I'd say that if Rogue starts out by putting her hands on Professor X or has Professor X take control over Flash, then the fight definitely is won by X-men.
X dominates Flash to run over to and stop in front of Rogue... Rogue puts her hands on him... Poor Flash is knocked out...
0.0000000003 microsecond later Rogue has had her hands on all JLA members, leaving them fatigued and her with more power than them all...
Originally posted by stormfront13
[B]his fighting skills and leadership capabilities.
still not going to mean much when the fight can be over in mere seconds...
and she's not alone, and she has also absorbed destiny allowing her to know of any attack before it happens.
not when your opponent moves faster than thought...
she has absorbed both jean grey and xavier making her a match for martain manhunter in the psionic department.
if she has the time to challenge him...
she absorbed shadowcat allowing her to phase.
stil no use against enemies infinitely faster than her...
she absorbed hulk allowing her to get stronger.
superman is stronger...
she absorbed rachel grey while she was phoenix.
we're giving her phoenix powers now?
she absorbed bishop allowing her to absorb any energy thrown at her.
even bishop has a limit...
she absorbed joseph and magneto making her very powerful with magnetics she absorbed nightcrawler and spiderman and northstar so she has the spider sense allowing her to teleport out of danger or fly out of it.
still not fast enough to dodge a speedblitz...
she absorbed iceman.
he knows f*ck all about his own powers, and she'll be just as bad...
she absorbed celia allowing her to have more protection.
from someone like superman or wonder woman? no...
she absorbed temptress giving her vast magical abilities. she absorbed cloak so she can end people into the drak dimension, and she absorbed dagger allowing her to drain the light out of people.
still no good against the green lantern (and again someone(superman, flash) who moves faster than thought)...
she absorbed colossus so she is even more durable. she absorbed wolverine giving her a healign factor.
still doesnt compare to superman...
she absorbed crarlet witch and longshot so she can turn the fight in favor of the x-men and alter reality.
she got wandas upgrade too?
she absorbed wolverine so she can have bone claws and a healing factor.
absolutely no use whatsoever...
she has also absorbed storm giving her coltrol over the weather.
no good when you opponent moves faster than thought...
if this rogue is allowed she will be tough to take down. and combine this rogue with maybe jean grey, the x-men definitley have a chance of winning
jean on her own in her current form would do it, without her the x-men are going down...
the jla are way out of the x-mens league...
what are you talking about? it will take more than one punch to put down this rogue. those aren't all the people that she has absorbed, just the ones from the top of my head. it'll take more than one punch from the flash to put down rogue. it took superman a lot just to put down the hulk and she has the hulk inside her combined with a lot more derability and more powers.
Originally posted by stormfront13
what are you talking about? it will take more than one punch to put down this rogue. those aren't all the people that she has absorbed, just the ones from the top of my head. it'll take more than one punch from the flash to put down rogue. it took superman a lot just to put down the hulk and she has the hulk inside her combined with a lot more derability and more powers.
she cant combine them all at the same time, the mental feedback would kill her...
superman is stronger than base level hulk, he'd squash rogue...
the flash would put her down... or he could always do his famed "vibration to make her explode" thing...
<<jean on her own in her current form would do it, without her the x-men are going down...
the jla are way out of the x-mens league...>.
'fraid i pretty have to agree with this . . . jla is a collection of the greatest/most powerful heroes in all of dc. AND they work brilliantly as a team. would ANY of the xmen make the list (phoenix aside) for a top 10 list of the greatest/most powerful heroes in marvel? charlie would, but would any of the others . . .?
jla all the way unless phoenix is the ringer.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<jean on her own in her current form would do it, without her the x-men are going down...
the jla are way out of the x-mens league...>.'fraid i pretty have to agree with this . . . jla is a collection of the greatest/most powerful heroes in all of dc. AND they work brilliantly as a team. would ANY of the xmen make the list (phoenix aside) for a top 10 list of the greatest/most powerful heroes in marvel? charlie would, but would any of the others . . .?
jla all the way unless phoenix is the ringer.
yea its a really lopsided match either way... jean without manifesting phoenix, easy JLA win in about 3 seconds... jean manifesting the phoenix, x-men win easily.
