Battle of the Next-Generation Consoles

Originally posted by MadMel
the fact is that the ps3 ISN'T and most likely never will be the best selling console of all time, which is what you were trying to claim in the first place..

BTW Gameboy isn't really a console per say. It's under the 'portables' category.
When we speak of consoles, we speak of the ones we plug on a TV and use controllers to play games.

Besides, 'portables' are not part of the debate in this thread.

That's just a horrible and dishonest way to debate, MdMel.

As I said before, the X-Box and Wii have enough going for themselves, the personal attacks, misconstructed arguments and flat out wrong information should not enter a debate. I understand it gets frustrating to argue with someone that you think blindly accepts one side and disregards all arguments. But, you have to be careful not to turn into that yourself just on the other side.

Originally posted by MadMel
while it is indeed true the the ps2 went past the GB (not very long ago, however), for the best part of a decade, the GB had high sales 😬

Yes, the GB had high sales. It was also out 11 years longer than the PS2, that the PS2 outdid in 8 years what the GameBoy (actually, as far as I can tell all GameBoy, GameBoy Pocket and GameBoy Color) did in 19 is remarkable.

Originally posted by MadMel
congrats, i gave you the opportunity to do some research and you actually did....quite an amazing feat for someone who constantly claims to be always right..

Silly. Why even attack him like that? Everyone can see that the correct approach would have been not to taunt or insult him, but admit that you made a mistake.

Originally posted by MadMel
however, the claims we made weren't false

No, they were false.

Originally posted by MadMel
just very recently overwritten

Also incorrect. "The PS2 is the best-selling console to date,[6][7] having reached over 140 million units in sales by mid-2008". Yes, it has over 20 million more since mid-2008. It has been the front runner for months, maybe (a) year(s). If your point is that it just recently came out, also, the informaton on Wikipedia is 4 months old. It's really not like it happened yesterday.

Originally posted by MadMel
..if you couldn't figure that out by looking at the chart, it says nothing good about your intelligence, your maturity and your constantly recurring superiority complex...

That is silly and ironic. You obviously feel vastyl superior to him. You can't even admit one little researching mistake. Instead you have to plaster him with insults and constant ad hominem arguments. Be fair.

Originally posted by MadMel
in any case its quite irrelevant..the fact is that the ps3 ISN'T and most likely never will be the best selling console of all time, which is what you were trying to claim in the first place..

It is irrelevent. And that should have been the focus of your arguments. The PS3 is not comparable to the PS2. The PS3 will not have the same meteoric rise. Instead you tried to make the only correct pont of his argument appear incorrect. I mean, really, so what if the PS2 is (or isn't) the best selling machine. It doesn't mean the PS3 will be. Especially since their situations are not even remotely similar.

On the other hand, he didn't claim that the PS3 will be the best selling console of all time, he said that because he thinks the set up is similar (which it is in no way, but name) it will also become as well selling as did it's predecessor.

Bardock, you would do well as a mod in any forum.
I appreciate your open-minded and unbiased response.

You are right, that the PS3 might never have the same magnitude as the PS2.
But let us give it some time.
It took years for the PS2 to become the best-selling console of all time, outselling the Gameboy (sumtotal of all variants) in less years than the Gameboys achieved that mark.
Who's to say the same might or might not happen to the PS3?

Like the console wars between the PS3 and 360,
the PS2 also had competition when the original Xbox arrived in the scene. It was only then did Sony release much better game titles than the previous years.

There is a much complicated dilemma however in the PS3 scene these days.
Long-time third-party exclusive Final Fantasy series are going multi-platform. That is one huge kick in the 'nads for PS3. That will definitely affect the sales of the PS3, since the FF series and other Square Enix RPGs contributed to the popular demand of the PS2 and PS1.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's just a horrible and dishonest way to debate, MadMel.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As I said before, the X-Box and Wii have enough going for themselves, the personal attacks, misconstructed arguments and flat out wrong information should not enter a debate. I understand it gets frustrating to argue with someone that you think blindly accepts one side and disregards all arguments. But, you have to be careful not to turn into that yourself just on the other side.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, the GB had high sales. It was also out 11 years longer than the PS2, that the PS2 outdid in 8 years what the GameBoy (actually, as far as I can tell all GameBoy, GameBoy Pocket and GameBoy Color) did in 19 is remarkable.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Silly. Why even attack him like that? Everyone can see that the correct approach would have been not to taunt or insult him, but admit that you made a mistake.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, they were false.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Also incorrect. "The PS2 is the best-selling console to date,[6][7] having reached over 140 million units in sales by mid-2008". Yes, it has over 20 million more since mid-2008. It has been the front runner for months, maybe (a) year(s). If your point is that it just recently came out, also, the information on Wikipedia is 4 months old. It's really not like it happened yesterday.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is silly and ironic. You obviously feel vastyl superior to him. You can't even admit one little researching mistake. Instead you have to plaster him with insults and constant ad hominem arguments. Be fair.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It is irrelevant. And that should have been the focus of your arguments. The PS3 is not comparable to the PS2. The PS3 will not have the same meteoric rise. Instead you tried to make the only correct point of his argument appear incorrect. I mean, really, so what if the PS2 is (or isn't) the best selling machine. It doesn't mean the PS3 will be. Especially since their situations are not even remotely similar.

