Oh, so you're still clinging to a win in the Champions League, against a Milan notorious for throwing leads away?
Shame. Because I believe Liverpool finished 5th in the league that year, and where are they now? So if there's no luck, then it's just true that Liverpool are shit.
Dense? I never labelled Liverpool as a league winner.
-AC
Originally posted by Bicnarok
It means if you work hard enough, and concentrate you win, even if your 3:0 down in the champions league final.And AC stop calling peoples remarks "stupid", its rather contradictory seeing as your the densest person on here.
ok, so what exactly did man utd do in the Tottenham game to deserve luck? they were awful, they hacked for the entire game, created very little and had the benefit of some very dubious decisions... Evra's handball, the fact Hargreaves wasn't sent off...
If anything, Tottenham did enough to earn that little bit of luck.
I just don't get it.
"Luck doesn't exist, you have to earn it.". It either exists or it doesn't, you know what I mean?
I don't believe there is such a thing as luck, just more fortuitous circumstances than others, and bad decisions. Tottenham beating Arsenal 5-1 was not luck, they simply outplayed Arsenal. By that same card, Arsenal did have a team out that made that outcome more possible for Tottenham, but it wasn't luck.
Liverpool won the Champions League from 3-0 down, yeah, good work. Let's also not forget, though, that Milan were notorious for throwing leads away, and Liverpool scrapped back to actually win on penalties.
Either luck exists or it doesn't.
-AC
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I'd say 22.I agree with Adebayor and Flamini, and my youth player would be Ashley Young. Really did well this year.
Maybe Young or Agbonlahor, and Clichy can't be counted out. Fabregas if he regains his early form. Ronaldo. Richards.
On the luck point- Spurs' victory wasn't lucky, but there was fortune in it; namely the own goal. That's what caused the continual counter attacks.
Df- notice how Spurs defended properly, and should have won? Man United are used to roll-over wins.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
, and should have won? Man United are used to roll-over wins.
Sorry, it's still weird to see people praising Tottenhams defending... it'll take some getting used to.
Ramos seems to be a brilliant defensive coach, hopefully some other managers notice how well we shut them out and apply the same tactics. Woodgate is looking to be worth every (7x10^8) penny so far. Ramos has effectively said that King will never play regularly again, absolutely gutted though, I firmly beleive a 100% fit King is one of the best centrebacks in England.
Originally posted by Df02
Sorry, it's still weird to see people praising Tottenhams defending... it'll take some getting used to.Ramos seems to be a brilliant defensive coach, hopefully some other managers notice how well we shut them out and apply the same tactics. Woodgate is looking to be worth every (7x10^8) penny so far. Ramos has effectively said that King will never play regularly again, absolutely gutted though, I firmly beleive a 100% fit King is one of the best centrebacks in England.
I think the elite group is the Man Utd and Arsenal pairing, plus Carvalho.
Then very close behind you've got Laursen, King, Lescott, Terry, Man City's pair, and Woodgate when on form. Distin too, maybe. Loathe to name Carragher. I guess he can be, but he has (bin)dipped like hell lately.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I think the elite group is the Man Utd and Arsenal pairing, plus Carvalho.Then very close behind you've got Laursen, King, Lescott, Terry, Man City's pair, and Woodgate when on form. Distin too, maybe. Loathe to name Carragher. I guess he can be, but he has (bin)dipped like hell lately.
Toure is one of the best in the premiership, but I would take King ahead of Gallas personally. Arsenal's first choice centrebacks are tough to beat as a team though.
Ferdinand and Vidic, they're both great, but I wouldnt necessarilly put both of them in the top 5, but as a pair theyre probably the 2nd best in the premiership (if that makes sense). I still rate Terry even though he hasnt shown his best form for a while, injury hasnt helped.
My top 5 centrebacks in the EPL would go like this (bear in mind its 5am);
- Carvalho
- Toure
- King
- Carragher
- Terry
England is very strong in the centreback position, Woodgate, Ferdinand, King, Terry, Richards, Carragher etc, all solid, I dont think many (if any) country can boast that strength in depth for the centreback position.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
What's everyone's current (partly form-based) Prem XI?
------------------Friedel-------------------
Mellberg----Laursen-Woodgate---Clichy
-------Ronaldo-Flamini-Petrov-----------
------Torres----Adebayor----Keane-----
That'd be form based... and assuming Woodgate carries his form from the last two games into the next few.