Pot is not as safe as some people think!

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Bored now as everyone agrees except AC and Hit and Miss.Goodnight all!

What don't I agree with whirly?? I agreed ages ago that some people can get "freaked out" with pot and go a little loopy... same with booze.. All comes down to individuals really....

SO.... we got no further then 10 pages back...

the only point you have reinforced is that some people can't hack it.. And others can... And for some reason your trying desperately to twist AC's words so you can attack him over it...

Oh... that and you need google every other post....😆

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
What don't I agree with whirly?? I agreed ages ago that some people can get "freaked out" with pot and go a little loopy... same with booze.. All comes down to individuals really....

SO.... we got no further then 10 pages back...

the only point you have reinforced is that some people can't hack it.. And others can... And for some reason your trying desperately to twist AC's words so you can attack him over it...

Oh... that and you need google every other post....😆

So you agree with me now,,,,

and yes I like to back up with google... like AC foound you need to know what to put in, it's not like ebaums world.

Others seem to disagree with AC and agree with me. hmmmm, it's kind of working out for you like that other thread.

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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"It also says it has yet to be proven, so we must go by what we have, correct?

What DO we have? Animal studies, yep...real credible there. How about the human studies? How did they work?

Oh...that's right, short-term REVERSIBLE memory loss.

As it stands, there's no signs of it being permanent. There are signs, and proof, that it's reversible.

Anymore?

-AC"

So you agree with me I said we don't know, so far you have failed to do anything but support my statements Thats why I can't argue with you. You know so little on anything concrete.

Animal studies are usually a good starting point, which is why we use them, obviously human data now needs gathering, as I said noone knows yet. If you wish to take the chance it's cool.

You see with secondary sources you have to have knowledge to start with to use them. It's cool - goodnight "man". Take a toke it'll relax you

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Originally posted by soleran30
"Once damage has been done to the brain its not really "reversible" as once again the brain cannot rebuild/repair like most tissue in our body................

Typically the brain finds different neural pathways to send the mssg around destroyed parts................so enough damage occurs and you cannot build a road over the grand canyon so to speak."

agreed

no no no no no..... This point was established long ago... YOUR agreeing with us.. But your too proud to say it...

Originally posted by soleran30
Once damage has been done to the brain its not really "reversible" as once again the brain cannot rebuild/repair like most tissue in our body................

Well clearly it's not permanent.

Originally posted by soleran30
Typically the brain finds different neural pathways to send the mssg around destroyed parts................so enough damage occurs and you cannot build a road over the grand canyon so to speak.

We're not talking about monumental damage though. I'm talking about short-term memory loss, so far, the only "serious" side effect of pot. So apparantly you can build a bridge over that, as there's studies that prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So you agree with me I said we don't know, so far you have failed to do anything but support my statements Thats why I can't argue with you. You know so little on anything concrete.

This is getting funnier now. Support your statements? Most of what you've said, I said before. Then you asked me to refute the statements I agreed with...where's the logic? Oh, then of course you decided to start blubbering about taxes and dodging everything else I said.

Second, I said it's not been proven to be permanent has it? No. What has been proven though, is that short-term memory loss, as it stands, isn't permanent. So pot could NEVER cause permanent memory loss, wholly.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Animal studies are usually a good starting point, which is why we use them, obviously human data now needs gathering, as I said noone knows yet. If you wish to take the chance it's cool.

We DO know that the short-term memory loss it causes, goes away. So obviously, it can't ever definitely cause permanent memory loss ONLY can it? No.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You see with secondary sources you have to have knowledge to start with to use them. It's cool - goodnight "man". Take a toke it'll relax you

You're very insecure.

-AC

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
no no no no no..... This point was established long ago... YOUR agreeing with us.. But your too proud to say it...

I am missing someothing here....................we have helped to draw some conclussion to the affects of pot with facts supported by scientific studies.

I have seen really nothing but ancedotal evidence at best to support whether or not pot is safe.....................

is that what you are attmepting to say here Hit?

"Well clearly it's not permanent."

damage to the brain is always permanent. However that would be a cool test to run on an MRI. MRI someone's brain on THC and identify the different parts that are used to see how it affects them......wernickle's area, brocca's spot etc etc

"We're not talking about monumental damage though. I'm talking about short-term memory loss, so far, the only "serious" side effect of pot. So apparantly you can build a bridge over that, as there's studies that prove otherwise."