Originally posted by Bardock42
On the other hand, he didn't claim that the PS3 will be the best selling console of all time, he said that because he thinks the set up is similar (which it is in no way, but name) it will also become as well selling as did it's predecessor.

Originally posted by MadMel
i did nothing that was out of conduct, especially in comparison to everything that happens here..

"But he did it" is not really a good argument. Maybe he does misbehave, but that doesn't make it right that you do too.

Originally posted by MadMel
hardly misconstructed, and i wasnt aware that the ps2 outdid the gameboy until until i checked the wiki page myself, and i conceded the point afterward..

You argued with him on whether the PS2 or Game Boy sold more and on his (correct) usage of the word fallacy, as well as claiming that he said the PS3 will become the best selling console ever (which, as far as I can tell, he didn't), rather than the issue at hand.

Originally posted by MadMel
i already conceded this point and proved it was irrelevant in the first place..

My reply was to you saying that the GB had high sales for a long time, since it makes the PS2's achievement even more admirable.

Originally posted by MadMel

considering he has lied, used hyperbole and bashed mods, whereas i actually conceded, this point is moot..

No. You do actually attack him. Again, him doing it too does not make you right in doing it.

Originally posted by MadMel
but neither gk nor myself realized that it was false..occultdestroyer, on the other hand, was deliberately spouting bullshit and blowing the ps3's specs out of proportion to get his point across..

I am just saying it was false. Whether you realized it at the time has no bearing on the fact of its falsehood. The claims were false, that's really it. And, I agree, I think occultdestroyer is incorrect with many of his claims, but they get pointed out as well, don't they?

Originally posted by MadMel
your definition of "recent" seems to be much narrower than mine 😬

I guess. 4+ months, is a long time to me. Especially when checking it takes one click.

Originally posted by MadMel
1. wrong, i treated him as an equal and criticized him just as he criticized not only myself but also GK, lana and ush..
2. wrong, i did admit it..
3. i was being as fair to him as he was to me 😬

That's not how it appears. And again, him doing something wrong doesn't make you doing it right.

Originally posted by MadMel
i said it was irrelevant to the argument he was trying to make, and the only reason he made a big deal out of the game boy thing was because he was deliberately making myself and GK look like we were lying so that he can gain some sort of advantage, which failed because as i pointed out, neither of us knew that the ps2 has surpassed the game boy in sales..

That's not how I felt it was.

Originally posted by MadMel
he also claimed that because the ps3 is superior to the 360 and wii in every possible way, it will be the best selling console of all time 😬

I do think he's a blatant PS3 fanboy, I never saw him do the last though. Either way, my point is just try to treat him with respect, even if he doesn't return the favour. As you said yourself, he gained NO advantage by you being incorrect about that fact, and the whole comparison was flawed.

^
Very well said.
I am indeed a fan of Sony's Playstation series (especially the original PlayStation), since I had memorable moments with most PS games, especially the RPGs.
It changed my perspective of gaming.
Never had a thought that the Playstation could combine the elements of both graphics and gameplay and excel in both aspects.
It was simply revolutionary.

Originally posted by Bardock42
"But he did it" is not really a good argument. Maybe he does misbehave, but that doesn't make it right that you do too.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You argued with him on whether the PS2 or Game Boy sold more and on his (correct) usage of the word fallacy, as well as claiming that he said the PS3 will become the best selling console ever (which, as far as I can tell, he didn't), rather than the issue at hand.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]That's not how it appears. And again, him doing something wrong doesn't make you doing it right..

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's not how I felt it was.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do think he's a blatant PS3 fanboy, I never saw him do the last though. Either way, my point is just try to treat him with respect, even if he doesn't return the favour. As you said yourself, he gained NO advantage by you being incorrect about that fact, and the whole comparison was flawed.

imo, those who do not give respect deserve no respect in return..however, a lack of respect does not = bashing..

