Wow, this one really got people's blood boiling, didn't it.
My take: Which way this went would hinge on a couple of things..
Assuming a stand up fight, no "force choke from orbiting Star Destrpyer" or the like, much would depend on just how arrogant Vader is feeling. If he goes for the tk-lift-and-choke right off the bat, it's trouble for Spidey. The question then becomes, "Can that be dodged?" We don't really have a clear answer on that one. If it can, Peter's in the game. If not, gaveover. OTOH, we niether the Jedi nor the Sith seem to typically lead off with that sort of attack. In both of his fights with Luke, the TK came later. The Jedi in the prequels usually fought sabres-first too. If he leads off with trash-talk and lightsaber, Peter's in the game.
Much will also depend on what era Vader we're talking about. Lucas said, in an interview last year, that after his maiming he was considerably less powerfull than before (this being part of why he's never overthrown the Emperor in all those years). More cyborg=less alive=less connection to the force. We can chalk up the less impressive duel in Ep:IV to low budget, but V and VI suffered no such constraints. I'd think that the combination of his maiming and advancing age are what gave Luke enough of a raw-power advantage to win in-spite of his limited training. "Massacre at the Jedi Temple" Vader might match or exceed Spidey in a fight, but I certainly don't think RotJ Vader would.
Spidey on the other hand is at least as good reflexes and in-close speed as a Jedi, and is enourmously stronger. If Vader playes it smart and cautious, he'll probably win. I he tries to fight it out, and brings his best game... I'll lean slightly towards Vader. If we're talkin "Old Man in the Iron Lung" Vader, TK is his only hope. If elderly Vader tries to rumble close-in with Spidey, I think he'd be in over his head.
yes truley one of the better posts in this thread for sure....I don't really agree that less living equates to less connection to the force...hence the whole afterdeath jedi thing....ghosting?.....I have no idea what else to call it....but you know what I'm talkin about.....
anyways...i think your post is terrific because you actually used a part of the character that people hardly ever use in this forum...their personalities....soon enough though...I think you'll find that this kind of argument is pointless...not because it's not a good argument...but because of the unwillingness to accept that personalities are as much a part of the characters in question as powers are.....hence why people are claiming spiderman's gonna punch through vader or yank his head off...despite the fact that spiderman has never done any of either option to anybody besides robots.... personality wise there are definitely so much more details and possibilities to discuss....but very few people here will do that....
anyways...I'm curious when did lucas say vader was more powerful before his respirator etc was attached? I'm just curious...in any case vader lifted an entire room full of people as a joke during han solo's trial in a comic....he certainly has enough control over the force to make a quick end for spiderman...
Originally posted by jinzinHe has less midochlorians in his cells as he has less cells. But he was not as powerful as the emporer, lovely how this point gets left out, it's a comparison to the emporer, who held his own against Yoda. . .
yes truley one of the better posts in this thread for sure....I don't really agree that less living equates to less connection to the force...hence the whole afterdeath jedi thing....ghosting?.....I have no idea what else to call it....but you know what I'm talkin about.....
Originally posted by jinzinA vanity fair issue I think it was.
anyways...I'm curious when did lucas say vader was more powerful before his respirator etc was attached? I'm just curious...in any case vader lifted an entire room full of people as a joke during han solo's trial in a comic....he certainly has enough control over the force to make a quick end for spiderman...
It was a comparison to the emporer. Which people love to neglect.
And 4,5,6 used a technology for the lightsabers that had the saber props being weak, it wasn't until 1,2 & 3 that they had the computers so could use more sturdy materials and digitally paint the saber blades in.
Okay..time to start this debate up again..Spider Man has successfully beaten a dozen guys with jetpacks and laser guns...(ie the Jury..) The Jedi's have trouble with guys wearing jet packs and laser guns..(ie Bobba Fett..Jenga Fett)...please explain to me as to how "movie Vader" would be any more of a threat to SM than the foes he commonly goes up against..(Rhino, Carnage, Venom, Morlun, etc..etc..)
One more thing...the Jedi's have had trouble with a decrepit old man who shoots electric bolts out of his finger tips....Spider Man has consistantly beaten a class 10 villian who can control the electrical impulses in peoples brain..as well as send high voltage electrical bolts from his body...again..how the hell is Vader any more formidable than any of the foes Spidey commonly goes up against?
