Football (Soccer)

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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Senderos is not a shit defender, he's an unreliable one. He has moments of brilliance and moments of match-costing idiocy.

How long has Park had to work at his ability so he reaches the level of "a little bit" worse than Rosicky (Giving him a lot of credit)? Ages. That's my point. He's simply not good enough to get the games he'd need to improve either.

I disagree that Fletcher is good, and Anderson is clearly much better than Carrick, who is a £18 million waste. That is simply not acceptable for the kind of player you can get for less, like Anderson. Then you have to factor in, what potential have they got to get better? Anderson? Lots, I think. Carrick? Not much, he's not going to get much better. Neither is Park, neither is Pique. Hargreaves might.

How many of those last four have made a mockery of some of the world's best defenders at barely legal age? Sergio Ramos might as well not have been there when Osasuna played Real Madrid, Gibbs is tough midfielder for a kid, and he really is a kid. He stops people in their tracks, men.

Bendtner plays how Arsenal like to play, and with development he'll be brilliant if he doesn't leave. My argument was based around who has a more promising squad, a more effective squad. The answer is Arsenal.

Yes, but my point is; Man Utd with a few players missing isn't as devestating as it is for Arsenal. Whilst Arsenal have the more promising squad, they only work in certain combinations. Man Utd's benchwarmers are former first-teamers who can come on and fit right in. Arsenal can only do that with a few of the more experienced bench players. You couldn't really bring on Gibbs, but you could bring on Silvestre.

Man Utd do not play adventurously enough, or skillfully enough, that one WRONG change could throw it all out of whack. If Fergie plays Carrick, not Anderson, you're not going to start spazzing on the floor and get whooped. Why? Cos Man Utd play simple, unadventurous football, and they players are the same when playing for them. So the bench players, who aren't ex-first teamers, come on and fit in. So you could argue they're more safe, not necessarily better.

If Wenger takes a gamble and makes a mistake, Arsenal play far too openly and fluently for that to be just a hiccup. If he kept Almunia in goal instead of Fabianski, I think the Tottenham result wouldn't have been half as bad.

-AC [/B]


really? you dont like carrick? i think hes great, hes exactly what i want from someone in his position. i dont really see why you like rosicky so much, he fits in with what arsenal do okay but hes not all that great a player. hows the arsenal sqaud more effective if it only works if certain players play with each other? more promising i can see maybe but effective i disagree.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
This would be my mixed team.

But first, 'Nani > Hleb'. Hahahahahahaha.

Gk: Van der Sar
Rb: Sagna
Lb: Clichy
Cb: Toure
Cb: Rio
Rm: Cron
Lm: Hleb
Cm: Fabregas
Cm: Flamini
Fw: RvP
Fw: Tevez

Tevez is being generous.


spoken like a true arsenal fan

this'd be mine

van der sar
sagna
evra
vidic
rio
carrick
fabregas
hleb
ronaldo
adebayor
rooney (when hes on form, hes been playing like shit since his injury)

we have different commentators than you guys in canada. i dont even know who pleat is. the worst ones ive heard though are the two guys that do the setanta games for man united, the one guys calls everybody by their first names and the other guys is like 25 and annoying as shit.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
This would be my mixed team.

But first, 'Nani > Hleb'. Hahahahahahaha.

Gk: Van der Sar
Rb: Sagna
Lb: Clichy
Cb: Toure
Cb: Rio
Rm: Cron
Lm: Hleb
Cm: Fabregas
Cm: Flamini
Fw: RvP
Fw: Tevez

Tevez is being generous.

Nani is better than Hleb.
RvP RIP.
Sagna is only OK. As is Orange Boy.
Toure ain't better than Vidic.
Flamini is equal to Hargreaves at the most. Not better.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Nani is better than Hleb.
RvP RIP.
Sagna is only OK. As is Orange Boy.
Toure ain't better than Vidic.
Flamini is equal to Hargreaves at the most. Not better.