<<yea its a really lopsided match either way... jean without manifesting phoenix, easy JLA win in about 3 seconds... jean manifesting the phoenix, x-men win easily.>>
agreed. be interesting to see jla tackle phoenix though. if she has full command, it's a slaughter, but if she's only got a portion that might be more interesting considering how strong mm and am are in the mental department . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
<<yea its a really lopsided match either way... jean without manifesting phoenix, easy JLA win in about 3 seconds... jean manifesting the phoenix, x-men win easily.>>agreed. be interesting to see jla tackle phoenix though. if she has full command, it's a slaughter, but if she's only got a portion that might be more interesting considering how strong mm and am are in the mental department . . .
well.. it depends on her mental state and whether or not she allows herself to die... at certain times she simply can't be killed (like in endsong where wolverine "kills" her about 10 times, or in new x-men when she resurrects in the sun). Her powers are limited by her subconscious and the situation. If the x-men are in danger, she rises to the occasion.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Oh, if it is all the members of the JLA VS all the members of X-Men, the X-Men are screwed.Why?
One word: Spectre.
Also: Dr. Fate, all the Green Laterns, Zauriel, Superman, MM, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Flash(es).
Spectre isn't a regular member of the team though. I thought that was more of a one-time thing with Hal, although I'm not sure exactly how it is...
hmm, maybe:
thor
hulk
ironman
surfer
strange
charlie
captain america
spidey
sue
scarlet witch (current?)
i left jean/phoenix out of it, but it depends on her level of control. it's really hard finding marvel females that make the list, and i'm sure i've left out others. guys like black bolt and the eternals i discounted because part of the popularity of the jla is that the characters ARE popular - for the most part the most popular characters in dc. so i think popularity of characters should play a part in picking the team. my 10 v
superman
martian manhunter
wonder woman
aquaman
batman
green lantern
flash
captain marvel (a long time member at one point)
dr. fate
plastic man (one of personal faves though perhaps not the greatest pick!)
now if THOSE 2 teams squared off, THAT would be a battle . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, maybe:thor
hulk
ironman
surfer
strange
charlie
captain america
spidey
sue
scarlet witch (current?)i left jean/phoenix out of it, but it depends on her level of control. it's really hard finding marvel females that make the list, and i'm sure i've left out others. guys like black bolt and the eternals i discounted because part of the popularity of the jla is that the characters ARE popular - for the most part the most popular characters in dc. so i think popularity of characters should play a part in picking the team. my 10 v
superman
martian manhunter
wonder woman
aquaman
batman
green lantern
flash
captain marvel (a long time member at one point)
dr. fate
plastic man (one of personal faves though perhaps not the greatest pick!)now if THOSE 2 teams squared off, THAT would be a battle . . .
i'd buy that comic...
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, maybe:thor
hulk
ironman
surfer
strange
charlie
captain america
spidey
sue
scarlet witch (current?)i left jean/phoenix out of it, but it depends on her level of control. it's really hard finding marvel females that make the list, and i'm sure i've left out others. guys like black bolt and the eternals i discounted because part of the popularity of the jla is that the characters ARE popular - for the most part the most popular characters in dc. so i think popularity of characters should play a part in picking the team. my 10 v
superman
martian manhunter
wonder woman
aquaman
batman
green lantern
flash
captain marvel (a long time member at one point)
dr. fate
plastic man (one of personal faves though perhaps not the greatest pick!)now if THOSE 2 teams squared off, THAT would be a battle . . .
captain america? you mean a less smart version of batman? 😛
My personal pick, based on popularity and power:
Thor
Hulk
Spiderman
Wolverine
Jean/Phoenix
Storm
Invisible Woman
Iron Man
Dr. Strange
Silver Surfer
Prof. X is useless when Jean can walk and telekinetize. 😛
I think this team could take JLA, while having plenty of popular characters.
