Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Started by Sir Whirlysplat163 pages

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Hang on... Why don't you wiki whore it.. see what they say... Its comical!

"In 2004, UFC president Dana White credits Lee as the "father of mixed martial arts"

OH NOES! 😆 bruce.... the father of whirlys main point...

"Whos ya daddy??"

Wheres your evidence whirly?? you just got your moot point that "you" don't think its very good.... rest of the world does though.... 😂

Wheres your evidence about him fighting -
Thats not my main point at all.
and its one persons opinion based on what - White is a promoter you use a film stars name.

You have proved what? That Bruce had a fight - of course not 😂

The daddy of UFC....

Yes whirly... "the Daddy"... of mixed martial arts...

I've told you how he trained, I told you what he learned and how he changed his fighting style to cover up the flaws in martial arts.. and how he would of known how to beat ali from all his training against boxers..

All you have done is said ali won in the past.. hes going to win again.. (flawed by anyones opinion) and that everything bruce has done is all "smoke and mirrors" not even wanting to admit that bruce had any strength... You haven't even given a shread of proof for all your clames but conjecture.. I at least gave you website testamonials...

😆 come one whirly... Give me a solid reason.. not some flawed exageration shrowded in personal opinions...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
The daddy of UFC....

Yes whirly... "the Daddy"... of mixed martial arts...

I've told you how he trained, I told you what he learned and how he changed his fighting style to cover up the flaws in martial arts.. and how he would of known how to beat ali from all his training against boxers..

All you have done is said ali won in the past.. hes going to win again.. (flawed by anyones opinion) and that everything bruce has done is all "smoke and mirrors" not even wanting to admit that bruce had any strength... You haven't even given a shread of proof for all your clames but conjecture.. I at least gave you website testamonials...

😆 come one whirly... Give me a solid reason.. not some flawed exageration shrowded in personal opinions...

His never fought anyone -
Is very small -

Ali 53 fights
Lee 0

Smoke and mirrors - only from Lee fans who are kids who do "Karate" etc believe.

People list several arts he supposedly trained in,but for how long and from who? I believe his ego created his own style rather than sticking around long enough to get past the basics in any one.So far he was the only one good at his style and only on film. I only believe he has really mastered Wing Chun out of all the arts he says he has done. Its said that Bruce was not a certified instructor of Wing Chun, he was barely equalivant to a Shodan in a belt rank system. Bruce studied Grappling from Judo great Gene Lebelle for a couple of weeks 😂. Bruce is reffered to as the father of MMA by some because he introduced the idea of training in more than one style to the masses, nothing more nothing less. Pankrase is the true original MMA style obviously. Everything about Bruce is rumours even his death.

http://www.geocities.com/jimmy900_uk/bruceleerumours.htm

He fulfils a need for little people and kids to believe they can beat up big people 🙂

As we know in real life this just isn't true, little men don't win.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-324397-best-fighter-ever.html

hiyahh take your Kung fu down your local Boxing club 😉 take your Martial arts exercises down the local gym. Enjoy 🙂

not one solid point in that whirly... just your speculative points...
Can you tell me what makes my head different from yours???

LOL hiyahh that just makes me chuckle🙂 And in a boxing gym kung fu would get curbstomped due to boxing rules.......

My crane technique will ..........KAPOW uppercut take your crane to the zoo

Bruce Lee Plagiarist 😂 more Lee Fakery

http://www.martialdirect.com/articles/bruceleept1.htm

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"...It is a constant, rapid shifting of ground, seeking the slightest closing which will greatly increase the chances of hitting the opponent."

Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing

"It is a constant rapid shifting of ground, seeking the slight closing of distance, which will greatly increase the chances of hitting the opponent."

Most JKD people are aware that Bruce Lee borrowed many ideas from western fencing, but did you know that this was an almost direct quote?

The copyright on the Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing is 1960, 1962. It was published in 1962. Now Bruce Lee would have been in Seattle at this time and still attending Edison Technical School. It is very doubtful that Lee would have written this first. Also, Lee was still very much Wing Chun oriented in his fighting style. It was not until the late sixties that Lee coined the term "Jeet Kune Do", which we have been told consists mainly of Wing Chun, boxing, and western fencing.