Thats why I made mention that the longer you have THC affecting you and causing harm it can build up and then you can no longer build those neural pathways it could even have a degenerative effect like alcohol.........................

Originally posted by soleran30
damage to the brain is always permanent that would be a cool test to run as well to MRI someone's brain on pot and identify the different parts that are used to see how it affects them.

How do you explain the studies that reveal it's reversible/temporary then?

Originally posted by soleran30
Thats why I made mention that the longer you have THC affecting you and causing harm it can build up and then you can no longer build those neural pathways it could even have a degenerative effect like alcohol.........................

This is all could's, maybe's and might have's. What we do know is that the most serious side effect is short-term memory loss, and as it stands, this is reversible. Studies have shown this.

Do you not agree that right now there is more evidence point in favour of pot being safe, than there is against?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well clearly it's not permanent.

We're not talking about monumental damage though. I'm talking about short-term memory loss, so far, the only "serious" side effect of pot. So apparantly you can build a bridge over that, as there's studies that prove otherwise.

lets ignore the insults and concentrate on this part of your post

Your source says we don't know

The Impact on the Mind

Marijuana use reduces learning ability. Research has been piling up of late demonstrating clearly that marijuana limits the capacity to absorb and retain information. A 1995 study of college students discovered that the inability of heavy marijuana users to focus, sustain attention, and organize data persists for as long as 24 hours after their last use of the drug. Earlier research, comparing cognitive abilities of adult marijuana users with non-using adults, found that users fall short on memory as well as math and verbal skills. Although it has yet to be proven conclusively that heavy marijuana use can cause irreversible loss of intellectual capacity, animal studies have shown marijuana-induced structural damage to portions of the brain essential to memory and learning.

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

So we don't know🙂

Originally posted by soleran30
I am missing someothing here....................we have helped to draw some conclussion to the affects of pot with facts supported by scientific studies.

I have seen really nothing but ancedotal evidence at best to support whether or not pot is safe.....................

is that what you are attmepting to say here Hit?

agreed but don't ask H and M to produce 😂 he won't

Originally posted by soleran30
"Well clearly it's not permanent."

damage to the brain is always permanent. However that would be a cool test to run on an MRI. MRI someone's brain on THC and identify the different parts that are used to see how it affects them......wernickle's area, brocca's spot etc etc

"We're not talking about monumental damage though. I'm talking about short-term memory loss, so far, the only "serious" side effect of pot. So apparantly you can build a bridge over that, as there's studies that prove otherwise."

Thats why I made mention that the longer you have THC affecting you and causing harm it can build up and then you can no longer build those neural pathways it could even have a degenerative effect like alcohol.........................

It could truth is research needs doing as some damage is caused!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How do you explain the studies that reveal it's reversible/temporary then?

This is all could's, maybe's and might have's. What we do know is that the most serious side effect is short-term memory loss, and as it stands, this is reversible. Studies have shown this.

Do you not agree that right now there is more evidence point in favour of pot being safe, than there is against?

-AC

Because we don't know how long term it is yet or how well the brain circumvents the damage, this will vary individual to individual.It is safer than many drugs, but it has risks associated. Some at present are unknowns and not widely publicised.

"Do you not agree that right now there is more evidence point in favour of pot being safe, than there is against?"

based off assumptions you mean used in "moderation" that can be said about a TON of illegal and even legal drugs if you look hard enough to find a "proper" use.

Thats also why I am not against it being legal. I am against any knuckle head that would abuse it then think there are no ramifications simply because we cannot find them today (mostly due to it being illegal catch 22)

"How do you explain the studies that reveal it's reversible/temporary then?"

For the same reason when I was in college and doing neurophsyche testing I did it in an office and based it on alot of behavior analysis as well as "tests." However at the end of the day drop these same people in a lets say MRI center do these studies and analyze the functions of the brain as used and we would have a much greater understanding of what it is doing up there and the rest of your body really.

Originally posted by soleran30
"Do you not agree that right now there is more evidence point in favour of pot being safe, than there is against?"

based off assumptions you mean used in "moderation" that can be said about a TON of illegal and even legal drugs if you look hard enough to find a "proper" use.

Thats also why I am not against it being legal. I am against any knuckle head that would abuse it then think there are no ramifications simply because we cannot find them today (mostly due to it being illegal catch 22)

"How do you explain the studies that reveal it's reversible/temporary then?"