You're either being humourously annoying or genuinely dumb.

-AC

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Nani is better than Hleb.


😆 😆 😆 💃 💃 😆 😆 😆

Oh I like a good joke to cheer me up.

Nani is better than Hleb? WTF?

i would actually agree with most of that.

not the rvp or nani thing, but everything else pretty much. hargreaves does basically the same thing as flamini, flamini just does it every week for arsenal.

Do you think Hargreaves could do to Kaka' and Gattuso what Flamini did?

I think we both know the answer is no. He can't do what Flamini does consistently, he's certainly not gonna do it better than him against those kind of players.

-AC

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Ferdinand > Toure

you're insane. 😬

re: arsenal v milan, great win for arsenal, they played really well, but milan bar one or two players, to me, just didnt look that impressive... wouldnt take anything away from arsenal though, great night all round for em...

as far as united last year, ferguson balls'd it up in the first place by not picking the same team that had beaten roma... i know milan>roma and all, but jeez, if you find something that works, don't bloody ruin it... milan outplayed united, but united werent the same team that had walked all over roma imo...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do you think Hargreaves could do to Kaka' and Gattuso what Flamini did?

I think we both know the answer is no. He can't do what Flamini does consistently, he's certainly not gonna do it better than him against those kind of players.

-AC


its not that he cant do it every week, we just have 4 other players than play his position. and i dont know that he cant, and you dont either. i think he could do it, ive seen him do it to a lot of other people.

Originally posted by Phat J
i would actually agree with most of that.

not the rvp or nani thing, but everything else pretty much. hargreaves does basically the same thing as flamini, flamini just does it every week for arsenal.

You agree Sagna is 'only OK'?

Currently there's no better RB anywhere.

Originally posted by Phat J
its not that he cant do it every week, we just have 4 other players than play his position. and i dont know that he cant, and you dont either. i think he could do it, ive seen him do it to a lot of other people.

A lot of other people aren't Gattuso and Kaka'.

Until he proves himself to be as good as Flamini, why not just say he isn't? Why say "I don't know if he is or not.". Go with what you've seen. I've seen as much of Hargreaves as you, he hasn't done what Flamini has.

-AC

Wait, who are the four other ball-winning defensive midfielders?

I can think of...zero.

Especially ones to force a player to the bench that can effectively shackle AC Milan's midfield.

God knows how Man Utd are second.

Let's all squirt all over Flamini's face cos he played well against AC Milan! Let's do it! Come on! Weee!

As for Hleb, I don't think he's very consistent. Nani's better. He's been exciting every time he's played during the last couple of months. I especially like Nani because he pissed all over those petulant Arsenal cry-babies...

Man Utd will win the league. Arsenal are too fragile (bar the occasional one-off against a creaking, old, immobile team).

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
You agree Sagna is 'only OK'?

Currently there's no better RB anywhere.


maicon is better, hes had a great season with inter. maybe hes not only okay but hes nothing special.

they have two other defensive midielders and 4 other players that can play in that position. they just all have different qualities. he did it for bayern munich for 5 years and won the champions league just a few years ago with them so i wouldnt exactly says hes unproven.

Why isn't he anything special? Maicon has had a great season with Inter, as if Sagna hasn't had a great season with Arsenal? You can't just say he's nothing special for no reason.

None of this is proving that Hargreaves is equal to Flamini.

Not even saying the man is shit, or bad, or even sub-par. I just don't think he is as good as Flamini.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Let's all squirt all over Flamini's face cos he played well against AC Milan! Let's do it! Come on! Weee!

As for Hleb, I don't think he's very consistent. Nani's better. He's been exciting every time he's played during the last couple of months. I especially like Nani because he pissed all over those petulant Arsenal cry-babies...

Man Utd will win the league. Arsenal are too fragile (bar the occasional one-off against a creaking, old, immobile team).

