Does The Bible Contradict It's self?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That's the answer I was hoping you'd give...you DONT KNOW....thanks for finally admitting it.

The Bible is incomplete...

* then, would you admit that your question is irrelevant? knowing that the Bible does not supply the answer, yet you still questioned it?

* the Bible is really incomplete...

"And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day."
Joshua 10:13

* this account was also written in the book of Jashar, and the book of Jashar was nowhere to be found... so, literally speaking, the Bible is really incomplete...

* but when it comes to salvation, the ways for a person to be good in the eyes of God...

"Seek and read from the book of the LORD: Not one of these shall be missing; none shall be without her mate. For the mouth of the LORD has commanded, and his Spirit has gathered them."
Isaiah 34:16

* in terms of salvation, the Bible is complete...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So ...

...what.....?

I am sure Adam and Eve didn't imagine that thier "father" would not only banish them into a life of hardship, and destroy a perfectly good garden, but also send thier future generations to a realm of eternal torture...

* yes, Adam and Eve did not imagine things like that, but it happened... all because Satan had deceived them...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, but all of those actions had SEVERE consequences didn't it ?

So Satan exists in Hell and still has the power to influence us, even though God can easily keep Satan away from us, and we'd pretty much follow God and it'd be all good...

But no..like an irresponsible drunken excuse for a father, God allows evil forces to tamper, provoke, seduce, and torture our beings while in life....

* Satan is not in hell, my friend, hell is the punishment for Satan and his minions...

"Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour."
I Peter 5:8

* Satan prowls around seeking someone to devour... what should we do?

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
James 4:7

* we should submit ourselves to God and resist Satan...

"We know that any one born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him."
I John 5:18

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Would you say God is rational?

Would you say it is rational to send your first Son and Daughter to Hell ? And then on top of that, send millions and millions of people to Hell afterward, even though they did nothing wrong? Just for being born...?

Would a rational being even CREATE a place like Hell ?

* what the heck are you thinking, my friend? tell me, where and when did God send even a single person to hell with no good reason?

* and according to the Bible, there's no person at this time in hell nor in heaven...

* the creation of hell is NOT for good people -> it is for Satan, his minions, and those people who side with him... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* i did not say that Moses is a false prophet... i just answered your question: "how is one to determine which parts are true, and which parts are false?" and the Bible says that we should not believe every spirit but test them first if they are of God...

If some of the conclusions of Moses are erroneous, then some of his teachings are false. This makes him a false prophet.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the morning stars are not literal stars...

"As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
Revelation 1:20

* stars symbolizes God's angels...

This is in reference to the seven stars in the right hand of God in Revelation, not the morning stars in Job.

Originally posted by peejayd
* Genesis 2:19 says EVERY beast and EVERY bird was formed out of the ground...

The creation account in Genesis 2 is the one in question.

Originally posted by peejayd
* what i mean was, is the word "account" or "generations" or even "histories" (in other translation) refers to the entire Creation or not? 😉

The term account refers to the entire creation . . . that took place in one day.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If some of the conclusions of Moses are erroneous, then some of his teachings are false. This makes him a false prophet.

* nope, in Moses' time, his teachings are not false... for example, the doctrine of giving tithes or 10% is okay in the time of Moses... but in the time of Christianity, the doctrine of giving tithes is already obsolete, the doctrine is now according to what your heart dictates, II Corinthians 9:7...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is in reference to the seven stars in the right hand of God in Revelation, not the morning stars in Job.

* the stars symbolizes God's angels, you just can't accept that fact because your pre-conceived idea - that the stars were created first - would be destroyed...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The creation account in Genesis 2 is the one in question.

* in which it should not be... because of the simple fact of the keywords: BROUGHT FORTH and FORMED... if those two are synonymous, then it would contradict just like you think it was...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The term account refers to the entire creation . . . that took place in one day.

* the term account refers to the entire creation, in which the Bible says "in the day that God made the earth and heavens"... and NOT one day like you always imply... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* nope, in Moses' time, his teachings are not false... for example, the doctrine of giving tithes or 10% is okay in the time of Moses... but in the time of Christianity, the doctrine of giving tithes is already obsolete, the doctrine is now according to what your heart dictates, II Corinthians 9:7...

Either the conclusions of Moses regarding the creation are correct, or they are not.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the stars symbolizes God's angels, you just can't accept that fact because your pre-conceived idea - that the stars were created first - would be destroyed...

God is referencing the stars of creation:

Job 38:4-7

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth . . . When the morning stars sang together . . . ?"

Originally posted by peejayd
* in which it should not be... because of the simple fact of the keywords: BROUGHT FORTH and FORMED... if those two are synonymous, then it would contradict just like you think it was...

If every animal was formed from the earth, then why would God command the water to bring forth some of the animals?

Originally posted by peejayd
* the term account refers to the entire creation, in which the Bible says "in the day that God made the earth and heavens"... and NOT one day like you always imply... 😉

The term "account" does refer to the entire creation . . . that takes place in one day:

Genesis 2:4

This is the account of the heavens and the earth, in the day that the LORD God made creation.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Either the conclusions of Moses regarding the creation are correct, or they are not.

