Hiroshima and Nagasaki--justified?

Well, for me it was more a kind of "let'S try out how fine this bomb works"-thing for the scientist, but of course he was influenced by them.

I have no idea how long it takes to clarify a situation and I, of course, don't know, whether he waited before etc., but I just believe, that it could have been avoided, if there had been a more careful research before, because of course, you can't just launch such a bomb, without a research before, .. or can you? I don't know, how it has been handled in this particular case, just that we know today, it wasn't necessary, so the chances he could've known it wasn't necessary are not impossible, so I see the possibility of another solution back then, so I don't think it can be justified that easy. (ok, that sounded somewhat chaotic, but I hope a bit understandable 😖)

Perhaps it was the best solution..we don't know. But I believe, there could have been a more peaceful way to ensure .. peace.

And the attitude of the current president of the United States doesn't show too much .. "learned".

((I didn't get the part with "Japan was -satisfied-"😉)

Hmm I don't think these Scientists thought that way...but possible

Now actually we don't know nowadays if there was a peaceful way...some people say Japan would have surrendered some say they wouldn't, but we know that the war was over after launching the bombs. And the more peaceful way is not necessarily the best solution.....

When I said "Japan was justified" I meant the bombing of Japan was Justified (in my opinion)

You said "satisfied" actually, which confused me. 😉

Well, there is no point in continuing, because, we just don't know all those things. I stated my point and that'S it. 😊

I did?....dammit that is dumb 😮 ....anyways

I agree 😊

Happens to me all the time too 😛

If we can't agree on the subject at least we can agree to stop together. Nice way 😊

winkiss

Ok, I'm done.

Must du immer das letzte wort haben? 🤨

Ok I am done too 😊

Bottom line in this situation was that intelligence reports had indicated that the war in the pacific would have dragged on and on. Also, consider the mindset of the Japanese. It was, and still is, a very nationalistic society. If it hadn't been for the bombs, they would have fought until the last man was standing and America couldn't afford to be engaged in the situation for that long. However, that being said, and in my opinion, the use of the bomb was justified. The creation of the bomb was not.

we mustn't forget that at the same the German army was also racing to build Nuclear weapons so in that sense there was little time to think about the morality of using the weapon

i personally believe that if the Germans had not surrendered when they had and indeed kept fight then those bombs would no doubt have been used in Europe first

If the germans had not surrendered when they did, we wouldn't have developed the bomb as quickly as we did. So much of Americas win in the technology and arms race of the cold war was a direct result of the influence and research of captured German scientists. The CIA itself was founded by former SS men.

Now I won't agree to the fact that it was justified, tho I think it'll be hard to ever find out the decent truth about how long Japan would have resisted without the A-bombs I think it would have been better for the US to flex its muscles (dropping the Abombs) on an uninhabbited island.

Ofc almost all posts in this thread are made by people with a view on the situation which doesn't reflect the view of the people in that time. And that makes it very easy for us to judge their decisions.

Personaly I am fairly confident scientists did not know very much about the long term effects of an A-bomb.

Thats what I think too....the scientists couldn't really know what would happen in the long run.

And thats exactly the thing...for us now it is easy to form an opinion and say what they did was good or should have never been done....we should consider what Truman and the people back then knew aboo their standings in the war.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
What are you laughing about? About 200, 000 died in Hiroshima and another 150,000 were wiped out in Nagasaki. The long term effects of the radiation did result in a death toll in the millions? So what's the joke?

Originally posted by tabby999
WTF! if you cant see the difference between a fire bomb and a nuke on the people its dropped on, i dont think your essays gonna do too well. a fire bomb is cruel and horrible thing to do to someone but a nuke has long reaching and long lasting effects. people die for generations because of the radiation that gets into everything because of the nuke.
jesus, i cant believe you said that....

And no one has addressed the rest of my points, either.

Originally posted by FeceMan
No. Some Japanese sources claim that almost a million lives died in the following 25 years due to the effects, but there were no 'millions' lost.

And other sources claim that people are still getting cancer from those bombs dropped over 50 years ago, and that those who were under 30 years old when the bombs were dropped are most likely to develope cancer caused by radiation today.

