Actually REX, in fairness to others. If someone was to watch the movie and NOT read the book, they would clearly assume that palps got his ass handed to him. I know for you, since you've no doubt read the book it's clear as day that he was baiting. But that's not how it played out on the screen. On screen, there wasen't any indication what so ever that palps was not trying to win. He only started baiting Anakin when he was dumped on his ass up against the wall and windu's saber in his face.
So, the movie was poorly shot, because if someone didn't read the book, they would think you and everyone who thinks Palps was baiting anakin is flat out crazy.
Well then there is something external that is making you think that, because the way the movie scene was shot, there isn't even one small look in palps face the entire time that leads people who haven't read the book to think he is baiting. You probably think that, either because you have an opinion of how much stronger palps should be then windu and must be playing, or you see the importance of Anakin turning to the darkside, and this is a good opportunity to do so. But many movie only people will just think that Anakin was in the right place at the right time to save palps. That he made his decision on the spot, and that palps needed him. That's the way the movie portrays the scene.
I'm just pointing out, that don't forget many people who haven't read the book won't agree with the palps is baiting theory. GL and the movie makers didn't make it clear in the movie by a long shot.
Carry on 🙂
I have the book Episode 3 and it stipulates: 'based on the screenplay by George Lucas'. It is based upon the movie, but it certainly adds bits and pieces here and there. The book encapsulates more than 4 pages of conversation between Sidious and Dooku before Kenobi and Anakin arrive. It is here that we see what the initial plan was: for Anakin to capture Dooku, after Dooku killed Obi Wan. Naturally, this wasn't the real plan. Sidious' plan all along was for Anakin to kill Dooku.
Regardless, the books are based on the screenplay. What does this mean? it means that the info in the books are accurate, however Lucas cut such scenes from the movie. Expanded conversations between Anakin and Palps will most certainly be included in the DVD verstion at the end of the year.
I read Ep2 book and the scenes that were cut, but included in the dvd edition, were in the BOOK. This means that the book is accurate, since it has the approval of Lucas.
I took my friend to see Star Wars today. So, I'm refreshed in memory about the duel.
Yoda entered the office and incapacitated the Red Guard. He then engaged in banter with Palpatine. Palpatine then raised his hands and fired off a stream of Force lightning. Yoda quickly tried to block it, but was overpowered by Palpatine's attack. Yoda was sent flying, and hit the wall. He was then rendered temporarily unconscious.
Mas Amedda - who many people said called the Clones - left in NO hurry. You'd think that if it's like some people have said, if Mas went to go help his boss, he would've ran off to go call in support. He walked out of the room in no hurry to summon support. Palpatine lingered behind and gloated to Yoda. Yoda woke up, slowly got up, and then Force pushed Palpatine. Palpatine flew over his desk and was knocked over the chair.
Palpatine was already on his feet a few moments later, though he was surprised at Yoda's power and endurance. Now. Clearly we know Mas Amedda did NOT call the clones - as logic dictates. He left the room in a lethargic pace. Now. Clearly also, Yoda does not recover as easily as Palpatine does. The biggest factor of all is that Palpatine achieved his overall goal. Domination of the entire galaxy and the Sith supremecy. Yoda is very powerful. So if you were in Palpatine's shoes, why stay and duke it out with a powerful Jedi Master when you have finally achieved the goal you waited DECADES to put into motion.
Like Palpatine said at the Galaxies Opera. THOSE WHO GAIN POWER ARE AFRAID TO LOSE IT!!!! Palpatine is no exception. So he did what every other cowardly - yet powerful and manipulative dictator does. He tried to flee. Yoda blocked him.
Fishy has said that it was Palpatine looking to kill Yoda and not the other way around. There was only person with murderous intent at the time of this duel. And that would be Yoda. Yoda drew his lightsaber. Palpatine did the same after telling Yoda that "You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us."