Exactly, you like him cos he did something against Arsenal, you dislike Arsenal players cos they're Arsenal players. I'm genuine enough to admit I think Berbatov is quite the man, but then again that's one player.

Why are you so against "one-offs" anyway? I'd have thought after the Carling Cup win, via a penalty and a messy goal, that's you'd be all for one-offs. Since you've lost to Birmingham and P.S.V. since then.

I hear Spurs are bringing out Carling Cup celebratory WATCHES, true? At least Tottenham's watches won't pass the time without a cup.

-AC

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Let's all squirt all over Flamini's face cos he played well against AC Milan! Let's do it! Come on! Weee!

Flamini's been the most consistent DM- if not midfielder in general- in the league this year. Don't watch much football?

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo

As for Hleb, I don't think he's very consistent. Nani's better. He's been exciting every time he's played during the last couple of months. I especially like Nani because he pissed all over those petulant Arsenal cry-babies.

Hahaha. It was all a joke. Good one.

NB- if it's not a joke...nah. It is.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo

Man Utd will win the league. Arsenal are too fragile (bar the occasional one-off against a creaking, old, immobile team).

Maybe they will. Although Arsenal are top, so that's an odd point.

Originally posted by Phat J
maicon is better, hes had a great season with inter. maybe hes not only okay but hes nothing special.

Yeah, plays in Italy. Makes him great doesn't it?

He can't even defend. He's a good attacking player.

Sagna has been easily, easily the best RB this season. If you don't realise that you're either completely biased, or know very little about football.

Originally posted by Phat J

they have two other defensive midielders and 4 other players that can play in that position.

Name the two DMs.

Anderson is attacking, as is Scholes. Carrick is a regular centre midfielder. He couldn't play as a DM if he wanted to- no pace, can't tackle.

Fletcher? The former new David Beckham?

yeah carrick would be the other one. maicon can defend fine, have you watched inter this season?

i said he was nothing special because i think hes just that, nothing special. when ive seen him play this season thats all that ive seen, maybe im just missing his great performances.

i dont even know how i got into this argument about flamini, he has played really well this season. hes put in better perfomances on a much more consistent basis than hargreaves has. sorry about that one.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly, you like him cos he did something against Arsenal, you dislike Arsenal players cos they're Arsenal players. I'm genuine enough to admit I think Berbatov is quite the man, but then again that's one player.

Aw, that's unfair! I don't dislike them just cos they play for Whinger's Petulant Cry-babies! I dislike them because they always cry like babies while their manager whinges and defends their childish behavior! There's a difference.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
are you so against "one-offs" anyway? I'd have thought after the Carling Cup win, via a penalty and a messy goal, that's you'd be all for one-offs. Since you've lost to Birmingham and P.S.V. since then.

The Carling Cup victory was the culmination of a number of successive wins, including a 5-1 annihilation of an Arsenal team that included a majority of the players who beat AC Milan.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I hear Spurs are bringing out Carling Cup celebratory WATCHES, true? At least Tottenham's watches won't pass the time without a cup.

I'm sure that last sentence means something, but I just can't work out what...

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Flamini's been the most consistent DM- if not midfielder in general- in the league this year. Don't watch much football?

"It was all a joke. Good one.

NB- if it's not a joke...nah. It is."

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
has been easily, easily the best RB this season. If you don't realise that you're either completely biased, or know very little about football

There's been a dearth of good RBs, but I'd venture Johnson and Brown as players who have made an equal contribution to their team. Also, those fellas (including Sagna) are only in the reckoning because Hutton has played most of the season up in Scotland. Since he's been in England, he's kicked Sagna's bottom.

Why is it Whinger always signs irritating players? Arsenal's team make-up is like a bunch of Gary Nevilles mixed with a sprinkling of Robbie Savage, personality-wise. I'd say they're all looking for a strong father figure, but they ended up with a moany housewife dressed-up like an owl.

it is true that they have a lot of irritating players. eboue drives me ****ing nuts.