Originally posted by Lazerlike42Thats one opinion, all of which are valid since we don't know....but what about that funny look that Palps gives Anakin just as he is mentioning this? And why would he need to lie about Plagueis' powers? His own, maybe, but he wasn't trying to get Anakin loyal to his former (and dead) master.
Midiclhorians were brought up in Episode one as a really bad way to show that Anakin was incredibly powerful, not as an intended link to this scene in Episode 3. They are brought up in 3 again because they are an established premise that fits into the current situation.
no I agree with you in part.... I don't personally think Plagius did it, however, I also think the look Palpatine gives Anakin is very interesting and could mean one of the two created Anakin. The look means a lot. It's not conclusive, but it means a lot.
The biggest problem with Palpatine creating Anakin as part of his plan is that given the random nature of how the Queen's ship ended up on Tatooine, the random nature in which Anakin was found, given that he survived 8 years in a very difficult environment, given how random it was that he was freed and how, and that his mother wasn't and so on and so on, there's just too much for even Palpatine to orchestrate.
For this reason, I hold the belief that the force created him on its own, and the force directed events such that he was found by Qui-gon, the most force-in-tune Jedi, and one who'd make sure he was trained in spite of everyone else's refusal... it was the complete and pure will of the force in other words.
I think this comment explained by Palpatine just enforces the fact that The Force itself can in fact create life. Palpatine knew Anakin was born of the force..not any one person. This alone tells Anakin it is possible to create life through the force. He just never knew it was an ability one force-wielder could learn until Palpatine told him so. I think it was either true, palpatine knows and never shows Anakin. Or Palpatine lied to Anakin to lure him in knowing about his fear of losing Padme
Originally posted by Lazerlike42I would answer this by suggesting that Plagueis created Anakin WITHOUT Sidious knowledge, perhaps as a future replacement for Sidious. Sidious kills his master, and Anakin is left on Tattoine because noone knows he is there. Only after 10 years does the chance landing happen (making it a little less "convenient"😉 and Anakin is brought to the forefront. I would imagine that sometime after that Sidiuos realises the possibility that Anakin was brought about by his former master, another possible explanation for that look and MUCH more reason for him to desire Vader as his own apprentice. I just don't see the force as something that has a mind of it's own in these matters, the force surrounds us and can be tapped into and manipulated, but doesn't do anything on it,s own, it is not sentient it is a ...well, "force". To create life, the force would HAVE to have been manipulated...
no I agree with you in part.... I don't personally think Plagius did it, however, I also think the look Palpatine gives Anakin is very interesting and could mean one of the two created Anakin. The look means a lot. It's not conclusive, but it means a lot.The biggest problem with Palpatine creating Anakin as part of his plan is that given the random nature of how the Queen's ship ended up on Tatooine, the random nature in which Anakin was found, given that he survived 8 years in a very difficult environment, given how random it was that he was freed and how, and that his mother wasn't and so on and so on, there's just too much for even Palpatine to orchestrate.
For this reason, I hold the belief that the force created him on its own, and the force directed events such that he was found by Qui-gon, the most force-in-tune Jedi, and one who'd make sure he was trained in spite of everyone else's refusal... it was the complete and pure will of the force in other words.
But by whom?? 😮💨
Well to compare it to theology, it would be the same question as to say, is it the will of God that there are homeless people? The answer would be no He doesn't WANT it to be that way and He doesn't personally do anything to make it happen, He simply chooses not to do anything to prevent it. The Force can be (and often has been such as here) compared to God. In other words, the Force wouldn't want everyone to die, no, but neither would it do anything to prevent it.
I'm giving this analogy because the comparison is very similar and the answer to the theological version of the question has been debated for 2000 (or more) years and thusly holds the weight of 2 millenia of great thinkers.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42Sure, I have heard the comparisons for years, but people cannot actually use religion in the way the force is used. I can't wipe peoples mind by waving my hand in front of them, or "Jesus push" them out of my way.
Well to compare it to theology, it would be the same question as to say, is it the will of God that there are homeless people? The answer would be no He doesn't WANT it to be that way and He doesn't personally do anything to make it happen, He simply chooses not to do anything to prevent it. The Force can be (and often has been such as here) compared to God. In other words, the Force wouldn't want everyone to die, no, but neither would it do anything to prevent it.I'm giving this analogy because the comparison is very similar and the answer to the theological version of the question has been debated for 2000 (or more) years and thusly holds the weight of 2 millenia of great thinkers.
Well, since you only hear Jedi say it, I would take it as THEIR interpretation of how the force should be used, sort of their philosophy of things. Do you think the Sith give a damn about (or even aknowledge) any 'will of the force'. And at the end of ROTS, the "dark side" of the force is in control. Come to think of it, if there are dark and light sides of the force, how could you possibly identify an overall 'will'?
Well I would say the Sith ABUSE the Force. They go against it's will. They do what it doesn't "want." None of that requires that the Force has the ability to stop the Sith from doing this, any more than an oxycontin pill has the ability to stop a guy from abusing it.
Lol and yes I know you will say exactly oxycontin doesn't have a conciousness or a will nor does the Force, but I would say the Force is something in between God and a pill.
lol....But then why is there an aknowledged dark side? I see the force more like nature...we have a perception of how it should be, we can use (and abuse) it, we TRY to control and predict it, it can be powerfull, beautifull, destructive, etc. But it doesn't exactly have a mind (will) of it's own. "It surrounds us, binds us..."
It doesn't create life directly, although it is tied into the process, and we are about to the point where we can manipulate it to....
Plagueis Story line
I would like you to read this a enjoy what I found. I also wish to thank Super Shadow's History section for this paragraph
Soon afterwards, Darth Plagueis apprenticed a young boy from Naboo, Dantius Palpatine and dubbed him Darth Sidious. Plagueis had several kyber crystals and eventually gave Palpatine one of these kyber crystals. The kyber crystals were forged by the Rodar Wizards of Perdonis and scattered throughout the Galaxy, about 100,000 years before the events of The Phantom Menace. Unbeknownst to Plagueis, Palpatine had found a far more potent kyber crystal than anything Plagueis had. Palpatine located it on the planet Moovis, which he purchased from Ushkar Madcra, a bounty hunter who sold it as junk. This potent kyber crystal made Palpatine too powerful for his master to control. On the planet Skaggis, Palpatine sliced off Plagueis’ arms, sliced Plagueis in half from head to hip, then finished Plagueis off with a Force tornado when Plagueis was 52 years old.