Here are a couple of examples where Bruce Lee took someone else's words and either simply inserted "Jeet Kune Do" or changed it slightly to accommodate an unarmed combat art.

One that I have heard repeated many times over the years and Bruce Lee even included in a personal letter to a fan named "John", in only slightly different wording, is:

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"With all the training thrown to the wind, with a mind perfectly unaware of its own working, with the self vanishing nowhere, anybody knows where, the art of Jeet Kune Do attains its perfection."

Yagyu Tajima no kami Munenori (1571-1646) Japanese swordsman

"...When this is realized, with all the training thrown to the winds, with a mind perfectly unaware of its own workings, with the self vanished nowhere anybody knows, the art of swordsmanship attains its perfection and one who has it is called a meijin."

This was written over 300 years ago! It appears to be an adopted philosophy that should be credited to Yagyu Tajima no kami Munenori, not Bruce Lee.

Here is yet another passage adapted to Bruce Lee's art of Jeet Kune Do.

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"Approach Jeet Kune Do with the idea of mastering the will. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life! Do not be concerned with your escaping safely- lay your life before him!"

Cited in D.T. Suzuki's Zen and Japanese Culture, (copyright 1959) is a commentary note in the book called Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai that reads:

"Araki Matayemon [a great swordsman of the Tokugawa era] gave this instruction to his nephew, Watanabe Kazuma, when they were about to engage in the deadly fight with their enemy: 'Let the enemy touch your skin and you cut into his flesh; let him cut into your flesh and you pierce into his bones; let him pierce into your bones and you take his life!' "

Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai (Hagakure meaning "hidden leaves" or "hidden by leaves"😉 was written by Yamamoto Tsunetomo and first published on September 10, 1716. Again, there should be no doubt as to the original author. Bruce Lee changed the wording to suit his art, but the origins are clearly seen.

And there is another instance I'd like to mention. This is stated in the book The Warrior Within, by John Little as:

The Three Stages of Cultivation

(Bruce Lee's words)
"The first stage is the primitive stage. It is a stage of original ignorance in which a person knows nothing about the art of combat...he simply blocks and strikes instinctively..."
"The second stage- the stage of sophistication, or mechanical stage- begins when a person starts his training. He is taught the different ways of blocking, striking,...Unquestionably, he has gained the scientific knowledge of combat, but unfortunately his original self and sense of freedom are lost, and his action no longer flows by itself...his mind tends to freeze at different movements..."
"The third stage- the stage of artlessness, or spontaneous stage- occurs when, after years of serious and hard practice, the student realizes that after all, gung fu is nothing special..."

In D.T. Suzuki's book Zen and Japanese Culture, (copyright 1959) he writes about Zen as it applies to swordsmanship. Look at the remarkable similarity!

"To state it in terms of swordsmanship, the genuine beginner knows nothing about the way of holding and managing the sword...when the opponent tries to strike him, he instinctively parries it."
"But as soon as the training starts, he is taught how to handle the sword,...and many other technical tricks- which makes the mind 'stop' at various junctures. For this reason whenever he tries to strike the opponent he feels unusually hampered; [he has lost altogether the original sense of innocence and freedom]."
"But as days and years go by, as his training acquires fuller maturity, his bodily attitude and his way of managing the sword advance toward 'no-mind-ness,' which resemble the state of mind he had at the very beginning of training when he knew nothing, when he was altogether ignorant of the art. The beginning and the end thus turn into nextdoor neighbors."

Look at the similarities of the words used: Bruce Lee D.T. Suzuki
1.) blocks and strikes instinctively he instinctively parries
2.) begins when a person starts his training as soon as the training starts
3.) original self/sense of freedom original sense of innocence/freedom
4.) mind tends to freeze makes the mind 'stop'
5.) spontaneous stage "no-mind-ness"
6.) after years of serious...practice as days and years go by

This is a Zen concept of learning and can be applied to almost anything. My point is the similarity in wording. The words of Bruce Lee have been published as though the idea of the three stages were his own creation. In The Warrior Within, John Little states about Lee:

"...he drafted a fascinating philosophical treatise, which he called The Three Stages of Cultivation."

