Padme Dies?!! Problem here...

Started by finti6 pages

and Lukes words are clear.
"Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?" there is no doubt that asks about Padme.
And if Luke cant remember a thing about his mother how come Leia that aint been trained in the ways of the force be able too?

You don't have to be trained in the ways of the force to get "feedback" from it. Leia gets these feelings because she is strong with the force. Anakin wasn't purposefully using the force when he had his dreams. He was just strong with it so the dreams came to him. Leia, being his child, is also strong with the force and thus gets these feelings and images without trying.

You don't have to be trained in the ways of the force to get "feedback" from it. Leia gets these feelings because she is strong with the force. Anakin wasn't purposefully using the force when he had his dreams. He was just strong with it so the dreams came to him. Leia, being his child, is also strong with the force and thus gets these feelings and images without trying.
then explain why Luke wouldnt get these images and feelings of his mother

A) Leia is a woman. Women tend to have strong connections with their mother in an almost supernatural way even in our real world.

B) Padme's pain was much stronger when Leia was born then when Luke was. She was one step closer to death.

C) Leia was raised by Bail Organa, a person who greatly respected the Jedi, and who probably encouraged a belief in the force and so forth, whereas Luke was raised by Owen Beru who treats the force as the most forbidden subject on Tatooine

D) it's just a movie, and this specific point is far, far more subtle and likely to be passed over than the general idea of how Leia remembers.

all kids have a stronger connection with their mother regardless gender.

Padme's pain was much stronger when Leia was born then when Luke was. She was one step closer to death.
doesnt mean a thing, just as well argued that Padme stroke Lukes cheek so she touched him but a thing wich she didnt do with Leia.

as for c. Leia was a part of the senate she was around the nerbys of the Emeror and Vader where as none of them even remoltly sensed her.

D you are correct it is jsut a movie, what we did was point out a flaw in it . George Lucas actually undersestimated peoples will to pick up on this trail. Cause Padmes death has been debated for quite some time

I think people are actually vastly, vastly underestimating the amount of thought Lucas put into it. All these so called plot holes are exactly what Lucas intended for specific reasons.

They didn't sense Leia because nobody knew she existed. They thought Padme was having one child at most, and probably thought that she had died before giving birth. Also, she didn't know who her father was, so there was nothing to sense. I'm sure Vader and Palpatine were around plenty of people who had the force strong with them through the years, it was no reason to pay special attention.

My point isn't that Leia was in any way embracing the force or even close to using it, but rather that it was easier for her to sense her mother through it because to her it was an open idea, her mind was open to the idea of the force, whereas to Luke the force was this horrible thing that was never allowed to be mentioned so his mind was very very closed.

As we see in ESB, it is important to have a belief in the force and an open mind to it if it is to help you.

I think people are actually vastly, vastly underestimating the amount of thought Lucas put into it. All these so called plot holes are exactly what Lucas intended for specific reasons.
nah i think it is lack of continuity in his ability to tell a story

As we see in ESB, it is important to have a belief in the force and an open mind to it if it is to help you.
they were twins and twins even the not identical ones have strong ties.

But again its just a film with its flaws, some see this being discussed here as aflaw other doesnt.

My believes is that George just changed his mind about the entire matter

Just a thought here...

What if Padme didn't die? I know there isn't much evidence here, but there is a little.

At the funeral, her belly was big (to show that the children probably died, too) and they zoomed in on her double girl (like episode I).

This may be grasping, but maybe she staged the funeral to get Vader off the trail and then went to live with the Organa's. Just a thought.

Yeah , just a thought because none of the six movies ever gives us ahint that she didn't die. SW is simple, what you see is waht you get.

Okay, I posted something simliar in another thread but here is my explanation... I don't feel like reading through all of the other ones right now...

Leia remembers Bail Organa's wife as her mother, just like she remembers Bail Organa as her father. Remember when she says, "Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars... now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire."

However, it is likely that Bail's wife also dies when Leia is young. For all we know, Leia was never told she was adopted because they wanted to hide the truth about Anakin and Padme from her the way Obi-Wan did Luke.

Leia was probably very confused. And I don't think Luke really got what he wanted when he talked with her. He was trying to get her to think back about her real mother because he wanted to reveal to her that they were brother and sister. Afterward Leia probably ponders more and reaches out with the force more to try and remember Padme. That's kind of what Luke was trying to get her to do when he tells her that she has "that power" too.

It's meant to be more tragic, that when Luke asks about her real mother, she remembers her step mother... Padme has been forgotten completely, save for a few people like Anakin, Obi-Wan, & Yoda.

no you've missed the whole point if you read the books it states she was adopted and she was well aware that she was adopted into the royal family. She was aware that yeah mother played an important part in politics and therefore is why she joined the rebels. leia had a strong connection with her mother using the force through dreams also her father is unknown to her that is why she calls bail her father he also had a strong connection to her mother and would of told her about padme.

jedimind tricks she did die that was the whole point of the story that he turned to the darkside to save her but it was actually him turning to the dark side that destroyed her and therefore she died of a broken heart, if he didnt turn to the dark side she would of lived. so in a way anakin kill her

Yup.

Some have tried to argue this Leia-got-confused-with-her-stepmother routine before. And there is absolutely NO DOUBT Leia was talking about her birthmother.

Expanded Universe. Lucas doesn't follow what was written in the books.

yes extanded universe in the books which are after the films im on about the books of the films

Originally posted by adele2k5
yes extanded universe in the books which are after the films im on about the books of the films

Movies always come before books and video games as far as cannon goes. Unless Lucas writes the book himself, too much of the books based on movies are influenced by the various authors. How can there be any consistency in a series if there are too many different authors? Naturally there would be contradictions as is the case here. 😉

So far it hasn't been a huge deal..but Lucas should read the novels. In the Thrawn trilogy Mara told Luke that Vader lost his hand to the Emperor because of his blunder - the Death Star's plans leaking out.

By this time of course, both arms were mechanical, and so he couldn't actually lose one again..

How about this, that she was told about her REAL mother by bail and his wife. and thats where the memories and feelings an images come from

Originally posted by darthmaul1
How about this, that she was told about her REAL mother by bail and his wife. and thats where the memories and feelings an images come from

Could be... 😉

The film novels are not EU.