Originally posted by KharmaDog
"stop following me around like a starved puppy" "I mean that as no insult", please then, tell me how it was meant
As a request. Pretty obvious upon reading it really.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Don't flatter yourself. It is a large forum, and we may end up frequenting the same areas or threads. There are plenty that I don't that I am sure you do.
Yes, I'm merely basing it on the fact that 9 times out of 10 if we post in the same thread you'll always reply to me.
Happens across the board. You're hardly in the music forum and the only time you have been recently was in reply to me.
Not basing it on thin air, but ok. Was coincidence, no biggie.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As a request. Pretty obvious upon reading it really.Yes, I'm merely basing it on the fact that 9 times out of 10 if we post in the same thread you'll always reply to me.
Happens across the board. You're hardly in the music forum and the only time you have been recently was in reply to me.
Not basing it on thin air, but ok. Was coincidence, no biggie.
-AC
Your self importance is truly astonishing, and mildly entertaining.
I wasn't going to post on this thread anymore, but I felt this particular statement kind of showed a little ignorance of how strikes break things and why you can hit a man lying on a bed of nails across a concrete block and if you understand the physics no impalement or broken bones.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In this case, yes.Bone being 40 times more resilient than brick means nothing. If I use a sledge hammer on a leg and a wall, they're both breaking.
-AC
Now onward to the Science, but before we get to that I am very interested Mr Centaurii as to why you feel the need to insult other posters on this board. For merely stating opinions which they hold contrary to yours. I do not call your post ignorant to get at you, I call it ignorant because it simply shows poor understanding and I am sure you are very intelligent and as a martial artist know the techniques of breaking whilst failing to understand how this happens😄.
Scenario taken from UCI Physics
The instructor removes his shirt and lies down upon the first bed of nails. The audience moans. Then, the second bed is placed gingerly on top, sandwiching him between 6000 sharp nails. The cement block is then located carefully on the upper bed, just above the solar plexus. Some students cover their eyes and one student, still incredulous, shouts " No way! "
The buzz from the audience amplifies as the assistant draws the hammer upward, takes careful aim, and finally slams down swiftly on the brick.
Shards of cement explode wildly outward and then the hall is utterly silent.
Unscathed except for the matrix of reddened dimples impressed into his chest and back, the instructor wriggles free from the sandwich.
" Why wasn't I injured?" he probes.
And thus begins an interaction between teacher and students to quantitatively analyze the situation. Eventually, the students learn that the masses of the nail bed, cement block, and sledge hammer, along with a reasonable estimate of the hammer's speed are the only parameters required to evaluate how much kinetic energy was available to drive all those nails into the instructor's chest.
A straightforward application of momentum and energy conservation yields the surprising result that this seemingly dangerous demonstration is equivalent to dropping pocketknives from a modest height of one inch. The students appear to remain somewhat skeptical, but surely have been convinced that their initial impressions lacked an objective foundation.
I have seen the Shaolin Monks performing Wheel of life try and pass this old trick off to ignorant audiences as "iron shirt".
😆 hope I helped
oh bones don't always break when you hit them with a sledgehammer due to "rebound" the elasticity of bone, being at a lower frequency than that in a more brittle solid where the vibrations cause cracking much more easily.
Oh and "science really means little in this" (paraphrased), that why martial artists, and in fact, all sportsmen and women at elite levels concentrate so much on video and biomechanics to improve performance.
As a keen martial artist yourself you must have watched videos of yourself and opponents to improve technique and look at weaknesses. I know Bruce Lee "filmed" himself, video wasn't common then.
Keep the faith 🤘
Stay educated 😄
No its really not entertaining Kharma, this happens when someone has posted a lot on one forum. As does the old don't follow me around flame ploy, where they actually think others on the forum care what they say. Just ignore it. Its not even worth worrying about.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Your self importance is truly astonishing, and mildly entertaining.
Firstly, don't make accusations of me insulting members for not agreeing with me. I haven't insulted members for not agreeing with me and if you assume I have, you're wrong.
Secondly, don't assume I lack any kind of understanding in the same vein as calling me ignorant 🙂.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Shards of cement explode wildly outward and then the hall is utterly silent.Unscathed except for the matrix of reddened dimples impressed into his chest and back, the instructor wriggles free from the sandwich.
" Why wasn't I injured?" he probes.
And thus begins an interaction between teacher and students to quantitatively analyze the situation. Eventually, the students learn that the masses of the nail bed, cement block, and sledge hammer, along with a reasonable estimate of the hammer's speed are the only parameters required to evaluate how much kinetic energy was available to drive all those nails into the instructor's chest.
A straightforward application of momentum and energy conservation yields the surprising result that this seemingly dangerous demonstration is equivalent to dropping pocketknives from a modest height of one inch. The students appear to remain somewhat skeptical, but surely have been convinced that their initial impressions lacked an objective foundation.
That's all because of the amount of pressure on one point. Hence why needles pierce and hammers crush, not vice versa. A parrot beak bite hurts alot more than a baby with no teeth.
What exactly are you trying to show by posting an article that both you and I are aware of? I have completely understood what you are saying and it's still rather irrelevent.
Muhammad Ali Vs Bruce Lee, who wins? That's the thread title. No need to go into the pressure per millimetre theories. Because it doesn't matter.
I've stated how I think the combatants would go at it and that I believe classing Lee as a man with very little power is ridiculous.
You can keep posting recycled points if it helps you, but I have understood everything you are saying and it's still not making a bit of difference. Irrelevancy.
As an addition, I don't think anyone on this forum cares what I say until they say it themselves. I couldn't actually care less. People on this board have opinions on me that I don't have. You'll come to learn this.
