Originally posted by Piedmon
Wolverine's experience vs. Spidey's speed is sort of like this:Imagine you were playing chess against Gary Kasparov, except that you got two moves to his every one. It's a big advantage for you, but Kasparov still has experience, intuition and more acclimation in the game of chess.
I'd say Wolverine's experience and martial arts mastery gives him an edge over Spidey in hand to hand. Sure, Spidey's stronger, but unlike Spidey's fists, Wolverine's claws only take one hit to end a fight.
good post again peidmon- it a great chance that wolverine will slice spiderman up, since kraven and kingpin does tag spidey on a regular basis. even old man vulture get plenty of lick off of him. tombstone hits him, hammerhead hits him, venom beats the crap out of him, and wolverine and venom always ends in a stalemate. Absorbing man hits him, morlun beat the crap out of him, he dont even have any speed. Do you get my point, spidey has speed but its not superspeed, wolverine has speed of his own. You all are to much of a spidey fan to realize the truth.
Originally posted by derrick24
if spidey is so superior than wolverine, why didnt apocalypse try to take spidey instead of wolverine as death.
Apocalypse obviously wasn't looking for the most powerful person... unless you consider Wolverine to be the most powerful being on earth
Originally posted by derrick24
If spidey is so powerful, why wasnt he chosen by shield to bring down the gorgon.
why wasn't Sentry? or Iron Man? or Namor?..... because shield wanted someone with training.... again not power related.... you really need to use better examples
Originally posted by derrick24
If spidey is so powerful, during the time thanos got the ig, why did doctor strange choose wolverine and hulk to kill thanos, instead of the almighty spidey.
because of his willingness to cross moral lines.... it says so right there in the story...... again... use better examples
Originally posted by derrick24
if spidey is so superior than wolverine why did he get a set of claws in his chest in marvel knight #13, let me guess bad writing.
yes.... but in this forum it's referred to as SvFL
"No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded"
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html
Wolverine ripping Spider-Man's webbing before stabbing him is very much a case of SvFL...... unless he's recently been upgraded to above class 30
Originally posted by derrick24
Do you think that the s6 could handle a 1000 hand ninjas, no they cant.
Originally posted by derrick24
if spidey is so superior than wolverine, why didnt apocalypse try to take spidey instead of wolverine as death.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Electro could kill them all. Sandman could slowly kill them. Not sure what the rest can do. Don't know how the hand handle illusions or what vulture is going to do. I do think Kraven could take them. Not necessarily in hand to hand but by making them hunt him down only to get whittled down by various traps and ambushes.Because Wolverine is so much easier to catch.
bad way to put it "because he is so easy to catch" doc ock beat the crap out of spiderman and unmasked him- is doc ock more powerful than apocalypse-no.
Apocalypse didnt choose spidey because he isnt worth his time, what kind of threat would spidey cause. Its easy to make another spiderman but is it easy to create the ultimate killing machine, no.
if apocalypse wasnt looking for worthy horsemans, why did he get the hulk, for the same reason he got wolverine because of his powers.
Do you think he would send a weakling to take on the entire xmen, no, do you think he would send a weekling to kill the hulk for going against him, no.
Nobody has ever tried to waste there time making spiderman a enemy to all hero's on earth- like enemy of the state. on the list that gorgon made- killing all of earth greatest hero's and turning them into slaves- it had every hero on the list but spiderman, wolverine was on the top of the list.
Spiderman is good but i see him as a human who has agility and strength, if he were to get shot in a critical area, hes dead, if he was to get punched hard enough in the head, he is dead, if something large falls on him he is dead.
Lets put it like this, in the books of new avengers #5 or 6, a guy wrote to the writer saying not to make spiderman look weak against the new avengers- the writer simply stated that compared to the other hero's, he is the weakest on the team, besides spiderwomen. He said if he had a choice to fight any of the new avengers, spiderman or spiderwomen would be his first choice. Now when a writer says your weak that is sad. If anybody has the new avengers book, where they had to fight sauron and his crew, please read the last pages.Spidey the weakest 😆
wow doc ock beat spidey??? really!!!
oh well im sure it has nothing to do with the virus attack and fever petey was enduring 🙄
spider-man is stronger, faster, more durable (yes more durable), and first of all apocolypse is hardly a judge of characters when he himselff is a fictional character. he shouldnt be a decidingg factor in a sinister 6 fight. yes jinjiz, that is a good point. spidey isn't deadly at all for he doesnt kill (often) while wolverine does, making him more deadly.
MARVEL KNIGHTS 13!!!
Originally posted by derrick24
bad way to put it "because he is so easy to catch" doc ock beat the crap out of spiderman and unmasked him- is doc ock more powerful than apocalypse-no.
