Originally posted by psycho gundam
i know he's stronger, but j'onn can make up for it with combinations by way of using his other...90 or so powers.in a no pis environment MM could pull of some very decent defensive maneuvers that will pretty much render him un-hittable, that coupled with his "almost as strong as superman" stats should give him a decent chance of gaining wins.
In the absolutely worst case scenerio, e.g. J'onn goes head to head without using his other powers, I'd still give him 1-2 out of 10 wins, since his KO of Captain Marvel proves he's strong enough to do it. In boxing terms, I guess he has a "punchers chance", where it's pretty unlikely against a skilled boxer but not impossible if the hit lands just right...
Originally posted by Spire
MM wins.J'onn is 2-3 times as powerful as Superman and 1.84 times as strong. He is also green like kryptonite. This has a physiological effect on Superman and makes Superman weaker. I have all the maths and facts to prove these things.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Do you ever debate for real anymore or do you just do satire? I'm not complaining per se, just wondering.
Sure, when/if I need to.
We are on a board talking about imaginary characters from different universes with different power scales all of which subject to varying treatment under different writers, then add in fanboy powers, ignorance powers and board politics well... It's just for fun, man.
Now, if you're finished trolling me and you have no more inquiries...
Also, I was serious about that MM post.
Superman wins more often than not.
MM best option is using his telepathy. Physically I don't think he can keep up with Clark over a prolonged fight. Clark is a better fighter, and slightly faster, stronger and more durable. More imortantly, he has greater stamina. If this turns into a physical fight, Clark wins a hefty majority. For J'onn to win he needs to attack Clark's mind right from the get go.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Superman wins more often than not.MM best option is using his telepathy. Physically I don't think he can keep up with Clark over a prolonged fight. Clark is a better fighter, and slightly faster, stronger and more durable. More imortantly, he has greater stamina. If this turns into a physical fight, Clark wins a hefty majority. For J'onn to win he needs to attack Clark's mind right from the get go.
What can Supes do if MM just engulfs him? A White Martian nearly took him out with that technique, and MM's demonstrated similar tactics in Ostranders mini.
Theoretically, he can combine the technique he used on Ultraman where he turned himself into a porcupine and spiked every part of his body, with the engulfing strategy. He'd be like a living torture device.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Superman wins more often than not.MM best option is using his telepathy. Physically I don't think he can keep up with Clark over a prolonged fight. Clark is a better fighter, and slightly faster, stronger and more durable. More imortantly, he has greater stamina. If this turns into a physical fight, Clark wins a hefty majority. For J'onn to win he needs to attack Clark's mind right from the get go.
i love how you inadvertantly named what you think is j'onn's best option as being something superman's resistance to has come along leaps and bounds in the last decade or so.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i love how you inadvertantly named what you think is j'onn's best option as being something superman's resistance to has come along leaps and bounds in the last decade or so.
Also in Ostranders MM series, J'onn couldn't locate Superman telepathically when he was in his Clark Kent persona, and MM in the same series was powerful enough to scan the entire Earth for a single individual. MM claimed it was like Superman didn't want to be found.
This was early in Supermans career, after the two met only once. Supes wasn't actively trying to avoid mental detection. Hints of natural mental defenses in Kryptonians?
Originally posted by cdtm
Also in Ostranders MM series, J'onn couldn't locate Superman telepathically when he was in his Clark Kent persona, and MM in the same series was powerful enough to scan the entire Earth for a single individual. MM claimed it was like Superman didn't want to be found.This was early in Supermans career, after the two met only once. Supes wasn't actively trying to avoid mental detection. Hints of natural mental defenses in Kryptonians?
nah. kal is just crazy like that. ive never seen supergirl or pg have that kind of resistance. he's to a normal kryptonian what cap is to a human, after all.
Most Manhunter can do is stall Clark, really. They're in roughly the same bracket, but when push comes to shove, Superman is a level above.
I don't know how many times you guys have to see Wonder Woman, Billy, Manhunter and Green Lantern standing around going "This looks like a job for Superman!" when he's doing 'the impossible' for you to understand that.
Originally posted by Juntai
Most Manhunter can do is stall Clark, really. They're in roughly the same bracket, but when push comes to shove, Superman is a level above.
I don't know how many times you guys have to see Wonder Woman, Billy, Manhunter and Green Lantern standing around going "This looks like a job for Superman!" when he's doing 'the impossible' for you to understand that.
Despite the fact that Superman is portrayed as being superior to everyone else in almost every single arc, it's always considered PIS on KMC.
You should know this by now.
Originally posted by JuntaiI disagree with using Billy, but yes, Superman punches MM's face off.
Most Manhunter can do is stall Clark, really. They're in roughly the same bracket, but when push comes to shove, Superman is a level above.
I don't know how many times you guys have to see Wonder Woman, Billy, Manhunter and Green Lantern standing around going "This looks like a job for Superman!" when he's doing 'the impossible' for you to understand that.
WOW! It seems that superman has 3 kinds of speed and 2 effects.. 1st, he has fan based speed, and second he can bltz at ftl..( which stands for fans that lie ) His effect is to get people banned if they say he lose..wow!!!.. MM wins here, because superman cannot blitz at light speed and he cannot fly much faster than light. 12times light speed is a joke.