So speaking of pressure, try to stay on point.
-AC
Where not just talking about pressure, if you understood my posts you'd know that 😄 and your the one who claimed Kharma followed you around and offered Freaky a ball, for no real reason 😄 I also made it especially clear it was elements in the post that were ignorant and not you 😄 I don't know you 😄
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Firstly, don't make accusations of me insulting members for not agreeing with me. I haven't insulted members for not agreeing with me and if you assume I have, you're wrong.Secondly, don't assume I lack any kind of understanding in the same vein as calling me ignorant 🙂.
That's all because of the amount of pressure on one point. Hence why needles pierce and hammers crush, not vice versa. A parrot beak bite hurts alot more than a baby with no teeth.
What exactly are you trying to show by posting an article that both you and I are aware of? I have completely understood what you are saying and it's still rather irrelevent.
Muhammad Ali Vs Bruce Lee, who wins? That's the thread title. No need to go into the pressure per millimetre theories. Because it doesn't matter.
I've stated how I think the combatants would go at it and that I believe classing Lee as a man with very little power is ridiculous.
You can keep posting recycled points if it helps you, but I have understood everything you are saying and it's still not making a bit of difference. Irrelevancy.
As an addition, I don't think anyone on this forum cares what I say until they say it themselves. I couldn't actually care less. People on this board have opinions on me that I don't have. You'll come to learn this.
So speaking of pressure, try to stay on point.
-AC
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Where not just talking about pressure, if you understood my posts you'd know that 😄 and your the one who claimed Kharma followed you around and offered Freaky a ball, for no real reason 😄 I also made it especially clear it was elements in the post that were ignorant and not you 😄 I don't know you 😄
Exactly, I don't claim things without reason. So don't make assumptions. I made the claim about Kharma coz I had reason to and he assured me that wasn't the case. It was done.
It seems you're another one who pays special attention to my posts 😉.
I understand your points, why do you keep assuming I do not?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Says?Because according to me it does. Which is, of course, what this thread is all about.
I believe you can take that post, shine it up nice, and stick it somewhere 🙂.
Don't try to outsmart-ass a smart-ass.
On topic, are we forgetting that Henry Cooper, significantly slower and less powerful than Lee, knocked Ali on his back end?
Just food for thought. Like I said above, Ali is much more likely to come out with a win, seeing as it'd take one punch. But landing the punch he needs isn't exactly going to be easy considering it's Bruce Lee he's fighting.
People need to actually stop bringing ultra science into it, it doesn't make you look cool and it's not really relevant. AC Milan are one of the best soccer clubs in the world on paper, but on the pitch they can barely get it done.
Stats are like a lamp-post to a drunk man. More for leaning on than actual illumination.
So if it makes you feel better, blame Lee supporters on fandom, because that's certainly not what I'm going by. At all. I'm an extremely large fan of both. I'm going by what I think.
Science fact means . Spiders web is scientifically as strong as steel, while we're being technical. Are you gonna build a house out of web? No.
-AC
If you've ever seen Inoki fight ALi you know exactly how this fight goes.
I posted the link 20 pages back or something so you can find it.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I wasn't going to post on this thread anymore, but I felt this particular statement kind of showed a little ignorance of how strikes break things and why you can hit a man lying on a bed of nails across a concrete block and if you understand the physics no impalement or broken bones.Now onward to the Science, but before we get to that I am very interested Mr Centaurii as to why you feel the need to insult other posters on this board. For merely stating opinions which they hold contrary to yours. I do not call your post ignorant to get at you, I call it ignorant because it simply shows poor understanding and I am sure you are very intelligent and as a martial artist know the techniques of breaking whilst failing to understand how this happens😄.
Scenario taken from UCI Physics
The instructor removes his shirt and lies down upon the first bed of nails. The audience moans. Then, the second bed is placed gingerly on top, sandwiching him between 6000 sharp nails. The cement block is then located carefully on the upper bed, just above the solar plexus. Some students cover their eyes and one student, still incredulous, shouts " No way! "
The buzz from the audience amplifies as the assistant draws the hammer upward, takes careful aim, and finally slams down swiftly on the brick.
Shards of cement explode wildly outward and then the hall is utterly silent.
Unscathed except for the matrix of reddened dimples impressed into his chest and back, the instructor wriggles free from the sandwich.
" Why wasn't I injured?" he probes.
And thus begins an interaction between teacher and students to quantitatively analyze the situation. Eventually, the students learn that the masses of the nail bed, cement block, and sledge hammer, along with a reasonable estimate of the hammer's speed are the only parameters required to evaluate how much kinetic energy was available to drive all those nails into the instructor's chest.
A straightforward application of momentum and energy conservation yields the surprising result that this seemingly dangerous demonstration is equivalent to dropping pocketknives from a modest height of one inch. The students appear to remain somewhat skeptical, but surely have been convinced that their initial impressions lacked an objective foundation.
I have seen the Shaolin Monks performing Wheel of life try and pass this old trick off to ignorant audiences as "iron shirt".
😆 hope I helped
oh bones don't always break when you hit them with a sledgehammer due to "rebound" the elasticity of bone, being at a lower frequency than that in a more brittle solid where the vibrations cause cracking much more easily.
Oh and "science really means little in this" (paraphrased), that why martial artists, and in fact, all sportsmen and women at elite levels concentrate so much on video and biomechanics to improve performance.
As a keen martial artist yourself you must have watched videos of yourself and opponents to improve technique and look at weaknesses. I know Bruce Lee "filmed" himself, video wasn't common then.
Keep the faith 🤘
Stay educated 😄
Glad your back Whirly!
p.s
You are right!