Originally posted by Wanderer259
It's true Yoda is a hard-ass; that can't be disputed. We see Yoda go toe-to-toe with Darth Sidious and Tyranus. We see him absorb and deflect the lightning Sidious uses to rock everyone else in the entire movie saga with his hands. There is no question that Yoda is awesome.But he'll eventually succumb to Darth Revan.
- The lightsaber. Revan is fully capable of using both one and two sabers to devastating effect, but we'll consider the fact that his ability to use two lightsabers will give him the speed he needs to keep up, deflect, and counter Yoda. It's true that it's a physically weaker style of combat, but I don't imagine Yoda is very strong himself. Let's also not forget Revan's combat-based precognitive skills.
- Force knowledge? Hard to tell. Revan soaked up knowledge of both the Jedi and the Sith faster than a hobo soaks up booze. Yoda had considerably longer amounts of time to learn more and so he may have had... but apparently he doesn't know everything that other Force users do. Such as probably how to conjure lightning and the Mortichro technique.
- Force strength. Revan will win this, I'm sure. Like Anakin, Revan possesses immense potential. Unlike Skywalker, however, Revan met it and knew how to harness it.
- Ability to fight. Yoda's awesome, but Revan was made for war. There's really no need to go into this.
I think Yoda will give a hell of a fight, but I don't see why he'd win. He let himself get beat by Sidious (Sure, the fall took him out, but the deflecting of the lightning did force him backwards into it and if Sids' lightning can do that, imagine what Revan's will do.), who as we all now know, wasn't "all that" when compared.
Darth Revan wins.
Oh yeah. Wanderer259 said it all! 😎
Both sides are correct. By the way, though, Mantis was comparing CERTAIN accomplishments of Revan compared to the actions we saw of Yoda. Yoda is revered in his day and Revan is in his day, too, and even though the latter was a more ancient period, I reqlly think Yoda is one of the greatest Jedi of all time - of Revan, I think, the same cannot be said.
Originally posted by Darth Mantis
accomplishments are nothing compared to actions... I still say Yoda wins... He never fought a jedi master of his calibar, and I believe he would probably die in the first 2 minutes of the match...
You're going off half-cocked, Mantis.
"Accomplishments are nothing compared to actions"
How the hell does that make logical sense? Actions lead to accomplishments! We all know cause and effect; it's arguably the only innate knowledge human beings are born with. You push the ball, it moves. You hit the curb, you stop. Same applies here. You act. You accomplish. You cannot accomplish without an act or some sort. I do not become a teacher without going to school. I do not become an astronaut without working for NASA. I do not kill hundreds without acting in a manner which will create death. Your logic is piss-poor and the only excuse you have is that you've seen Yoda on screen, and his style impressed you so much there is no amount of logic that will shake your faith in his abilities. None.
"He never fought a Jedi master of his calibar"
BS. The Jedi who Revan killed were warriors in a time of the Golden Age of the Sith.... The Sith Wars. They were lean and mean Sith fightin' machines. Yoda was the greatest living swordsman Jedi (arguably) in a time when, as Mace says "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers". Yoda's "calibre" is significantly less than an ancient Jedi, regardless of your personal feelings on the situation.
"and I believe he would probably die in the first 2 minutes"
Every time I see a time frame quoted like this, it's always from some superably confidant, fanboyish person who hasn't got a logical leg to stand on. Mantis, I have no real beef with you. We haven't clashed or anything. But your stubbornness has called down the Logic Whupass(tm). Consider your argument, if it can be called as such, smited.
Originally posted by Darth_JanusName one jedi during the reign of Revan that could beat Yoda?
You're going off half-cocked, Mantis."Accomplishments are nothing compared to actions"
How the hell does that make logical sense? Actions lead to accomplishments! We all know cause and effect; it's arguably the only innate knowledge human beings are born with. You push the ball, it moves. You hit the curb, you stop. Same applies here. You act. You accomplish. You cannot accomplish without an act or some sort. I do not become a teacher without going to school. I do not become an astronaut without working for NASA. I do not kill hundreds without acting in a manner which will create death. Your logic is piss-poor and the only excuse you have is that you've seen Yoda on screen, and his style impressed you so much there is no amount of logic that will shake your faith in his abilities. None.
"He never fought a Jedi master of his calibar"
BS. The Jedi who Revan killed were warriors in a time of the Golden Age of the Sith.... The Sith Wars. They were lean and mean Sith fightin' machines. Yoda was the greatest living swordsman Jedi (arguably) in a time when, as Mace says "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers". Yoda's "calibre" is significantly less than an ancient Jedi, regardless of your personal feelings on the situation.
"and I believe he would probably die in the first 2 minutes"
Every time I see a time frame quoted like this, it's always from some superably confidant, fanboyish person who hasn't got a logical leg to stand on. Mantis, I have no real beef with you. We haven't clashed or anything. But your stubbornness has called down the Logic Whupass(tm). Consider your argument, if it can be called as such, smited.
This is obviously a good thread to get people riled up. Congratulations to Gryn Jabar. But please, everyone calm down. Everyone here has made good points and no one can shut down their validity. However, to avoid a conflict (Janus has good pics - watch out) let's all just agree - this is a good fight and people have different opinions about it. Peace to all here.
It is SO obvious that no one here is going to change his mind. Mantis, you've made some fair and valid points. Like I said, this is a good thread, a credit to Jabar. However, to avoid great turmoil and a conflict with Janus, who has skill with a server, let's all put this to rest.
PEACE, people. PEACE.
No offense - I just don't want to have a fight with anyone here.