They engaged in a lightsaber fight. Yoda was on the offensive, and Palpatine was on the defensive. Yet neither bested the other. NEITHER bested the OTHER. NEITHER. As in NONE of the two. But you could tell from the fight that Yoda was more confidant in this duel, as well as his experience in combat.
Palpatine led the fight back to the Senate podium. He and Yoda exchanged thrusts and parries - and continued to fight off one another's attacks. As the podium rose into the Senate chamber - Palpatine and Yoda leapt onto a few pods and continued to fight, and still, neither bested the other.
Palpatine then tried to throw various Senate pods at Yoda. He threw two and three at a time. Yoda managed to dodge all of these. But not with ease. Finally, using all of his power (you could see the effort on his face) Yoda repelled it back to Palpatine. Palpatine, in shock, didn't stop the pod, but jumped from it. Like Yoda did.
Yoda tried to follow and pulled out his lightsaber. Palpatine blasted it from his hands with a bout of lightning. Then Palpatine fired lightning more - in a current. He moved closer to Yoda, and Yoda moved back. The effort on Yoda's face - as well as Palpatine's - was pure evident. Palpatine's lightning was coming out in a high magnitude, and it strained him. Yoda was having a hell of a time holding the lightning at bay, and at first, looked more fatigued of the two.
Finally, Yoda used his strength and reflected it back at Palpatine. But the blast worked two ways. The blasted knocked Palpatine over the edge of the pod, but he managed to cling on. Yoda was sent flying (he weighed less and didn't control the lightning as Palpatine did) and flew farther. Weakened from the effort of repulsing Palpatine's lightning, his grip faltered and he fell.
Palpatine laughed - but was in a similar predicament - hanging from a ledge as well. Yoda knew that both he and Palpatine were too tired to combat the other - as well as the fact that the fall must have hurt him as well. So he fled the building. When he reached Bail Organa, he lamented on his failure.
"Failed, I have."
Whether he is admitting that he lost the fight is speculation. I believe it was that he failed to kill Palpatine. His overall goal. Palpatine would be better prepared if Yoda ever returned. Both fought to a standstill. Yoda survived and so did Palpatine. But Yoda's goals weren't reached whereas Palpatine's were.
Neither LOST. But Yoda failed. Again. This is not insulting him or saying he was weaker. But he himself said he failed.
There ya go. An unbiased walkthrough of the Palpatine vs Yoda duel.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
I took my friend to see Star Wars today. So, I'm refreshed in memory about the duel.Yoda entered the office and incapacitated the Red Guard. He then engaged in banter with Palpatine. Palpatine then raised his hands and fired off a stream of Force lightning. Yoda quickly tried to block it, but was overpowered by Palpatine's attack. Yoda was sent flying, and hit the wall. He was then rendered temporarily unconscious.
Mas Amedda - who many people said called the Clones - left in NO hurry. You'd think that if it's like some people have said, if Mas went to go help his boss, he would've ran off to go call in support. He walked out of the room in no hurry to summon support. Palpatine lingered behind and gloated to Yoda. Yoda woke up, slowly got up, and then Force pushed Palpatine. Palpatine flew over his desk and was knocked over the chair.
Palpatine was already on his feet a few moments later, though he was surprised at Yoda's power and endurance. Now. Clearly we know Mas Amedda did NOT call the clones - as logic dictates. He left the room in a lethargic pace. Now. Clearly also, Yoda does not recover as easily as Palpatine does. The biggest factor of all is that Palpatine achieved his overall goal. Domination of the entire galaxy and the Sith supremecy. Yoda is very powerful. So if you were in Palpatine's shoes, why stay and duke it out with a powerful Jedi Master when you have finally achieved the goal you waited DECADES to put into motion.
Like Palpatine said at the Galaxies Opera. THOSE WHO GAIN POWER ARE AFRAID TO LOSE IT!!!! Palpatine is no exception. So he did what every other cowardly - yet powerful and manipulative dictator does. He tried to flee. Yoda blocked him.