For the same reason when I was in college and doing neurophsyche testing I did it in an office and based it on alot of behavior analysis as well as "tests." However at the end of the day drop these same people in a lets say MRI center do these studies and analyze the functions of the brain as used and we would have a much greater understanding of what it is doing up there and the rest of your body really.

Agreed totally. 🙂

Goodnight all 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Because we don't know how long term it is yet or how well the brain circumvents the damage, this will vary individual to individual.It is safer than many drugs, but it has risks associated. Some at present are unknowns and not widely publicised.

Let's try again, see if you can actually grasp the point without repeating what I say, back to me:

A) Yes, it differs through individuals. So I will say this for the millionth time, it's not the pot then, is it? No. It's the individual reaction.

B) We have to go by what we DO know, and what we DO know is that the short-term memory loss caused in SOME cases, by pot, is temporary.

Originally posted by soleran30
based off assumptions you mean used in "moderation" that can be said about a TON of illegal and even legal drugs if you look hard enough to find a "proper" use.

Thats also why I am not against it being legal. I am against any knuckle head that would abuse it then think there are no ramifications simply because we cannot find them today (mostly due to it being illegal catch 22)

Answer my question, please: Do you agree that as today's information stands, there is more information and evidence pointing to the conclusion that pot is safe, than there is to say it's not? If there is no permanent or solid conclusion found from continual studies, then one must assume that it is safe.

You're against idiocy then, that doesn't say anything about the pot.

Originally posted by soleran30
For the same reason when I was in college and doing neurophsyche testing I did it in an office and based it on alot of behavior analysis as well as "tests." However at the end of the day drop these same people in a lets say MRI center do these studies and analyze the functions of the brain as used and we would have a much greater understanding of what it is doing up there and the rest of your body really.

So basically you're just guessing that these tests that proved it to be temporary, are inaccurate?

It seems to me that you're using the flawed rationale of "Unless there's tests to prove no permanent side-effects exist, we shouldn't assume there are none." Instead of "All the tests done, over all of time, have shown us that it is safe. So it's safe to assume they're correct."

-AC

Rape isn't legal and music isn't illegal and rightfully so, so it isn't an issue.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's try again, see if you can actually grasp the point without repeating what I say, back to me:

A) Yes, it differs through individuals. So I will say this for the millionth time, it's not the pot then, is it? No. It's the individual reaction.

B) We have to go by what we DO know, and what we DO know is that the short-term memory loss caused in SOME cases, by pot, is temporary.

Answer my question, please: Do you agree that as today's information stands, there is more information and evidence pointing to the conclusion that pot is safe, than there is to say it's not? If there is no permanent or solid conclusion found from continual studies, then one must assume that it is safe.

You're against idiocy then, that doesn't say anything about the pot.

So basically you're just guessing that these tests that proved it to be temporary, are inaccurate?

It seems to me that you're using the flawed rationale of "Unless there's tests to prove no permanent side-effects exist, we shouldn't assume there are none." Instead of "All the tests done, over all of time, have shown us that it is safe. So it's safe to assume they're correct."

-AC

Actaully AC the point is you smoke dope and you want to say it's completely safe it's not. You've provided nothing which does not support my assertations. Including you sourcing 😂 which was comical. You keep taking it and deny the possible risks. I admit to having taken some drugs in the past, I don't now, but I was always aware that the "safe" drug does not exist.

Never make assumptions they make an ass out of u and me.

leave you with your own "source" once again

Marijuana has been around for a long while. Its source, the hemp plant (cannabis sativa), was being cultivated for psychoactive properties more than 2,000 years ago. Although cannabis contains at least 400 different chemicals, its main mind-altering ingredient is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol).The amount of THC in marijuana determines the drug’s strength, and THC levels are affected by a great many factors, including plant type, weather, soil, and time of harvest. Sophisticated cannabis cultivation of today produces high levels of THC and marijuana that is far more potent than pot of the past. THC content of marijuana, which averaged less than 1 percent in 1974, rose to an average 4 percent by 1994.

For the highly popular form of marijuana called Sinsemilla (from the Spanish "without seeds"😉, made from just the buds and flowering tops of female plants, THC content averages 7.5 percent and ranges as high as 24 percent. As for hashish, a resin made from flowers of the female plant, THC levels may be five to ten times higher than crude marijuana’s.