Originally posted by jinzin
yes truley one of the better posts in this thread for sure....I don't really agree that less living equates to less connection to the force...hence the whole afterdeath jedi thing....ghosting?.....I have no idea what else to call it....but you know what I'm talkin about.....anyways...i think your post is terrific because you actually used a part of the character that people hardly ever use in this forum...their personalities....soon enough though...I think you'll find that this kind of argument is pointless...not because it's not a good argument...but because of the unwillingness to accept that personalities are as much a part of the characters in question as powers are.....hence why people are claiming spiderman's gonna punch through vader or yank his head off...despite the fact that spiderman has never done any of either option to anybody besides robots.... personality wise there are definitely so much more details and possibilities to discuss....but very few people here will do that....
anyways...I'm curious when did lucas say vader was more powerful before his respirator etc was attached? I'm just curious...in any case vader lifted an entire room full of people as a joke during han solo's trial in a comic....he certainly has enough control over the force to make a quick end for spiderman...
The reason that I don't consider personalities in these type of vs battles is because they aren't solid and they are subject to change depending on circumstance unlike abilities. Doom may have a chance against Vader without prep but Vader can levitate should levitate and will levitate Spider-man regardless of whether he's feeling down or so giddy he's blasting his pants. After the levitation throw the saber and this fight is boring. 😮💨
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Okay..time to start this debate up again..Spider Man has successfully beaten a dozen guys with jetpacks and laser guns...(ie the Jury..) The Jedi's have trouble with guys wearing jet packs and laser guns..(ie Bobba Fett..Jenga Fett)...please explain to me as to how "movie Vader" would be any more of a threat to SM than the foes he commonly goes up against..(Rhino, Carnage, Venom, Morlun, etc..etc..)
😂 last time I remember....those "guys with the jetpacks didn't fair out so hot" jengo got his head wacked off in about 5 seconds, bobba got launched into a sarlacc pitt in about the same amount of time by an enexperienced jedi who was simultaniously fighting off a horde of other attackers....yet vader loses because "jedis have a hard time with guy with jetpacks"? 🙄
Originally posted by whobdamandog
One more thing...the Jedi's have had trouble with a decrepit old man who shoots electric bolts out of his finger tips....Spider Man has consistantly beaten a class 10 villian who can control the electrical impulses in peoples brain..as well as send high voltage electrical bolts from his body...again..how the hell is Vader any more formidable than any of the foes Spidey commonly goes up against?
ummmmm the force is not the same thing as electricity.... 😕
Originally posted by The MISTER
The reason that I don't consider personalities in these type of vs battles is because they aren't solid and they are subject to change depending on circumstance unlike abilities. Doom may have a chance against Vader without prep but Vader can levitate should levitate and will levitate Spider-man regardless of whether he's feeling down or so giddy he's blasting his pants. After the levitation throw the saber and this fight is boring. 😮💨
well the thing about fights is that they are as much a part of mentality as they are physically. if a character can't kill someone with a punch because they refuse to due to their feelings belief's etc..than that should really be factored in...as it's something their opponent would expliot...otherwise put "atomaton fight" at the end of the thread name because to disregard a personality trait is to disregard what makes the character who they are...
Originally posted by jinzin
well the thing about fights is that they are as much a part of mentality as they are physically. if a character can't kill someone with a punch because they refuse to due to their feelings belief's etc..than that should really be factored in...as it's something their opponent would expliot...otherwise put "atomaton fight" at the end of the thread name because to disregard a personality trait is to disregard what makes the character who they are...
I see what you're saying j but holding back in a deathmatch isn't a personality trait, it's a handicap.
Nobody would hold back in a fight where they knew that they would be erased if they lost.
The reason is because we're discussing fictional characters who do not really have personalities because they do not really have free will.
Tomorrow Spider-man can be a murderous villian and Doctor Doom can become a humanitarian because the choice isn't up to them.
When you fight you're hardest then you fight your hardest and anything that used to keep you from doing that is not a factor anymore.
If two brothers who love each other are fighting each other to the death and both of them are fighting their hardest, which one is holding back because he still loves his brother?
If one of them is holding back then both of them are not fighting their hardest. 😮💨
Originally posted by jinzin
😂 last time I remember....those "guys with the jetpacks didn't fair out so hot" jengo got his head wacked off in about 5 seconds, bobba got launched into a sarlacc pitt in about the same amount of time by an enexperienced jedi who was simultaniously fighting off a horde of other attackers....yet vader loses because "jedis have a hard time with guy with jetpacks"? 🙄
Actually, it was accidental attack via a legally blind Han Solo that sent Boba Fett into the pit. Luke had nothing to do with it. In fact, if it hadn't been for Han's accidental attack, Boba would've killed Luke.
But I'm sure all of you know this already, so I'll stop with the Star Wars history lesson.