And then goes on to describe them.

Suzuki's book was published in 1959. It was a revised and enlarged version of a book published originally in 1938. Bruce Lee would not have even been born in 1938. (b. 1940) He would have just been arriving in the United States in 1959. The preface to Suzuki's revised edition is dated 1958, before Lee's arrival in the States. I think it is safe to say that Suzuki's work pre-dates Lee's.

It should become quite obvious that these examples are not the original works of Bruce Lee. They have been presented to us, the public, as though they were Bruce Lee originals, when most are only copied or adapted personal notes, with a few exceptions.

In Part 2, we will examine direct quotes taken from various sources and more borrowed philosophies of the "Little Dragon."

Bored now - keep looking for the myodynamics destruction of his weights programme and can't find it. I will soon🙂

hiyahh 😂

The guy would be dangerous if he invented anything himself 😆

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

I heard one time that Bruce Lee was very dangerous he ate apples, carrots, lettuce.......so the theme is look out rabbits Bruce is in town to school you on eat'n veggies🙂

I still love Bruce so you can never take that from me NOOOOOOO
I love Ali's wicked style and flambouyant approach to boxing the mand was not school smart but a brilliant PR guy for himself🙂

Originally posted by soleran30
I heard one time that Bruce Lee was very dangerous he ate apples, carrots, lettuce.......so the theme is look out rabbits Bruce is in town to school you on eat'n veggies🙂

I still love Bruce so you can never take that from me NOOOOOOO
I love Ali's wicked style and flambouyant approach to boxing the mand was not school smart but a brilliant PR guy for himself🙂

Indeed my friend 🙂

reposted because I love it

Bruce Lee Plagiarist more Lee Fakery

http://www.martialdirect.com/articles/bruceleept1.htm

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"...It is a constant, rapid shifting of ground, seeking the slightest closing which will greatly increase the chances of hitting the opponent."

Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing

"It is a constant rapid shifting of ground, seeking the slight closing of distance, which will greatly increase the chances of hitting the opponent."

Most JKD people are aware that Bruce Lee borrowed many ideas from western fencing, but did you know that this was an almost direct quote?

The copyright on the Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing is 1960, 1962. It was published in 1962. Now Bruce Lee would have been in Seattle at this time and still attending Edison Technical School. It is very doubtful that Lee would have written this first. Also, Lee was still very much Wing Chun oriented in his fighting style. It was not until the late sixties that Lee coined the term "Jeet Kune Do", which we have been told consists mainly of Wing Chun, boxing, and western fencing.

Here are a couple of examples where Bruce Lee took someone else's words and either simply inserted "Jeet Kune Do" or changed it slightly to accommodate an unarmed combat art.

One that I have heard repeated many times over the years and Bruce Lee even included in a personal letter to a fan named "John", in only slightly different wording, is:

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"With all the training thrown to the wind, with a mind perfectly unaware of its own working, with the self vanishing nowhere, anybody knows where, the art of Jeet Kune Do attains its perfection."

Yagyu Tajima no kami Munenori (1571-1646) Japanese swordsman

"...When this is realized, with all the training thrown to the winds, with a mind perfectly unaware of its own workings, with the self vanished nowhere anybody knows, the art of swordsmanship attains its perfection and one who has it is called a meijin."

This was written over 300 years ago! It appears to be an adopted philosophy that should be credited to Yagyu Tajima no kami Munenori, not Bruce Lee.

Here is yet another passage adapted to Bruce Lee's art of Jeet Kune Do.

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"Approach Jeet Kune Do with the idea of mastering the will. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life! Do not be concerned with your escaping safely- lay your life before him!"

