Bardock42,
I was referring to your one sentence post: "Hahah....god this is so pathetic BIce." Not your earlier reply. Anyway, I apologize for the confusion. The last few replies were posted back to back rather rapidly.
OK, now I have cleared up some confusions and apologized to the deserved person I will exit now ...to avoid a flame war.
BTW, just to clear one thing up, I didn't intend to stir up anything even I said in the 1st post "Sorry, guys! I know I am gonna stir a nerve or two." I said that only b/c I know that my opion is not popular and that I have anticipated some heated discussions (not personal attacks.)
It seems to me that you're not to fond of QT fans. Take a look at another thread you posted with your own comments:
Originally posted by Black Ice
But what bother me is the fact that some people worship him like he is the Cinema God; that he is such a Genius; that he is Original. Oh, give me a break.
So what if his fans admire his work? You have heard of Lucas and Spielberg right?
And it seems fitting to move this discussion to the Tarantino forum...so moving.
Originally posted by Black Ice
Bardock42,I was referring to your one sentence post: "Hahah....god this is so pathetic BIce." Not your earlier reply. Anyway, I apologize for the confusion. The last few replies were posted back to back rather rapidly.
OK, now I have cleared up some confusions and apologized to the deserved person I will exit now ...to avoid a flame war.
BTW, just to clear one thing up, I didn't intend to stir up anything even I said in the 1st post "Sorry, guys! I know I am gonna stir a nerve or two." I said that only b/c I know that my opion is not popular and that I have anticipated some heated discussions (not personal attacks.)
I still didn't call you pathetic but what you posted in your last post
And what "stirred up" people was not your arguement but basically that you called most americans racist.....
OK, I am back. I claimed down now But still I will not respond to anyone who call me name.
Bardock42,
Apologize again. As I said the last sevral replies have been posted rather rapidly and I admitted that I did get confused. My bad. BTW, if I gave the impression that I think ALL american are racists, then I don't think I have made myself clear. So, NO, it's not my opinion that all American are racists. But racism do exist in OUR (yes, I am an American too, all red, white and blue) culture and I see it in this QT phenomenon. Just to be clear I DON"T think every one who love QT and his movies are racists but there are a certain amount of this elemnet in the whole QT phenomenon.
Need to go to work now. Will continue tonight.
Hmm well I think the QT phenomen is that he made 3 good movies and 2 decent ones and he has a large fanbase...I don't think it is because of his whiteness.....I agree that his Kill Bill movies are not the best and that there were similiar Asian Films but I wouldn'T say that Hero or Tiger & Dragon are comparable (they are way better)
Actually, I have no problem with QT fans. I am just trying to figure out why QT has got this god like status among a lot of his fans. Why some of his fans even defend QT's shameful and blatant rip-offs of other movies. Do race has a part in it. Yes and no. No, on the individual level, I don't think so . I mean I don't think any of his fans like him b/c he is white. But, yes, I do think so on the social and cultural level, the collect subconsciousness, so to speak.
True, Armstrong is one of the Jazz giants but Sinatra achieved way more future and fame. Kenny G (why is he even in a million year be considered as a Jazz musician I don't know) does way better in fame and fortune than Lester Bowie or perhaps even Miles Davis. The list go on and on and it is not just in the fields of music and films. There is gotta be a reason why so many lesser artists, writers, scientist, etc. who are whites some how can achieve more than their more talented non-whites counterpart.
Originally posted by Black IceTrue, Armstrong is one of the Jazz giants but Sinatra achieved way more future and fame. Kenny G (why is he even in a million year be considered as a Jazz musician I don't know) does way better in fame and fortune than Lester Bowie or perhaps even Miles Davis. The list go on and on and it is not just in the fields of music and films. There is gotta be a reason why so many lesser artists, writers, scientist, etc. who are whites some how can achieve more than their more talented non-whites counterpart.
Big difference. Sinatra was big boom entertainer/singer. Armstrong was a pioneer, and he actually played an instrument, not infront of them. To answer your question, I think it comes down to one thing.
Timing.
Scenario #3:
Jazz. Black music, no good.
Solution:
White people started playing Jazz and they make the most money and receive the most celebrity.
Hmm....is it just me or is Louis Armstrong arguably one of the most famed Jazz musicians in that genre of music?
Sorry, that last theory doesn't quite hold up with me.
Seriously, it's 2005...aren't we done pulling the race card yet?
Of course Armstrong is one of the greatest. However, my point was to compare him w/ , in my opinion, lesser talents who manage to almost always achieve more in terms of $$ and celebrity.
Originally posted by periera
Seriously, it's 2005...aren't we done pulling the race card yet?
I wish it's the case. No shit, it's 2005. But sad enough, racism is still alive and well. I don't think raising the awareness of racism (which one may agree or disagree) is playing "the race card" which has such -ve connotation.
Sadly, yes, racism is alive and well, and it thrives much on statements like yours made in your opening post. Am I calling you racist? Hell no, I don't even know you. However, you made a mass generalization that people wouldn't like Kill Bill had it been an all Asian cast with an Asian director. While I do agree that part of it's attractiveness was it uniqueness I couldn't care less what the race of the director was.
Sorry if I offended you with my "pulling the race card" statement, it wasn't my intention. Trust me, there are few things that infuriate me more than intolerance. But come on, "The Great White Hope"? Don't you see how that could be just a tiny bit insulting?
And pardon what may or may not be perceived by you as unintelligence on my part, but if you wouldn't mind explaining what "-ve connotation" is I'd appreciate it.
Not offended at all. I have my opinion and you have yours. I see thing that most of you don't see. May be I am wrong. May be you're wrong. This is certainly not uniquely my opinion. I have seen other people having the same opinion as mine. Is my first post overly generalized? Well, in retrospect, may be it is. But I still maintain that the spirit of it is not as negative as some of you may perceive.
"-ve connotation" = "negative connotation" "-ve" is shorthand for negative. It's used mostly in the science field. My bad. Force of habit.