Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Jean Grey as part of X-Factor, was simply Jean Grey, a powerful telekinetic in her own right. Jean Grey telepath/telekinetic in X-Men/Uncanny X-Men when adjectiveless X-Men started was still just Jean Grey for a long time. She has been just Jean Grey or endowed with Phoenix on and off in her incredibly convoluted history, however she was not one with Phoenix until after the New X-Men/Endsong retcon.
Are we talking current? The JLA is in shambels and the X-men are out for blood. Look what Despero did to the JLA....and thats one telipath. The JLA would not really be getting along, this whole crisis thing. The X-men on the other hand are desperate and like caged animals after House of M. Currently the X-men would win, because of teamwork and there gumption to win. If we use the whole bloody roster of people? Dear god that would be one large hell of a fight. Both teams have had like 80 members. One thing I would like to say is that DC is an different universe of wrighting, they tend to make everything bigger and badder than the last thing. Marvel on the other hand does a system of stuff. Thier teams seem to go through a Crisis at least 4 times in a decade. Its changeing with DC but still you must look at how they are written. Also, you can't count the X-men out expecialy if the use there whole roster, current or otherwise. I have always been confused on how they aren't seen as the most powerfull team in marvel. There are exceptions, but for the most part they have a roster that is down right scary. I would say the X-men are at least the Avengers of old's equals, at least. There trully powerfull areas are thier telipaths. At anytime they have at least 2 really powerfull ones. They have a wide range of energy weilders and physical fighters. They also fight smart, the psi's would target Flash and Superman first. Havok shoud be enought to give the GL a little problem along with Iceman....and so on. So what I'm saying is, the X-men could win....if done right. So 4/10.
Originally posted by wolverine8888So I guess she just forgot she had unlimited cosmic power when she couldn't do sh!t to stop Cassandra Nova. Her energy signature is still pink in E is for Extinction.
end song is pheniox beign reborn again. e is for extinction takes place good amount be for end song and in this she has pheniox force
No offense to anybody enough with the Phoenix stuff she may be powerful you want to add her in the fight then thats cool. If you are going to add her then add Ion to the JL side of the battlefield and see what happens. For in the comics Ion is just as powerful as Spectre himself and would only need him to take out the entire x-men himself. I mean phoenix can destroy galaxies but Ion can destroy the entire universe by himself. mean if he can manipulate the fabric of reality he alone could could wipe the floor with the entire X-Men. To prove my point about Ion here is the link to his respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/421255_1-parallax-ion-respect-thread
Originally posted by shadow177a17
No offense to anybody enough with the Phoenix stuff she may be powerful you want to add her in the fight then thats cool. If you are going to add her then add Ion to the JL side of the battlefield and see what happens. For in the comics Ion is just as powerful as Spectre himself and would only need him to take out the entire x-men himself. I mean phoenix can destroy galaxies but Ion can destroy the entire universe by himself. mean if he can manipulate the fabric of reality he alone could could wipe the floor with the entire X-Men. To prove my point about Ion here is the link to his respect thread:http://www.killermovies.com/forums/421255_1-parallax-ion-respect-thread
you dont have to suck off ion.
A team that is a student learning how to cope with being "differnet" vs a premier all-star cast of established superheros. bush league vs pro league here.
Originally posted by Trolt
you dont have to suck off ion.A team that is a student learning how to cope with being "differnet" vs a premier all-star cast of established superheros. bush league vs pro league here.
Exactly.
X-Men:
On one hand we have a team of highly competent mutants who, as a whole, have a very diverse set of powers. While the X-Men started off as students learning to control their various abilities, they have now matured to a level where they are a force to reckon with.