Cited in D.T. Suzuki's Zen and Japanese Culture, (copyright 1959) is a commentary note in the book called Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai that reads:

"Araki Matayemon [a great swordsman of the Tokugawa era] gave this instruction to his nephew, Watanabe Kazuma, when they were about to engage in the deadly fight with their enemy: 'Let the enemy touch your skin and you cut into his flesh; let him cut into your flesh and you pierce into his bones; let him pierce into your bones and you take his life!' "

Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai (Hagakure meaning "hidden leaves" or "hidden by leaves"😉 was written by Yamamoto Tsunetomo and first published on September 10, 1716. Again, there should be no doubt as to the original author. Bruce Lee changed the wording to suit his art, but the origins are clearly seen.

And there is another instance I'd like to mention. This is stated in the book The Warrior Within, by John Little as:

The Three Stages of Cultivation

(Bruce Lee's words)
"The first stage is the primitive stage. It is a stage of original ignorance in which a person knows nothing about the art of combat...he simply blocks and strikes instinctively..."
"The second stage- the stage of sophistication, or mechanical stage- begins when a person starts his training. He is taught the different ways of blocking, striking,...Unquestionably, he has gained the scientific knowledge of combat, but unfortunately his original self and sense of freedom are lost, and his action no longer flows by itself...his mind tends to freeze at different movements..."
"The third stage- the stage of artlessness, or spontaneous stage- occurs when, after years of serious and hard practice, the student realizes that after all, gung fu is nothing special..."

In D.T. Suzuki's book Zen and Japanese Culture, (copyright 1959) he writes about Zen as it applies to swordsmanship. Look at the remarkable similarity!

"To state it in terms of swordsmanship, the genuine beginner knows nothing about the way of holding and managing the sword...when the opponent tries to strike him, he instinctively parries it."
"But as soon as the training starts, he is taught how to handle the sword,...and many other technical tricks- which makes the mind 'stop' at various junctures. For this reason whenever he tries to strike the opponent he feels unusually hampered; [he has lost altogether the original sense of innocence and freedom]."
"But as days and years go by, as his training acquires fuller maturity, his bodily attitude and his way of managing the sword advance toward 'no-mind-ness,' which resemble the state of mind he had at the very beginning of training when he knew nothing, when he was altogether ignorant of the art. The beginning and the end thus turn into nextdoor neighbors."

Look at the similarities of the words used: Bruce Lee D.T. Suzuki
1.) blocks and strikes instinctively he instinctively parries
2.) begins when a person starts his training as soon as the training starts
3.) original self/sense of freedom original sense of innocence/freedom
4.) mind tends to freeze makes the mind 'stop'
5.) spontaneous stage "no-mind-ness"
6.) after years of serious...practice as days and years go by

This is a Zen concept of learning and can be applied to almost anything. My point is the similarity in wording. The words of Bruce Lee have been published as though the idea of the three stages were his own creation. In The Warrior Within, John Little states about Lee:

"...he drafted a fascinating philosophical treatise, which he called The Three Stages of Cultivation."

And then goes on to describe them.

Suzuki's book was published in 1959. It was a revised and enlarged version of a book published originally in 1938. Bruce Lee would not have even been born in 1938. (b. 1940) He would have just been arriving in the United States in 1959. The preface to Suzuki's revised edition is dated 1958, before Lee's arrival in the States. I think it is safe to say that Suzuki's work pre-dates Lee's.

It should become quite obvious that these examples are not the original works of Bruce Lee. They have been presented to us, the public, as though they were Bruce Lee originals, when most are only copied or adapted personal notes, with a few exceptions.

In Part 2, we will examine direct quotes taken from various sources and more borrowed philosophies of the "Little Dragon."

Bored now - keep looking for the myodynamics destruction of his weights programme and can't find it. I will soon

hiyahh

The guy would be dangerous if he invented anything himself

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly

wow so now instead of proving any relievent point your just trying to discredit him... yer.. cause its really relievent...

You know what else no one brought up his 3 inch punch! I mean Bruce Lee's cuz there was a 1 inch and 3 inch I believe! I'm sorry Whirly but Bruce would smoke Ali like a turkey for thanksgiving........seriously its one of those how do you say hiyaah's to the ding ding just kidd'n🙂

Originally posted by soleran30
You know what else no one brought up his 3 inch punch! I mean Bruce Lee's cuz there was a 1 inch and 3 inch I believe! I'm sorry Whirly but Bruce would smoke Ali like a turkey for thanksgiving........seriously its one of those how do you say hiyaah's to the ding ding just kidd'n🙂

😂

Bruce Lee Plagiarist more Lee Fakery

http://www.martialdirect.com/articles/bruceleept1.htm

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"...It is a constant, rapid shifting of ground, seeking the slightest closing which will greatly increase the chances of hitting the opponent."

Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing

"It is a constant rapid shifting of ground, seeking the slight closing of distance, which will greatly increase the chances of hitting the opponent."

Most JKD people are aware that Bruce Lee borrowed many ideas from western fencing, but did you know that this was an almost direct quote?

The copyright on the Sports Illustrated: Book of Fencing is 1960, 1962. It was published in 1962. Now Bruce Lee would have been in Seattle at this time and still attending Edison Technical School. It is very doubtful that Lee would have written this first. Also, Lee was still very much Wing Chun oriented in his fighting style. It was not until the late sixties that Lee coined the term "Jeet Kune Do", which we have been told consists mainly of Wing Chun, boxing, and western fencing.

Here are a couple of examples where Bruce Lee took someone else's words and either simply inserted "Jeet Kune Do" or changed it slightly to accommodate an unarmed combat art.

One that I have heard repeated many times over the years and Bruce Lee even included in a personal letter to a fan named "John", in only slightly different wording, is:

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"With all the training thrown to the wind, with a mind perfectly unaware of its own working, with the self vanishing nowhere, anybody knows where, the art of Jeet Kune Do attains its perfection."

Yagyu Tajima no kami Munenori (1571-1646) Japanese swordsman

"...When this is realized, with all the training thrown to the winds, with a mind perfectly unaware of its own workings, with the self vanished nowhere anybody knows, the art of swordsmanship attains its perfection and one who has it is called a meijin."

This was written over 300 years ago! It appears to be an adopted philosophy that should be credited to Yagyu Tajima no kami Munenori, not Bruce Lee.

Here is yet another passage adapted to Bruce Lee's art of Jeet Kune Do.

The Tao of Jeet Kune Do

"Approach Jeet Kune Do with the idea of mastering the will. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life! Do not be concerned with your escaping safely- lay your life before him!"

Cited in D.T. Suzuki's Zen and Japanese Culture, (copyright 1959) is a commentary note in the book called Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai that reads:

"Araki Matayemon [a great swordsman of the Tokugawa era] gave this instruction to his nephew, Watanabe Kazuma, when they were about to engage in the deadly fight with their enemy: 'Let the enemy touch your skin and you cut into his flesh; let him cut into your flesh and you pierce into his bones; let him pierce into your bones and you take his life!' "

Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai (Hagakure meaning "hidden leaves" or "hidden by leaves"😉 was written by Yamamoto Tsunetomo and first published on September 10, 1716. Again, there should be no doubt as to the original author. Bruce Lee changed the wording to suit his art, but the origins are clearly seen.

And there is another instance I'd like to mention. This is stated in the book The Warrior Within, by John Little as:

The Three Stages of Cultivation

(Bruce Lee's words)
"The first stage is the primitive stage. It is a stage of original ignorance in which a person knows nothing about the art of combat...he simply blocks and strikes instinctively..."
"The second stage- the stage of sophistication, or mechanical stage- begins when a person starts his training. He is taught the different ways of blocking, striking,...Unquestionably, he has gained the scientific knowledge of combat, but unfortunately his original self and sense of freedom are lost, and his action no longer flows by itself...his mind tends to freeze at different movements..."
"The third stage- the stage of artlessness, or spontaneous stage- occurs when, after years of serious and hard practice, the student realizes that after all, gung fu is nothing special..."

In D.T. Suzuki's book Zen and Japanese Culture, (copyright 1959) he writes about Zen as it applies to swordsmanship. Look at the remarkable similarity!

