Dr. Strange vs Zantana

Whether is natural or given by his artifacts, it should be posted in official bios that hes the most powerful telepath on earth right? I mean c'mon, thats a pretty big title. Its never been stated in any bio except for the made up one you previously posted.

Hulk is the strongest mortal in the MU, but it doesnt count cause his powers arent natural right? No. Eventhough Hulk's powers arent natural, Marvel STILL says hes the strongest mortal on Earth. You make no sence at all. If Strange is indeed Earths most powerful telepath(which hes not), Marvel would state it whether its natural or not.

Nor does any official bio state that he's a master at any form of fighting or martial arts. Or was that given to him by the Eye of Agamtto as well? No more excuses please. Strange is none of these things you say he is. Marvel doesnt even say it. I guess youre right and theyre wrong huh?

And yes I have plenty comics with Strange in it. Youre still wrong. Keep trying though. One more for the good guys. 💃 💃

Dude, before someone else reems you for not knowing what you're talking about, read up on exactly what the eye of agamotto is capable of in the hands of Strange.

I don't really care to prove to you anything, I already know....if you don't, oh well.

"And yes I have plenty comics with Strange in it."
But do you have a Dr. Strange comic?
Didn't think so.

Go read up, then come back.

Originally posted by long pig
Dude, before someone else reems you for not knowing what you're talking about, read up on exactly what the eye of agamotto is capable of in the hands of Strange.

I don't really care to prove to you anything, I already know....if you don't, oh well.

Being capable of doing something and actually doing something, or being something for that matter are 2 difrferent things my friend.

You failed to prove anything because you cant prove anything. Unless that is if youre right and Marvel is wrong. from the looks of it, you know nothing. Just assumptions and false information.

Strange bieng a master at all Earth froms of martial arts? I guess that would make him one of the top 5 fighters on Earth ehh?

Strange being the most powerful telepath on Earth? So I gues Prof X, The Summers family, and Emma Frost are just low levels compared to him huh?

But I dont know what im talking abuut? Youre clearly mistaken. Nice try.

Keep the Faith 💃 💃

You're almost as annoying as Whirley, especially when you have no clue what you're talking about.
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I know. Thanks for proving me wrong.
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You're going to make me dig through my stash of ST's to prove you wrong aren't you?
Fine, but off the top of my head, he's wiped whole city's minds clean, he can mind link to every human being on earth by agamotto.....blah blah

I'll be back with some proof.

Wiped whole city's minds clean means hes the most powerful telepath on Earth? Nope.

Mind link to every human being n Earth? When was this? And it also doesnt mean that hes the most powerful telepath on the planet.

Yes please come back with proof.

During "Baptism", Zatanna briefly went insane and transmuted the entire moon.

She also was responsible for the restoration of Metropolis after "Zero Hour". Blah blah blah.

Strange's martial arts background: Hand to hand was part of his over all mental physical and spiritual training during the years he spend in the Ancient One's monastery. He and Wong trained together daily for all those years in the Villiage (Greenwich, not Kamar-Taj) This has been stated and described many times over the years. Noteworthy examples include when Baron Mordo poisonned the Ancient One and fought Strange HtH in their Astral forms, when strange fought Dormamu HtH in the Dark Dimension, and against the magehunter Silver Dagger. Someone like Iron fist or Lady Shiva or whomever would beat Strange in HtH, but not Zatana. Occasional workouts with Batman or Black Canary do not match years of personal instruction from Shao-lin type guys.

Being something of an innate mystic, Zatana does have some magical advantages over Strange, but not many. Given that they are both extremely powerful and versitile it is difficult to draw direct power-to-power comparisons.
Such being the case, I would second longpig's assertion that we judge them by their deeds and acomplishments.

Strange's are greater. Strange has been the Universe's first line of defence against magical threats for many years, and he succeeds. He has defeated cosmic gods from beyond the Universe of their home turf many times, and even rebuked his own patrons when they attempted to take controll of him. He has fended off all challengers to his mantle of Supremacy, including one from another galaxy who had stolen most of his mystical trinkets. He is regaurded as a peer by the mightiest Sorcerors of other realities.

How does Zatana's career compare to that?

Re bios and encyclopedias: You cant codnense the totality of a subject into a few paragraphs. When you get to college don't ever site an encyclopedia entry in a research paper, your grade will suffer.

Re telepathy: Your analogy about the Hulk is false. Here is a correct one...
Saying that using the Eye of Agomotto cant exceed Xavier in some ways is like saying that someone operating a crane cant use it to lift more than Captain America can bench press because Cap is the peak of human physical potential.