* the narration of Moses is correct, some of his conclusions are not...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
God is referencing the stars of creation:

Job 38:4-7

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth . . . When the morning stars sang together . . . ?"

* if the morning stars are literal stars in heaven -> prove now how the heck they sang...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If every animal was formed from the earth, then why would God command the water to bring forth some of the animals?

* maybe you should read this first...

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens.
So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."
Genesis 1:20-21

* and this...

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so.
And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."
Genesis 1:24-25

* sigh...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The term "account" does refer to the entire creation . . . that takes place in one day:

Genesis 2:4

This is the account of the heavens and the earth, in the day that the LORD God made creation.

* the verse only says "the day" and NOT "one day"... 😕

Originally posted by peejayd
* the narration of Moses is correct, some of his conclusions are not...

The erroneous conclusions of Moses are included in his teachings. If some of his conclusions are false, then some of his teachings are false.

Originally posted by peejayd
* if the morning stars are literal stars in heaven -> prove now how the heck they sang...

It is not my argument that the morning stars literally sang. To the contrary, it is my argument that The Bible is not to be interpreted literally.

Originally posted by peejayd
* maybe you should read this first...

* and this...

* sigh...

Maybe you should answer the question that I posed to you.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the verse only says "the day" and NOT "one day"... 😕

The day is one day.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The erroneous conclusions of Moses are included in his teachings. If some of his conclusions are false, then some of his teachings are false.

* YOUR conclusion is false...

"When the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, Moses, Moses! And he said, Here am I."
Exodus 3:4

* in the time of Moses, his teachings are true... for example, the people in his time believed that it was really God who appeared to Moses from the burning bush...

"Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush."
Acts 7:30

* but in the time of Christianity, it was revealed that it was only angel and NOT God Himself...

* so, you see, the doctrine that we should recognize today is the one from Christ and not from Moses...

"He was still speaking, when lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him."
Matthew 17:5

* we should listen to Christ...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is not my argument that the morning stars literally sang. To the contrary, it is my argument that The Bible is not to be interpreted literally.

* then do not conclude that the morning stars in the book of Job were literal stars...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Maybe you should answer the question that I posed to you.

* if you just read the verses i posted earlier, you should have read that both the earth and the waters brought forth animals...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The day [b]is one day. [/B]

* which is YOUR conclusion... the Bible only says THE DAY and not one day... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* YOUR conclusion is false...

* in the time of Moses, his teachings are true... for example, the people in his time believed that it was really God who appeared to Moses from the burning bush...

* but in the time of Christianity, it was revealed that it was only angel and NOT God Himself...

* so, you see, the doctrine that we should recognize today is the one from Christ and not from Moses...

* we should listen to Christ...

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, both Adam and the animals were created first before Eve...

"Then God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
Genesis 1:26

* this is the pronouncement of God - to make man in His image... God did not include woman...

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
Genesis 1:27

* this passage is not from God, but a conclusion made by the writer, Moses...

Is it your argument that the conclusion of Moses is not false?

Originally posted by peejayd
* then do not conclude that the morning stars in the book of Job were literal stars...

Do not argue that The Bible is to be interpreted literally when it suites your argument, and figuratively when it does not.

Originally posted by peejayd
* if you just read the verses i posted earlier, you should have read that both the earth and the waters brought forth animals...

In Genesis 1:20-22, God creates birds from the water, but in Genesis 2:19, God creates birds from the ground. Both cannot be correct.

Originally posted by peejayd
* which is YOUR conclusion... the Bible only says THE DAY and not one day... 😉

“This is the account of [grammar and spelling], in the day that [Adam_PoE] made [a post].”

Clearly, the day does not refer to a single period of 24 hours. 🙄

this passage is not from God, but a conclusion made by the writer, Moses...

ADAM! There is a naked woman on the ground! Call 911! She looks like she needs HELP!

Nah...........he said what is that?...........and what do I do with It?.........and god said.......Ok Adam.........you got to make babies and this is how you do it...............and Eve said WTF??? ........lol

Originally posted by debbiejo
Nah...........he said what is that?...........and what do I do with It?.........and god said.......Ok Adam.........you got to make babies and this is how you do it...............and Eve said WTF??? ........lol

The idea of God giving Adam the Birds & the Bees talk makes me giggle. And I don't know why.

Because...its stupid.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Is it your argument that the conclusion of Moses is not false?

* Moses' doctrines in his time is good and true... in the time of Christianity, the laws were changed, amended and perfected by Christ...

"And by him every one that believeth is justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."
Acts 13:39

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Do not argue that The Bible is to be interpreted literally when it suites your argument, and figuratively when it does not.

* and when did i say that the Bible should only be interpreted literally? or only figuratively? we should practice to divide the Word of Truth rightly and not just to suit our own argument...

* don't twist the subject, kiddo... you claimed the stars were created first before the earth in the book of Job... therefore, you interpret those stars as literal stars... you are the one who tries to contradict the Scriptures to suit your argument, not me...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:20-22, God creates birds from the water, but in Genesis 2:19, God creates birds from the ground. Both cannot be correct.