- that means its affects can vary each time you take it

The Impact on the Mind

Marijuana use reduces learning ability. Research has been piling up of late demonstrating clearly that marijuana limits the capacity to absorb and retain information. A 1995 study of college students discovered that the inability of heavy marijuana users to focus, sustain attention, and organize data persists for as long as 24 hours after their last use of the drug. Earlier research, comparing cognitive abilities of adult marijuana users with non-using adults, found that users fall short on memory as well as math and verbal skills. Although it has yet to be proven conclusively that heavy marijuana use can cause irreversible loss of intellectual capacity, animal studies have shown marijuana-induced structural damage to portions of the brain essential to memory and learning.

- that means it may have long term effects

The Impact on the Body

Chronic marijuana smokers are prey to chest colds, bronchitis, emphysema, and bronchial asthma. Persistent use will damage lungs and airways and raise the risk of cancer. There is just as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals from smoking one marijuana joint as smoking five tobacco cigarettes. And there is evidence that marijuana may limit the ability of the immune system to fight infection and disease.

- that means smoking it is bad - how do you take yours, hot knives are worse due to inhalation of metal fragments 😉

Marijuana as Medicine

Although U.S. law classifies marijuana as a Schedule I controlled substance (which means it has no acceptable medical use), a number of patients claim that smoking pot has helped them deal with pain or relieved the symptoms of glaucoma, the loss of appetite that accompanies AIDS, or nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy. There is, however, no solid evidence that smoking marijuana creates any greater benefits than approved medications (including oral THC) now used to treat these patients, relieve their suffering, or mitigate the side effects of their treatment. Anecdotal assertions of beneficial effects have yet to be confirmed by controlled scientific research.

- That means as I stated pages back it probably has a therapeutic place

Marijuana Dangers

Impaired perception
Diminished short-term memory
Loss of concentration and coordination
Impaired judgement
Increased risk of accidents
Loss of motivation
Diminished inhibitions
Increased heart rate
Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
Hallucinations
Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
Increased risk of cancer
Psychological dependency

- that means it's dangerous

🙂 glad I could help you.

No offence AC but what's your point?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Actaully AC the point is you smoke dope and you wnat to say it's completely safe it's not. You've provided nothing which does not support my assertations. Including you sourcing 😂 which was comical. You keep taking it and deny the possible risks. I admit to having somedrugs, I don't now, but I was always aware the "safe" drug does not exist.

Oh? Is that so? The point is that you've once again proven yourself to be a presumptuous nitwit, why? Because I've never smoked/done pot in my life. I'm not against trying it, infact I would because I've made myself aware of all the risks known to us right now and I've educated myself on drugs, but I've never smoked it. I don't like the act of smoking in general. I know enough, as does everyone, from pot users to non-pot users, that says pot is as close to being safe as can be, right now.

You're now also saying it's NOT completely safe. Prove it.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Never make assumptions they make an ass out of u and me.

"Actaully AC the point is you smoke dope and you wnat to say it's completely safe it's not."

What you said.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
leave you with your own "source" once again

that means its affects can vary each time you take it

Exactly! It's effects ALONE CAN vary every time you take it...achieving what? At worst, short-term reversible memory loss. Moreover, that may only occur because of personal intolerances. So again, it's NOT the pot, it's the person.

Continue...

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
that means it may have long term effects

Yeah, but tests have proven SO FAR that, no they do not.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
that means smoking it is bad - how do you take yours, hot knives are worse due to inhalation of metal fragments 😉

Again: "Never make assumptions they make an ass out of u and me." This is quite amusing.

Smoking it is bad, but still hasn't proven any major negative side-effects. Even so, it's the SMOKING act that is doing the "damage". Not the drug.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
That means as I stated pages back it probably has a therapeutic place

I stated it before you stated it too, what's the point?

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Marijuana Dangers

Impaired perception
Diminished short-term memory
Loss of concentration and coordination
Impaired judgement
Increased risk of accidents
Loss of motivation
Diminished inhibitions
Increased heart rate
Anxiety, panic attacks, and paranoia
Hallucinations
Damage to the respiratory, reproductive, and immune systems
Increased risk of cancer
Psychological dependency

that means it's dangerous

🙂 glad I could help you.