Just a thought, when debating, don't start of with "No". If you are going to be that closed minded why even post? Not to mention you are debating the whether only a million people were killed, or more than a million. Doesn't your christian ethic make you think that even if it were only a million people (and I say that sarcastically) killed that would be a bad thing?

Not to beat a dead horse, but people often claim that christians are ridiculed too much, yet here is Feceman (a selfproclaimed christian if I am not mistaken please correct me if I am wrong) seeking the justification of the killing of up to a a million people or more. I just think this is all a little weird.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
And other sources claim that people are still getting cancer from those bombs dropped over 50 years ago, and that those who were under 30 years old when the bombs were dropped are most likely to develope cancer caused by radiation today.

Just a thought, when debating, don't start of with "No". If you are going to be that closed minded why even post? Not to mention you are debating the whether only a million people were killed, or more than a million. Doesn't your christian ethic make you think that even if it were only a million people (and I say that sarcastically) killed that would be a bad thing?

Not to beat a dead horse, but people often claim that christians are ridiculed too much, yet here is Feceman (a selfproclaimed christian if I am not mistaken please correct me if I am wrong) seeking the justification of the killing of up to a a million people or more. I just think this is all a little weird.

Originally posted by FeceMan
And what would be more justified? The killing of so many more in a land invasion?

Are you proposing that a million people would have been killed in a land invasion? Never mind proposing that a land invasion would have been necessary to begin with? Are you aware of what predicament the Japanese military, economic and civilian institutions were in by the end of the war?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Are you proposing that a million people would have been killed in a land invasion? Never mind proposing that a land invasion would have been necessary to begin with? Are you aware of what predicament the Japanese military, economic and civilian institutions were in by the end of the war?

I am well aware of everything stated.

Here's an interesting article that I happened upon.

Aside from that, two million Japanese soldiers and almost thirty million armed civilians awaited American troops. The Japanese policy of 'no surrender' would have made this--as an understatement--a costly invasion.

It is completely fair. Who is to say what is fair in war? ever hear all is fair in love and war? Let me ask you this, if the japanese and german military had nuclear weapons at their disposal, do you think they would have stopped at two?

ONe would have gotten the point across, but it is WAR!!! people. The americans even dropped millions of flyers warning people of the bombs.

I would have to say the bombings of those city's was justified, look what they did at Pearl Harbor people!!!!! LOOK what Japan did to China, they kill millions of there people and acted like it was normal. Doctors did tests on thousands of Chinese, French, American, British, Australian, Canadian and many other nations troops and civilians that lead to all of there deaths, they also did the tests WITHOUT any medicine for the pain to go away while they was operating on them, treating them like animals. they raped hundreds if not thousands of woman. they also started WWII WITHOUT warning the USA or Great Britain they was at war with us. they got what they deserved, for all the death and pain they brought everyone they should have the bombs dropped on them to make them REMEMBER what they did. Japan is very lucky Jesus Christ did not return at that time because if he did, he himself would have destroyed the ENTIRE COUNTRY!!

Originally posted by kevdude
I would have to say the bombings of those city's was justified, look what they did at Pearl Harbor people!!!!! LOOK what Japan did to China, they kill millions of there people and acted like it was normal. Doctors did tests on thousands of Chinese, French, American, British, Australian, Canadian and many other nations troops and civilians that lead to all of there deaths, they also did the tests WITHOUT any medicine for the pain to go away while they was operating on them, treating them like animals. they raped hundreds if not thousands of woman. they also started WWII WITHOUT warning the USA or Great Britain they was at war with us. they got what they deserved, for all the death and pain they brought everyone they should have the bombs dropped on them to make them REMEMBER what they did. Japan is very lucky Jesus Christ did not return at that time because if he did, he himself would have destroyed the ENTIRE COUNTRY!!

Ok ....easy dujde...I mean I personally believe the bombings were justified, but what you say sounds a little more radical....and not very well thought through anyways....it wasn't the civillians that did that you know.....thats like saying "this guy hit me so I am gonna rape his little sister" 🤨 ....none te less it was justified for other reasons already stated in this thread (not for revenge)

Bardock you made a typo 😛

and I disagree with you for one of the first times 😛