Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Just like the US needed the UK(or at least Blair) to attain its goals in Iraq via UN condemned methods...
The UK has always been a superpower. Even before WWI the British had great power globaly and I think is still does. I will agree that thanks to the relations between both nations in the past it has help the US grow.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
I agree with you guys, but seriously there is absolutely no need to post multiple threads full of extremist propaganda. Obviously everyone has a right to an opinion, but Deano in my opinion is way over doing it.
Perhaps he is over doing it, but he might say the same thing about threads that are pro US or Bush or whatever...
Its just an opinion and he wants to state it, as long as he actually provides new links and shit like that in a new thread I really don't see the problem. He just wants to share his opinion and possibly convince you. Like many other people here want to do with different things. No point in giving these threads more attention then you think it deserves.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
70% of our nuclear deterent is US based.We haven't really been a super power since WW2, if the term superpower is defined by nuke power superiority...
(Which is a definition that a lot of people seem to use here...)
Nukes just help, but nukes don't make you a superpower it makes you a world power a superpower is a country that has the economy the political situation and the military power to make big differences in the world. Currently the US is the only one, but China is heavily on the rise
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
70% of our nuclear deterent is US based.We haven't really been a super power since WW2, if the term superpower is defined by nuke power superiority...
(Which is a definition that a lot of people seem to use here...)
I beg to differ... in the case of WWII. The war was costly to the British because they got more bombs drop on them by the Nazi's. I'm not sure about the commonwealth but it held steadily during those times. And Britain did recover faster than any other European nation after WWII.
Originally posted by WindDancer
I beg to differ... in the case of WWII. The war was costly to the British because they got more bombs drop on them by the Nazi's. I'm not sure about the commonwealth but it held steadily during those times. And Britain did recover faster than any other European nation after WWII.
Britain really isn't a superpower anymore, like most European nations it lost its colonies shortly after World War II a heavy price to pay for most of the nations there... Something that hurt them badly, but something that was bound to happen. World War II was the end of England as a superpower
Originally posted by WindDancer
I beg to differ... in the case of WWII. The war was costly to the British because they got more bombs drop on them by the Nazi's. I'm not sure about the commonwealth but it held steadily during those times. And Britain did recover faster than any other European nation after WWII.
I agree about the recovery rate of our economical situation..
But our amounts of nukes never rivaled the Soviet Union or the U.S....
...And as I say, so much of our defences are intertwined in the UK with America, that really was my only point there, relating to independence,
That if we ever opposed the US goverment, the threat of withdrawal of said defense would be incomprehendable..
It'd do us the same damage as prosecuting the Saudis would've done for you guys...
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
obviously what we do affects other countries... but there is no reason to force his opinion down everyone's throat. There is no reason to have multiple threads pretty much saying the same thing over and over again. Simply stating your opinion is enough, there is no need to attack everyone who doesnt share it. Because I am seriously getting irritated with all this extremist propaganda all over the place.
im irritating you? thats good
Originally posted by WindDancer
I beg to differ... in the case of WWII. The war was costly to the British because they got more bombs drop on them by the Nazi's. I'm not sure about the commonwealth but it held steadily during those times. And Britain did recover faster than any other European nation after WWII.
and I beg to differ with this. 🙂
In the aftermat of WWII it became very clear that europe in general (also including the UK) had lost its position as the leading Hegemony in the world. That role was split between the USSR and the US.
True the british recovered faster than any other european nation, Which was quite a lil miracle in itself. But it didn't help them keep their commonwealth together for very long, it went downhill after WWII at very fast pace.
No the UK's role as world dominating country was over after WWII.
Probably because WWI had already hit all over europe very hard and left america untouched. There was indeed the great depression to even things out a bit but just when europe was coming out of that WWII began and then half the continent got shot to shit.