Impaired perception?: No, just altered. Which is the point, of course.

Diminished short-term memory?: Proven so far to be reversible and nothing else.

Loss of concentration and coordination?: This was covered above, not necessarily a "negative".

Impaired judgement?: See above.

Increased risk of accidents?: That's not the pot. That's being dumb enough to do dangerous things under it's influence.

Loss of motivation?: So laziness then...? Happens every day to many people, without pot. It's not the pot.

Diminished inhibitions?: This became a bad thing...when?

Increased heart rate?: So is jogging unhealthy now then?

Anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia?: All subjective experiences, not solely down to the pot.

Hallucinations?: Yes that would be the point of getting high wouldn't it? Doesn't do any damage.

Damage to those systems?: Reproductive? Good, too many people in the world as it is. Immune? Not hardly. Respiratory? If smoked. That's the smoke, not the pot.

Increased risk of cancer?: That's smoking it, not eating/drinking.

Psychological dependency?: Factually false. Pot leads to no psychological and/or physiological addiction.

Keep it coming.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Impaired perception?: No, just altered. Which is the point, of course.

Diminished short-term memory?: Proven so far to be reversible and nothing else.

Loss of concentration and coordination?: This was covered above, not necessarily a "negative".

Impaired judgement?: See above.

Increased risk of accidents?: That's not the pot. That's being dumb enough to do dangerous things under it's influence.

Loss of motivation?: So laziness then...? Happens every day to many people, without pot. It's not the pot.

Diminished inhibitions?: This became a bad thing...when?

Increased heart rate?: So is jogging unhealthy now then?

Anxiety, panic attacks and paranoia?: All subjective experiences, not solely down to the pot.

Hallucinations?: Yes that would be the point of getting high wouldn't it? Doesn't do any damage.

Damage to those systems?: Reproductive? Good, too many people in the world as it is. Immune? Not hardly. Respiratory? If smoked. That's the smoke, not the pot.

Increased risk of cancer?: That's smoking it, not eating/drinking.

Psychological dependency?: Factually false. Pot leads to no psychological and/or physiological addiction.

Keep it coming.

-AC

So now you disagree with your own sourcing no wonder you never use secondary sources, hilarious 🙂

Opinion is all you have admit it.

You have nothing.

It's so so sad 🙁 So I'd like to thank you, we're all challenged with the exception of hit and miss by your unique point of view.

Very challenged.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
So now you disagree with your own sourcing no wonder you never use secondary sources, hilarious 🙂

Opinion is all you have admit it.

You have nothing.

It's so so sad 🙁 So I'd like to thank you, we're all challenged with the exception of hit and miss by your unique point of view.

I'm not disagreeing with my own sourcing. The only reason I linked it was because you asked me to prove where studies have shown that it's temporary memory loss, not permanent. I did so, I didn't say I agreed with everything on there, did I? No, shh then.

All that post and the only thing you could say in reply is "You have nothing." and ended on another ironic reply with a smiley.

It's all getting a bit predictable.

-AC

Yeah, but tests have proven SO FAR that, no they do not.

What tests of THC and LT effects are we talking about..................?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not disagreeing with my own sourcing. The only reason I linked it was because you asked me to prove where studies have shown that it's temporary memory loss, not permanent. I did so, I didn't say I agreed with everything on there, did I? No, shh then.

All that post and the only thing you could say in reply is "You have nothing." and ended on another ironic reply with a smiley.

It's all getting a bit predictable.

-AC

I see so you pick and choose the bits of a piece of reference material you choose to agree with based on superior knowledge. 🙂 Your higher degree is in what? You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance. 😂

and no I asked for proof as to temporary effects on the brain, which your source did not provide!

Originally posted by soleran30
Yeah, but tests have proven SO FAR that, no they do not.

What tests of THC and LT effects are we talking about..................?

Oh, only the ones I've been discussing for the past however long. The ones about short-term memory loss not being permanent.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I see so you pick and choose the bits of a piece of reference material you choose to agree with based on superior knowledge. Your higher degree is in what? You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance.

Again with the smileys...insecurity flying everywhere.

Pick and choose? Why are you such an idiotic hypocrite? You asked for info/a source on the studies that said the short-term memory loss wasn't permanent, I supplied this.

You're not so much clutching at straws as you are rolling around in a haystack frantically fighting for your life.

-AC