Originally posted by MadMel
where did you get "but he did it" out of "i did nothing out of conduct"??

i did no such thing..he asked me where i got my info from, i said the internet, and he proved me wrong..no argument..and it may have been a fallacy, but only because neither gk nor myself where aware of the change in sales stats..

a conclusion that i managed to come to myself, hence why i conceded..

i dont know how you managed to draw that conclusion..pointing out obvious flaws is not bashing..the methodology behind it maybe 😬

that doesnt give him the right to call us out as liers, nor try and bash us because he thought we were trying to bulshit him as much as he was bulshitting us 😬

especially when i never usually keep up to date with the statistics, which i only do for situations like this, and even then only rarely, because people like gk and lana are almost always right when it comes to this anyways..i can trust their judgement, and if one of them happens to say that the sales stats for the ps2 and gameboy hasnt changed since last i checked, ill be inclined to believe them over a spouting fanboy..i gladly admitted that this situation was an exception to the rule, however..

i never called him out as a lier, bashed him nor used someones status as a mod against them in an attempt to bash them, like you said, ive only ever refused to give him the respect he doesnt deserve in the first place..that isnt bashing..

not specifically this thread..you can check the current console discussion thread as well..

you're right...he claimed that the ps3 would win the console war due to its superiority over the 360 and wii..to do that it would have to beat the wii in sales..he then said that due to the similar nature of the ps2 and ps3 (lol wut?) the ps3 can somehow rise up and get top sales..

imo, those who do not give respect deserve no respect in return..however, a lack of respect does not = bashing..

i have no idea where you getting "unfair tactics" from, but ill agree to stop arguing, since the point i was trying to make has already been posted 😬

This is what I am talking about

Insulting or saying something derogatory to him, or hinting at him.

Originally posted by MadMel

congrats, i gave you the opportunity to do some research and you actually did....quite an amazing feat for someone who constantly claims to be always right.

Originally posted by MadMel
..if you couldn't figure that out by looking at the chart, it says nothing good about your intelligence, your maturity and your constantly recurring superiority complex...

Originally posted by MadMel
especially in comparison to everything that happens here..

Originally posted by MadMel

considering he has lied, used hyperbole and bashed mods, whereas i actually conceded, this point is moot..

Originally posted by MadMel
..occultdestroyer, on the other hand, was deliberately spouting bullshit and blowing the ps3's specs out of proportion to get his point across..

Originally posted by MadMel
ill be inclined to believe them over a spouting fanboy

Claiming things he didn't say or do.

Originally posted by MadMel
ps3 ISN'T and most likely never will be the best selling console of all time, which is what you were trying to claim in the first place..

Originally posted by MadMel
the only reason he made a big deal out of the game boy thing was because he was deliberately making myself and GK look like we were lying so that he can gain some sort of advantage, which failed because as i pointed out, neither of us knew that the ps2 has surpassed the game boy in sales..

Originally posted by MadMel
he also claimed that because the ps3 is superior to the 360 and wii in every possible way, it will be the best selling console of all time 😬

Both

Originally posted by MadMel
i never called him out as a lier, bashed him nor used someones status as a mod against them in an attempt to bash them

Originally posted by MadMel
that doesnt give him the right to call us out as liers, nor try and bash us because he thought we were trying to bulshit him as much as he was bulshitting us 😬

In the three post to me alone you insulted and belittled occultdestroyer constantly, as well as claiming things he never said to make him look more biased and stupid. That's what I was talking about. I am sure you are frustrated with him preferring the PS3, and I might believe you when you say he is just as bad, but do you need to be "bad" as well to counter that?

Bardock, please, drop it, you're off-topic and a simple disagreement here has been blown wholly out of proportion.

Ok, sorry.

The Red Ring of Death is really starting to piss me off now. Microsoft, what the heck? 😠

With that red ring how long does it take for that to appear ?

Got my 360 this month 2 weeks back.

That's why ps3 rocks 😕

Originally posted by Kazenji
With that red ring how long does it take for that to appear ?

Got my 360 this month 2 weeks back.

Pretty much. You might get it, you might not.

I had my 360 for over a year before it RRoDed on me, and mine was a used one that had a serial number from March 2006, so it was nearly 3 years old when it starting giving problems. On the flip side, my best friend's 360 gave her the RRoD less than a week after she got it (she's had her current one nearly a year with no problems).

Basically - there's no saying.

My brothers 360 was scratching game disks out of the box, before he returned it. Sucks since I didn’t get a chance to finish Gears of War 1. What pisses me and my bro off…was that M$ didn’t have any warranty plan for games the system messed up.

All 360s will do that. That's why you don't touch the thing when it's turned on and there's a disc inside.

Im on my 4th 360. My previous 3 crapped out on me by failing to read discs. None of them suffered the RROD. They just decided to stop reading discs. Now on my fourth 360, the SAME thing is beginning to happen again. I've only had this bastard for four months and it has become picky towards what games it will read. The discs are immaculate, yet, the 360 won't read them. FUK microsoft. When this dies i will never purchase another piece of microsoft property ever again.