You guys are forgetting how ridiculously powerful telepaths are in Marvel. The X-men do have that advantage working to their side when fighting the JLA. Phoenix, Phoenix II/Marvel Girl aka Rachel, Professor X, White Queen, Cable with his virus in check uber powerful, etc...They could turn off a lot of the weaker JLA members brains easily (I'm not calling Batman weak, but if the X-men hit him with a telepathic assault it's endgame for him), and the others not so easily.
Not to mention that Iceman is one of the most powerful mutants in Marvel right now, and he's still not as good as he could be. I've seen him litterally freeze someone's blood with just a thought, absorb a river to become a giant. Use your imagination, there are plenty of icey ways to die.
Lorna has been upgraded in power. She may be a poor man's Magneto, but even then she is still a very formidable force.
If Batman brings any electrical equipment Shadowcat will screw it up. She'd be the hardest to hit. I do not know who could hit her unless she was taken by surprise it'd have to be a mental assault.
Storm can make things miserable for any enemy as long she keeps a safe distance.
The X-men fight very well as a team, especially when Cyclops is on the battlefield.
However, if JLA surprises X-men i'd see them winning easily from the speed advantage. If X-men, surprise the JLA then I think their telepathic capabilities are too overpowering. The X-men would win easily.
I admit I know a lot more about the X-men than I do about the JLA, but i'd still give the X-men a fighting chance. I think it could go either way if each side knows the fight is coming. That'd give the X-men enough time to get all their little shields and the telekinetic things ready for the onslaught of JLA speed.
With prep time? Well, the X-men don't really use a lot of machinery, they rely on their powers mostly. So i'm inclined to think the JLA takes it with prep time and knowledge of the others.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
You guys are forgetting how ridiculously powerful telepaths are in Marvel. The X-men do have that advantage working to their side when fighting the JLA. Phoenix, Phoenix II/Marvel Girl aka Rachel, Professor X, White Queen, Cable with his virus in check uber powerful, etc...They could turn off a lot of the weaker JLA members brains easily (I'm not calling Batman weak, but if the X-men hit him with a telepathic assault it's endgame for him), and the others not so easily.Not to mention that Iceman is one of the most powerful mutants in Marvel right now, and he's still not as good as he could be. I've seen him litterally freeze someone's blood with just a thought, absorb a river to become a giant. Use your imagination, there are plenty of icey ways to die.
Lorna has been upgraded in power. She may be a poor man's Magneto, but even then she is still a very formidable force.
If Batman brings any electrical equipment Shadowcat will screw it up. She'd be the hardest to hit. I do not know who could hit her unless she was taken by surprise it'd have to be a mental assault.
Storm can make things miserable for any enemy as long she keeps a safe distance.
The X-men fight very well as a team, especially when Cyclops is on the battlefield.
However, if JLA surprises X-men i'd see them winning easily from the speed advantage. If X-men, surprise the JLA then I think their telepathic capabilities are too overpowering. The X-men would win easily.
I admit I know a lot more about the X-men than I do about the JLA, but i'd still give the X-men a fighting chance. I think it could go either way if each side knows the fight is coming. That'd give the X-men enough time to get all their little shields and the telekinetic things ready for the onslaught of JLA speed.
With prep time? Well, the X-men don't really use a lot of machinery, they rely on their powers mostly. So i'm inclined to think the JLA takes it with prep time and knowledge of the others.
the thing is, most of the telepaths are easily taken out in less than the blink of an eye by people like Flash and Superman. The X-men have ridiculously powerful telepaths, the JLA have ridiculously powerful speed levels and a super powerful telepath too (MM). Thats why the JLA win unless Jean is manifesting the Phoenix.