Also, evolutionary theorists run in to MAJOR problems when they try to explain how something like a cell evolved.
A human cell for example, as many of you probably know, is made up of (among other things) mitochondria, the nucleus, ribosomes, lysosomes, edoplasmic reticulum, the golgi apparatus, and so forth. If so much as ONE of these components does not function, or were not present, the entire cell would not function, would die, or have otherwise adverse effects. In fact, the cell would likely fall apart and would not be cohesive.
Assume human beings evolved from amino acids, to simple cells, to complex cells, and so on and so on, to apes, and finally to huamans. All throughout this evolution, it would be required that each and every part of the cell would have to evolve 100% perfectly so as to function on its own and also so as to function as a part of the overall celullar system. The cell must start out from random amino acids, and progress PERFECTLY all along the way. Each time one component changes, all the rest much change so as to work with the first changed one, but also they must keep working not only on their own but also with all of the other componenets that are now also required to change.
I wish I could more aptly express what I am trying to. In any case, evolutionary scientists stear clear of this topic because they don't want anything to do with it.
As far as I've read, Quantum, string, wave theory is in fact proving that there is a force, God, intelligence connecting us all together..Something that keeps the wheels turning...I find that quite exciting. It also has been proving that metaphysics is indeed natural and a gift from God and not a superstitious thing anymore. Science IS good for some things. 📖
There is also the... I forget what it is called, but the theory which talks about how there are 30 some odd constants in the universe, numbers that are very specific and small, like the weight of a proton or the force of a gluon and so forth, that if even one of these numbers was any different by even the smallest, most indetectable amount, terrible things would happen, from life not being able to exist to the universe collapsing in on itself. The universe is perfectly designed for us.
Also, it is very interesting to note that the planet earth just so happens to be located in the most optimum place in the galaxy for observing the galaxy around us. If we were orbiting anywhere else, various cosmological phenomenon would intefere with our ability to study the stars, or it would just not be so easy or we could simply not see as much.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
There is also the... I forget what it is called, but the theory which talks about how there are 30 some odd constants in the universe, numbers that are very specific and small, like the weight of a proton or the force of a gluon and so forth, that if even one of these numbers was any different by even the smallest, most indetectable amount, terrible things would happen, from life not being able to exist to the universe collapsing in on itself. The universe is perfectly designed for us.
I read that also....
I do believe that we are not the only planet that has life...Couldn't be.
to many other stars, universes...Billions....
The 1st law of thermodynamics pretty much proves that a god of some kind has to exist.how does it prove it?
Also, evolutionary theorists run in to MAJOR problems when they try to explain how something like a cell evolvedand the naive explanation from a religious persons dont?
There is also the... I forget what it is called, but the theory which talks about how there are 30 some odd constants in the universe30 we think we know of at present time, who said we figured out stuff yet. We just think we have
The universe is perfectly designed for us.no it is to big for us, the distances is beyond our comprehension so how can it be perfectly designed for us
Also, it is very interesting to note that the planet earth just so happens to be located in the most optimum place in the galaxy for observing the galaxy around us.observing it with our means
....The means our creator knew we would have. Also, we are able to use science to predict what is possible beyond our means, and this statement is based on that prediction, not just the technology we have.
as far as the 1st law of thermodynamics.... ok here goes.
Physicists now believe that quarks decay into antiquarks, pions and positive electrons, and electromagnetic radiation.2 This decay process occurs at a rate of only once per proton per 1032 years. Consequently, since this process is irreversible, all the atoms in the universe will eventually decay into irretrievable matter. Even though this process of decay will take an enormously long period of time, it is not infinite.
Because of proton decay, we know that the universe has not been around forever. That's not something we really have to prove, most people believe in that, and believe in the big bang or whatever, but it's there for the sake of completeness.
It does also prove, however, that the oscillating universe theory is not correct (it has been widely abandoned by most physicists. This theory said that the universe is a cycle. According to it, the big bang happens, the universe expands, the universe implodes, and it happens all over again. The proton decay proves that this could not be so because all matter itself would have broken down long ago.
Given that, the first law of thermodynamics, which we know to be true almost without any hope that we could be wrong, says that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. We also know to this same level of certainty that matter is just another form of matter (E=mc^2).
This leaves us with two conclusions that cannot both be true! Energy and matter can not be created, but the matter in the universe has not been around forever and came into existence at some point. 😱
Good..good...Also, I feel that energy can change from one form to another. It can become more dense as in matter, or less dense as in invisible like thoughts, emotions,etc..In fact the space between us is just as alive as we are...That's why metaphysics works...It has been confirmed by science.
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm
^ Confirms that the invisible such as thoughts do react with matter.
Also, it has been proven with studies on plants...Good Stuff.
Originally posted by finti
again how does the 1st law of thermodynamics prove some god to exist?
That matter in the universe havent been around forever doesnt prove a god
To make it really simple, because the 1st law says that matter CANNOT be created out of nothing. However, since it has NOT been around forever, that means it had to have been created at one point.
So we have the scientific fact that at some point in history all matter came into being out of nowhere, and the scientific fact that matter can never come into being out of nowhere. They are both true, and they both contradict one another (and not on a Relativity/Quantum physics contradictory way, either... this is on a much more fundamental and deeper level).
(This has led some scientists to even use the word "supernatural" as being a necessity when it comes to the creation of the universe.)
To make it really simple, because the 1st law says that matter CANNOT be created out of nothing. However, since it has NOT been around forever, that means it had to have been created at one pointthat is not the same as a god being the creative power, we really dont understand our universe and it is all theories. The only way to prove those thories is to reconstruct the events.
So to say 1st law prove a god is not correct and it is the easy way out
No, it's not. There are plenty of scientists who have stopped being atheists simply because of this specific and this type of knowledge.
It's not about not understanding. There is no doubt whatsoever that the 1st law of thermodynamics is true. There is zero possibility it is wrong in any way. It's not some theory, or generally accepted concept of science. The 1st law of thermodynamics is more definite than to say that 1+1=2.
And I would also ask this: why is it that when a religious person tells a science person that science can not explain something and it does not make sense, the scientist readily responds with, "We don't understand everything, all we can do is continue to learn," and that is supposed to be sufficient, but when a science person tells a religious person that religion cannot explain something or does not make sense and the religious person says, "We don't understand everything, we can only hope to try," it is not acceptable?
There is no doubt whatsoever that the 1st law of thermodynamics is true.as far as we know NOW
There is zero possibility it is wrong in any way.thas a bold statement, just as bold as those who said titanic couldnt sink, the world is flat
And I would also ask this: why is it that when a religious person tells a science person that science can not explain something and it does not make sense, the scientist readily responds with, "We don't understand everything, all we can do is continue to learn," and that is supposed to be sufficient, but when a science person tells a religious person that religion cannot explain something or does not make sense and the religious person says, "We don't understand everything, we can only hope to try," it is not acceptable?mainly because what you posted seldom are the respons of religious persons, if they answered the way you put it I would accept that answer just as well as the answer the scientist used.
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
This leaves us with two conclusions that cannot both be true! Energy and matter can not be created, but the matter in the universe has not been around forever and came into existence at some point. 😱
You are misrepresenting the Law of Conservation of Energy. The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that energy can be transferred from on system to another in various forms but cannot be created or destroyed.
Therefore, it is quite possible for matter to have always existed; in another form, e.g energy, or in another system, e.g. a parallel dimension.