Fishy has said that it was Palpatine looking to kill Yoda and not the other way around. There was only person with murderous intent at the time of this duel. And that would be Yoda. Yoda drew his lightsaber. Palpatine did the same after telling Yoda that "You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us."
They engaged in a lightsaber fight. Yoda was on the offensive, and Palpatine was on the defensive. Yet neither bested the other. NEITHER bested the OTHER. NEITHER. As in NONE of the two. But you could tell from the fight that Yoda was more confidant in this duel, as well as his experience in combat.
Palpatine led the fight back to the Senate podium. He and Yoda exchanged thrusts and parries - and continued to fight off one another's attacks. As the podium rose into the Senate chamber - Palpatine and Yoda leapt onto a few pods and continued to fight, and still, neither bested the other.
Palpatine then tried to throw various Senate pods at Yoda. He threw two and three at a time. Yoda managed to dodge all of these. But not with ease. Finally, using all of his power (you could see the effort on his face) Yoda repelled it back to Palpatine. Palpatine, in shock, didn't stop the pod, but jumped from it. Like Yoda did.
Yoda tried to follow and pulled out his lightsaber. Palpatine blasted it from his hands with a bout of lightning. Then Palpatine fired lightning more - in a current. He moved closer to Yoda, and Yoda moved back. The effort on Yoda's face - as well as Palpatine's - was pure evident. Palpatine's lightning was coming out in a high magnitude, and it strained him. Yoda was having a hell of a time holding the lightning at bay, and at first, looked more fatigued of the two.
Finally, Yoda used his strength and reflected it back at Palpatine. But the blast worked two ways. The blasted knocked Palpatine over the edge of the pod, but he managed to cling on. Yoda was sent flying (he weighed less and didn't control the lightning as Palpatine did) and flew farther. Weakened from the effort of repulsing Palpatine's lightning, his grip faltered and he fell.
Palpatine laughed - but was in a similar predicament - hanging from a ledge as well. Yoda knew that both he and Palpatine were too tired to combat the other - as well as the fact that the fall must have hurt him as well. So he fled the building. When he reached Bail Organa, he lamented on his failure.
"Failed, I have."
Whether he is admitting that he lost the fight is speculation. I believe it was that he failed to kill Palpatine. His overall goal. Palpatine would be better prepared if Yoda ever returned. Both fought to a standstill. Yoda survived and so did Palpatine. But Yoda's goals weren't reached whereas Palpatine's were.
Neither LOST. But Yoda failed. Again. This is not insulting him or saying he was weaker. But he himself said he failed.
There ya go. An unbiased walkthrough of the Palpatine vs Yoda duel.
*nail hit on head*
Was Palp Toying With Mace?
This was taken from the Star Wars site and I totally agree with whoever wrote this. The second time I saw Star Wars(today) I noticed that Palpitine could clearly take a stab at Mace. Read the article here.
Feel the Palpatine was toying with Mace Windu in Revenge. Here are my reasons:
1) Palpatine disposed of th other 3 Jedi Masters in 10 seconds yet he allows Mace to back off and enter another room? Come on, if Palp was not toying with Mace, why let him retreat?
2) When Mace was backing down at first, he was holding his lightsaber up high and pointed straight up, Palp had a clear shot at stabbing Mace, yet he didn't.
3) As soon as Anakin entered the office, Palp started crying out and pleading with Anakin like an old man who was weak and defenseless.
4) While he was shooting Lightning at Mace he was still pleading and acting like he was too weak to fight back.
5) As soon as Anakin cut off Mace's hand, Palp magically "comes to life" and starts shocking Mace with the same ferocity as when he was "too tired."
In My Opinion Palp was toying with Mace and had control of the duel the entire time.
IMO, and like I have stated before, yes, he was. Now, I don't say this just because I like sids more. But it's the logic thing and you can see that in his eyes. He had the power to kill mace on sight but he was waiting for anakin so he could play all that scene. Note that the instant Anakin arrives, sids starts to lose ground. Anyway I think there's a thread about this (or various) around.
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