* yes, both cannot be correct... because the Bible did not say that the birds were created from the waters in Genesis 1:20-22... it is only your conclusion, and your conclusion is a misinterpretation...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
“This is the account of [grammar and spelling], in the day that [Adam_PoE] made [a post].”

Clearly, the day does not refer to a single period of 24 hours. 🙄

* yeah right... remember the article "A" and "AN"? they are for singular modifications... remember the article "THE"? it is used for both singular and plural... again, your conclusion is a blatant misinterpretation... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* Moses' doctrines in his time is good and true... in the time of Christianity, the laws were changed, amended and perfected by Christ...

"And by him every one that believeth is justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."
Acts 13:39

Moses concludes in Genesis 1:27 that man and woman were created simultaneously. By your own admission, this conclusion is erroneous. Either man was created before woman, or man and woman were created simultaneously. Both cannot be correct.

Originally posted by peejayd
* and when did i say that the Bible should only be interpreted literally? or only figuratively? we should practice to divide the Word of Truth rightly and not just to suit our own argument...

You should practice what you preach.

Originally posted by peejayd
* don't twist the subject, kiddo... you claimed the stars were created first before the earth in the book of Job... therefore, you interpret those stars as literal stars... you are the one who tries to contradict the Scriptures to suit your argument, not me...

It is your argument that The Bible is to be interpreted literally. I am simply holding you to your own argument.

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, both cannot be correct... because the Bible did not say that the birds were created from the waters in Genesis 1:20-22... it is only your conclusion, and your conclusion is a misinterpretation...

If the birds were formed from the earth, then why did God simply not command the earth to bring forth the birds?

Originally posted by peejayd
* yeah right... remember the article "A" and "AN"? they are for singular modifications... remember the article "THE"? it is used for both singular and plural... again, your conclusion is a blatant misinterpretation... 😉

The articles a, an, and the may be used generically to refer to a class, IF the noun being modified is plural. Day, however, is a singular noun.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The articles a, an, and the may be used generically to refer to a class, IF the noun being modified is plural. Day, however, is a singular noun.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moses concludes in Genesis 1:27 that man and woman were created simultaneously. By your own admission, this conclusion is erroneous. Either man was created before woman, or man and woman were created simultaneously. Both cannot be correct.

* your stubbornness to accept the Bible always makes you think big deal about YOUR contradictions...

* in Genesis 1:26, God created man... in Genesis 1:27, Moses clearly had made his own conclusion that God had made both man and woman whilst Genesis 1:26 only says man... in Genesis 2:18-23, it is clear on Moses' narration that man really was created first before woman...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You should practice what you preach.

* please reason intelligently...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is your argument that The Bible is to be interpreted literally. I am simply holding you to your own argument.

* i did not say that the Bible should be interpreted literally... is it alright to lie just to prove a statement? please compose yourself...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If the birds were formed from the earth, then why did God simply not command the earth to bring forth the birds?

* you are not the Creator, are you?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The articles a, an, and the may be used generically to refer to a class, IF the noun being modified is plural. Day, however, is a singular noun.

* articles "A" and "AN" are never used on plural modifications, with the exceptions of collective nouns, please review English 101... article "THE" is used both on plural and singular... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* your stubbornness to accept the Bible always makes you think big deal about YOUR contradictions...

It is not my conclusion that is false, it is the conclusion of Moses:

Originally posted by peejayd
* in Genesis 1:26, God created man... in Genesis 1:27, Moses clearly had made his own conclusion that God had made both man and woman whilst Genesis 1:26 only says man... in Genesis 2:18-23, it is clear on Moses' narration that man really was created first before woman...

Originally posted by peejayd
* please reason intelligently...

Perhaps I should follow your example of intelligent reasoning, and resort to questioning the intelligence of another.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i did not say that the Bible should be interpreted literally... is it alright to lie just to prove a statement? please compose yourself...

If The Bible is not to be interpreted literally, then why are you arguing over the order of creation?

Originally posted by peejayd
* you are not the Creator, are you?

In other words, you cannot answer my question.

Originally posted by peejayd
* articles "A" and "AN" are never used on plural modifications, with the exceptions of collective nouns, please review English 101... article "THE" is used both on plural and singular... 😉

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The articles a, an, and the may be used generically to refer to a class, IF the noun being modified is plural. Day, however, is a singular noun.

Who needs a review in the English language again?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is not my conclusion that is false, it is the conclusion of Moses:

* then, it's settled...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Perhaps I should follow your example of intelligent reasoning, and resort to questioning the intelligence of another.

* or perhaps being personal with no regards to the topic:

You should practice what you preach.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If The Bible is not to be interpreted literally, then why are you arguing over the order of creation?

* you are disordering the order of Creation... there is no order for you because your stand is the contradictions, remember?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In other words, you cannot answer my question.

* my answer is true, you are not the Creator, God formed the birds out of the ground and was brought forth by waters...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Who needs a review in the English language again?

* good, so THE DAY is not ONE DAY... 😉