well to be completely honest i say stalmate but we wil never know who will truly win that fight. i see more exepectations than logical posts. which are very nice and almost convingin by the way but like i said i think most of these are jus expectations i really dont know who wul win that fight but i know this....it wuld be a damn good fight.
Originally posted by cking
since you said lee has a bad temper, Ali could intimidate him and lead him to his trap and win.
Bruce was a very controlled fighter however. And he struck out of anger rarely according to eyewitness accounts of his fights on the sets of his movies. He knew what he was doing.
As for Lee vs. Ali. I'd give it to Lee. While Ali was bound only to the principles of boxing, Lee fashioned Jeet Kune Do out of many styles and applied the idea that footwork was the backbone of ALL fighting arts and not just boxing.
Lee's philosophy was to be like water-flow gently at some points, and crash at other times. Also water takes the shape of anything you pour it in...put it in a glass it becomes the glass, put it in a cup, it becomes the cup. (direct quote) Adapt and acclimate. He was ahead of his time in a time when thinking out side the box was taboo. And he realized, as he said once, that the truth "lies outside of all fixed patterns."
There again, as no man is invincible, I'd bet a fair amount that had Ali gotten Lee into his own element, Bruce might have taken his bruises and bumps in a steady stream. Each man has a specialty and a technique they employ to lure the other into his backyard, and this is no different.
Would have made a hell of a fight though, huh?
Originally posted by cking
if only in the movies. still Muhammad would win. lee doesn't have the whole package to beat Ali. if so he would win.
No no the whole package to win by Ali's rules anyway. But one well placed kick to Ali's body sure as hell would have done it, considering Lee could kick a a guy so hard that he send him flying so hard that it broke 2 ribs on one of the guys on one side and both the arms of the guy on the other side (the Enter The Dragon scene where he kicked Bob Wall into those 2 guys and sent them flying.) Bruce had power..
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
Bruce was a very controlled fighter however. And he struck out of anger rarely according to eyewitness accounts of his fights on the sets of his movies. He knew what he was doing.As for Lee vs. Ali. I'd give it to Lee. While Ali was bound only to the principles of boxing, Lee fashioned Jeet Kune Do out of many styles and applied the idea that footwork was the backbone of ALL fighting arts and not just boxing.
Lee's philosophy was to be like water-flow gently at some points, and crash at other times. Also water takes the shape of anything you pour it in...put it in a glass it becomes the glass, put it in a cup, it becomes the cup. (direct quote) Adapt and acclimate. He was ahead of his time in a time when thinking out side the box was taboo. And he realized, as he said once, that the truth "lies outside of all fixed patterns."
There again, as no man is invincible, I'd bet a fair amount that had Ali gotten Lee into his own element, Bruce might have taken his bruises and bumps in a steady stream. Each man has a specialty and a technique they employ to lure the other into his backyard, and this is no different.
Would have made a hell of a fight though, huh?
The problem is Jeet kune Do has never been proven to be an effective fighting art.Lee never did anything to prove it was.He gave a few demonstrations and might have competed in several tournements (their are different sources that claim different things on this matter).Ali,however,was constantly fighting and training to fight.Lee was more based in philosophy than actual fighting.
btw Vale Tudo means no rules (vale tudo tournement in Brazil is the best example,but this still includes ufc,Pride,etc.
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
No no the whole package to win by Ali's rules anyway. But one well placed kick to Ali's body sure as hell would have done it, considering Lee could kick a a guy so hard that he send him flying so hard that it broke 2 ribs on one of the guys on one side and both the arms of the guy on the other side (the Enter The Dragon scene where he kicked Bob Wall into those 2 guys and sent them flying.) Bruce had power..
I've seen a lot of guys get hurt in training.If you want to see impressive kicks watch maurice smith or Bas Rutten.
True. I have seen Bas Rutten before and he is pretty formidable. I guess it's not the art but how you use it.
It's just that, for a guy his size and weight, I have never seen anyone as powerful as Bruce. The guy was some sort of little monster. I think it's the whole thnig about how small he was and how he had the power he did despite that size, that somehow makes him iconoclastic in his own way, aside from his non traditional methods and his refusal of textbook applications.