JLA:
HOWEVER, on the other side we have a team comprised of individuals that are basically veritable paragons of power. While the X-men have a wide variety of powers AS A GROUP, the JLA has a number of characters that INDIVIDUALLY have the same variety of powers as your average X-men team. Take for example any of the Green Lanterns (the ring can do MUCH much more than simply create green-hued force blasts) to the Martian Manhunter (this guy has more power sets than the average team, eg high-order telepathy, high-order shapeshifting, size augmentation, phasing ability, absorption ability, high-order strength, high-order speed, a range of various extra-sensory perceptions, heat vision, invisibility, etc). Even Superman runs the gamut in terms of abilities (eg force breath, arctic breath, and various other powers that are standard knowledge). Even characters like the Flash (he has been shown using the Speed Force to create GL like constructs) and Aquaman (he has a range of powers, from speed to strength to telepathy to injury resistance to fighting ability - his problem is that his speed seems low compared to the Flash, his strength, whcih enabled him to lift a CITY BLOCK- seems low compared to Wonder Woman's, his telepathy fades contrasted against that of MM, his resistance to injury seems low compared to that of Superman, etc etc. However as an individual he is actually an extremely powerful character, it is just that being in the JLA makes him APPEAR weak by comparison).
Or take FireStorm ....look at what he did to South America!
Then you have a wide range of characters that, again INDIVIDUALLY, are what I call team-stoppers. They can take down most teams by themselves. Examples include virtually any of the JLA (apart from Batman, although his purpose in the league is more along the lines of a cerebral heavy-hitter and 'hail Mary-esque' character rather than a team-destroying powerhouse). The level of power intensity in the league is exceedingly high, and many of them (eg GL, MM, SM, F, WW) could take out a team in less than a second (under KMC rules).
On top of this add that even 'second-rate' Leaguers also have tremendous powers, in some cases higher than the 'prime-members.' For example take Animal Man .....some people would categorize him as a joke, but by tapping into the 'Red' he can destroy the world in an instant. Even Plastic man has several abilities that go beyond mere stretching (for example he is immortal, not dying after being shattered into many small pieces and scatterd for over a millenia, is immune to telepathy, immune to injury, and can assume any shape ....and function in it. EG, if he takes the form of an airplane engine he will actually function as an engine).
Then there is the teamwork aspect (team work by the way is not the sole domain of the X-Men). The JLA is one of the premier teams out there not only because of their individual strengths - which are prodigious - but because of their ability to come together and pool those strengths and abilities into something FAR greater than the sum of its parts. For one they tend to work as a unit (telepathically tied to each other), and in the case of the JLA that is a highly lethal combination (in a KMC match setup, where none of the characters are jobbing and all are bloodlusted and not messing around, there are not many teams that can beat the JLA. Those that can are not your typical 'earth based' teams ....one has to think higher).
Conclusion:
Anyways, the X-Men are a great team. Furthermore they can take almost any challenge that comes their way. They are quite good, and it is no longer the days when all IceMan could do is hurl snowballs or Jean had trouble lifting a cup using her TK.
However for all their abilities the X-Men are simply not a match for the JLA. Even ONE JLA member (eg MM, a GL, SM etc) would give them the time of their lives. The entire JLA ....no way Jose.
The only way the X-Men could win is if they have the Phoenix force in their corner, but that is not really part and parcel of the X-Men. Jean may have it, but the manifestation of the Phoenix would be akin to one of the Green Lanterns manifesting the entire power of Oa (i.e going all Ion/Parallax on them).
The only way the JLA would lose is if the Phoenix was allowed (it shouldn't. but if it is) in which case then the Green Lanterns should be allowed to achieve their utmost zenith.
Anyways, JLA wins 10/10.
Under KMC rules the X-Men wouldn't even have a chance to score a 1/10 win.
The fight would be a competition amongst the various JLA members on who gets to kill the entire team before the passing of a second.
That is a lot of garbage saying the X-Men would win simply because they have the phoenix. In retrospect that is a lot of garbage because people forgot that the Justice League has Ion. He could kick the Phoenix's ass and then some with ease with Ion's capabilities. People totaly underestimatwes him but I believe he can do a lot of damage to the X-Men by just himself.