Zatana once transformed the moon? Strange has a spell that would unmake the entire universe in one week.

He's not the best at everything, but Id say he's pound-for-pound the Sorceror Supreme of all comicdom.

Pretty much, yeah.
Strange is a master at mezmerizing, it's identical to telepathy, just a different name.
With the EOA, his mezmerizing skill (telepathy) is far more powerful than Prof x. That may be why he isn't called the earths greatest telepath.

I gave up on this guy, I'm not going to "prove" everything I say.
I say to hell with it.
Jrod doesn't own a Dr Strange comic, he's admitted it....he doesn't know what hes talking about. 🙄

And let us not forget that Strange spent 5,000 years fighting in the War of the Seven Speres. And he wasn't just fighting sorcerors--he was fighting gods as well.

5,000 years...

well heres some things zatanna has done because no one has posted them- all this was done by herself

restored metropilas and everyone in it like nothing had ever happened

beat i think his name was shadow, but she beat him and he threatened heaven itself

turned a building into popcorn

turned guns into pink flamingos

made magneta lose control over magnetism and had metal objects tie her up

beat the spectre, though he was not full powered

made a hunger demon eat itself

created monsters that killed oooh, i can't think of their names but people said they held reality together

she remade the earth

^^those are just the ones that i could think off the top of my head. she is very powerful and doesn't have to say her spells. i think zatanna would win, well...... not excatley sure

zatanna made a hunger demon eat himself in the nail 2
zatanna turned grass to moly in the comic where circe turned all men into animals
zatanna has turned guns into flamingos in world war 3 i think it was
zatanna used the powers of the lords of order when she helped joch constantine
Zatanna single-handedly destroyed the Shadow which threatened Heaven itself
Not to mention she brought back every single person in Metropolis City back to life after a catastrophe. The city was completely destroyed. Zatanna restored it back to perfection.
she accidently conjured up a monster that killed Ibis, Tim Ravenwind, and Dr. Thirteen
She stopped Circe , Neron, and even Spectre himself (though not at full power)
Zatanna changed the world

^^^^ those are some of the things she has done

I never understood why people make claims like "Oh all she has to do is recite his name backwards or blah blah blah"
If these characters were as strong as some of these members make them out to be, then why would they have hardship and need council or aide from another?If Scarlet Witch can just wish someone from existence, as a few here in this forum have mentioned in the past, then why not just do it without the Avengers? Just go around reciting stuff backwards and killing everybody like Doomsday or Darkseid or wish them out of existence like Scarlet Witch with Juggernaut or whomever.
C'mon people stop hyping characters like that. Just go by their feats alone but don't start making up assumptions because it seems as if they can do it or it looks good on paper.

would you ever have considered comics where there was a new villian every week becuse they could be beat. yeah zatanna could affectivley take almost anyone out but imagine how boring it would be. a would crisis happens so the JLA calls on superman alone to fix it or something. if the characters were as powerful as they can be in comics then no one would read them because beating someone would be no problem. they would have to make stupid story's just to make it seem like things are hard. and yeah many of the x-men or avengers could go solo but they all rely on one another. they are like family and even though they could make it solo they wouldn't want to. with what you are trying to imply comics wouldn't be popular because the good guys would always win and there would be no reason to even read them.

both powerhouses in ther own right but Zataana is is genetically imbued with a sensitivity to magic while Strange had to study for years and shit, so Zatana has the advant cuz she is used to doing stuff on a whim while strange, though he doesnt always have to chant a spell, still has to know what specific spell to cast. plus his bread and butter is using his artifacts, so without those he's toast, and the trhead starter stipulated that there were no artifacts allowed

Zatanna: gib kcoc ni sih htuom won!!!

Strange" gluk gluk glubbbb

Strange has battled without artifacts before many times. The only talismans that he has at all times are the Eye and the cape, and those are a part of his costume. Even taking those away, he's not without resources.

Besides, being born with more power than an opponent doesn't necessarily guarantee a win, especially if your opponent has more experience or is more adept.

In his early adventures, he didn't even have the Eye, the Ancient One eventually gace it to him once he proved himself worthy.

Just the same, Strange is not infallable and Zatanna's no slouch. I merely consider Strange's victory to be the most likely outcome.

In the Marvel world, Zantanna isn't even in the top 3 most powerful Magic users.
Are we seriously debating if she is better than Strange at peak???
C'mon.

Without his hundreds of artifacts, she has a very good chance though.
Even though, he's still a very good telepath with no help from the Eye.

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