which isn't the pot's fault.

-AC

Originally posted by soleran30
lol no your kinda like an ostrich with an ugly choice to make so you stick your head in a hole and act like there is nothing wrong cuz its not there for you to see.

agreed and on that note truly goodnight as this argument like PVS said has become pointless.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
AC you are arguing something even you don't believe. As we have stated there is a lot of evidence edging towards dangers. More so than your point of view that no dangers exist and Pot is safe.

Every link you've provided suggests otherwise. Not to mention all the countless parts of my posts you've dodged.

Goodnight aka see you in 10 minutes or less.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Every link you've provided suggests otherwise. Not to mention all the countless parts of my posts you've dodged.

Goodnight aka see you in 10 minutes or less.

-AC

Actually every link I have provided suggests the likelyhood and ppossibility of greater damage.

As for the cya in 10 minutes an amusing but failed attempt too keep my interest in you. Sadly you don't have enough (any) specialised knowledge on this for your points to extend beyond, "but it's not completely proven Whirly", You'd have been great working for the tobacco companies 25 years ago. 😉 I guess every now and then I have to meet someone whose ignorance is encyclopedic.

Sir Whirlysplat.... I thought you got banned? Oh well. Slightly off topic.

I read some of that article and got the general idea, they seem to be talking about toxic-psychosis, toxic-psychosis is caused by going "cold turkey" and not from the actual drug its self. I have smoked pot for years now and there is nothing wrong with me, if anything it has helped me expand my mind, this article is a lie, propaganda trying to turn people against free will. They say we are free but Deny us of doing thing they don't want us to do. Because as we all know Mary Jane will save the sane.