Its easy to make another spiderman but is it easy to create the ultimate killing machine, no.
if apocalypse wasnt looking for worthy horsemans, why did he get the hulk, for the same reason he got wolverine because of his powers.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I would also like to restate that Wolverine can't do jack to Electro.
spidey cant do nothing to electro either. I could have sworn in a book that i read yesterday, spiderman busted a pole making water spray on electro. Sounds like a easy win to me. The sad thing about this is, spiderman didnt even have his powers. Electro is extremely powerful huh. a non powered spidey, now thats funny. 😆
Originally posted by derrick24
spidey cant do nothing to electro either. I could have sworn in a book that i read yesterday, spiderman busted a pole making water spray on electro. Sounds like a easy win to me. The sad thing about this is, spiderman didnt even have his powers. Electro is extremely powerful huh. a non powered spidey, now thats funny. 😆
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Doesn't really matter does it. Juggernaut is more powerful than Apocalypse for the most part but he can't do much to the wallcrawler.
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You can't be serious. It's obviously not as hard as it seems since they did recreate "the ultimate killing machine" as an underaged whore.
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Hulk is also easy to catch.
Swanky youre hilarious- spidey is hard to catch. 😆
i could have sworn that morlun was catching spiderman with a fresh beat down to the face. 😮
I could have sworn that venom has beaten the breaks out of spiderman and unmasked him. So spiderman is the flash now, a powerful being like apocalypse would get owned by spiderman, you dont know comics. If apocalypse wants parker, he can get him. what is so hard about catching a guy who almost got knocked out by kingpin. The fact of the mater is apocalypse dont want spiderman, gorgon dont want spiderman, magneto dont want spiderman, Mr x didnt see spiderman as a challenge so he came for wolverine, hearing that wolverine is the best there is.
Instead of wolverine, a better fight for spiderman would be kraven, no not kraven, king pin, no not king pin, tombstone, no not tombstone, a 80 yr old man in a vulture suit. 😆
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I would also like to restate that Wolverine can't do jack to Electro.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
spidey made special non-conducting webbing when he fought electro and a special non-conducting suit. it was pretty sweet
I wish he had that same suit on when morlun was beating the crap out of him. I really wish he had that same suit on when venom almost killed him, sparring his life. I wish he had that same suit on when daredevil was slapping him around. No lets use x-23, when she had her claws at his neck- could have killed him but she didnt. No lets not forget this one, I hope he had that same suit when electra was toying with him, ending with her having her sies at his neck. I almost forgot, why didnt he have that suit when black tarantula was beating the crap out of him or when hulk grabbed his head and was crushing it slowly until outside interference stopped him, ending with hulk leaping away.
Or when sabertooth grabbed him by the neck during spiderman and punisher team up, with his claws in the air but he ended up just throwing spiderman into punisher and making the roof collide on them. I can keep going on and on about the powerful suit. 😉
Wolverine trying to fight Electro
Not only can he hold wolverine in place by the metal on his skeleton as seen in my comic but he can fry his neurons.
As you can see, if a non-conductive suit is all that stands between victory and getting assraped because of your metal bones it seems to have all the power in the world.
Oh, and Rush does rule.
For my father and my brother, it’s too late
But I must help my mother stand up straight
Originally posted by derrick24
I wish he had that same suit on when morlun was beating the crap out of him. I really wish he had that same suit on when venom almost killed him, sparring his life. I wish he had that same suit on when daredevil was slapping him around. No lets use x-23, when she had her claws at his neck- could have killed him but she didnt. No lets not forget this one, I hope he had that same suit when electra was toying with him, ending with her having her sies at his neck. I almost forgot, why didnt he have that suit when black tarantula was beating the crap out of him or when hulk grabbed his head and was crushing it slowly until outside interference stopped him, ending with hulk leaping away.
Or when sabertooth grabbed him by the neck during spiderman and punisher team up, with his claws in the air but he ended up just throwing spiderman into punisher and making the roof collide on them. I can keep going on and on about the powerful suit. 😉
what the hell are you talking about?
non-conducting just means that he wont get shocked if electro tried to electricute him. non-conducting=doesnt conduct electricity
and how does spider-man's defeats have anything to do with logan getting fried by thousands of volts?
swanky tuna, i love the picture but i dont think that it would be that easy. I have seen wolverine burnt to a crisp and was still fighting. I dont think that one shock would stop him but i do think that electro is capable of getting a win. I think that if a non powered spiderman could take the 6, wolverine would do it really fast. They are not an organized team, they are very sloppy. If wolverine some how gets them in a room where there isnt any lights, all of them are dead but sandman but wolverine dont run, he stands there and fight, and that could be his down fall. But back to the argument with spiderman, wolverine can own spiderman any day of the week, and he has owned spiderman numerous of times. wolverine is on a different level than spideman.