"To state it in terms of swordsmanship, the genuine beginner knows nothing about the way of holding and managing the sword...when the opponent tries to strike him, he instinctively parries it."
"But as soon as the training starts, he is taught how to handle the sword,...and many other technical tricks- which makes the mind 'stop' at various junctures. For this reason whenever he tries to strike the opponent he feels unusually hampered; [he has lost altogether the original sense of innocence and freedom]."
"But as days and years go by, as his training acquires fuller maturity, his bodily attitude and his way of managing the sword advance toward 'no-mind-ness,' which resemble the state of mind he had at the very beginning of training when he knew nothing, when he was altogether ignorant of the art. The beginning and the end thus turn into nextdoor neighbors."

Look at the similarities of the words used: Bruce Lee D.T. Suzuki
1.) blocks and strikes instinctively he instinctively parries
2.) begins when a person starts his training as soon as the training starts
3.) original self/sense of freedom original sense of innocence/freedom
4.) mind tends to freeze makes the mind 'stop'
5.) spontaneous stage "no-mind-ness"
6.) after years of serious...practice as days and years go by

This is a Zen concept of learning and can be applied to almost anything. My point is the similarity in wording. The words of Bruce Lee have been published as though the idea of the three stages were his own creation. In The Warrior Within, John Little states about Lee:

"...he drafted a fascinating philosophical treatise, which he called The Three Stages of Cultivation."

And then goes on to describe them.

Suzuki's book was published in 1959. It was a revised and enlarged version of a book published originally in 1938. Bruce Lee would not have even been born in 1938. (b. 1940) He would have just been arriving in the United States in 1959. The preface to Suzuki's revised edition is dated 1958, before Lee's arrival in the States. I think it is safe to say that Suzuki's work pre-dates Lee's.

It should become quite obvious that these examples are not the original works of Bruce Lee. They have been presented to us, the public, as though they were Bruce Lee originals, when most are only copied or adapted personal notes, with a few exceptions.

In Part 2, we will examine direct quotes taken from various sources and more borrowed philosophies of the "Little Dragon."

Bored now - keep looking for the myodynamics destruction of his weights programme and can't find it. I will soon

hiyahh

The guy would be dangerous if he invented anything himself

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

/\/\ Spam posting whirly... Tut Tut!

You know you still haven't brought a relievent point to the table... Not 1 point...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
/\/\ Spam posting whirly... Tut Tut!

You know you still haven't brought a relievent point to the table... Not 1 point...

I've just proved he didn't even right his own books and plagiarised all his ideas.
What have you proved 😂

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Show me something his done 😂

Bored now because you have shown nothing.

Get a fight his had with someone good then we'll talk till then, its just funny.

you have to prove he can fight anyone for real, Ali has a record till you can its not even an argument.

so I beat 50 random people up I can beat up bruce lee too???

you keep quoting that moot point like you did with Gjj... and I thought you would of matured by now.. I can't believe anyone of your age would
1) be silly enough to bring up such moot points
2) enjoy trolling over the net

I can't decide which it is... Help me out here... You seem to be a clever guy, but why do you repeat yourself like a broken record???.... on points that have major flaws in them...
constantly asking for facts but never actually defending against points made... just masking your faults in mindless rebuttle...

......but to top it off... you past about 3 smilies into each post... its hurting my brain to read this level of silly...

I'm asking for 1 GOOD point as to why Ali could beat Lee... Please, No obvious flawed tittle tattle...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
so I beat 50 random people up I can beat up bruce lee too???

you keep quoting that moot point like you did with Gjj... and I thought you would of matured by now.. I can't believe anyone of your age would
1) be silly enough to bring up such moot points
2) enjoy trolling over the net

I can't decide which it is... Help me out here... You seem to be a clever guy, but why do you repeat yourself like a broken record???.... on points that have major flaws in them...
constantly asking for facts but never actually defending against points made... just masking your faults in mindless rebuttle...

......but to top it off... you past about 3 smilies into each post... its hurting my brain to read this level of silly...

I'm asking for 1 GOOD point as to why Ali could beat Lee... Please, No obvious flawed tittle tattle...

Random people - heavyweight contenders - Ali was also Olympic Champion - moot points.

Whats Lee ever done - apart from Wing Chun (although his level is sketchy) and a couple of weeks of Judo, oh yeah plagiarised others work.

1 good point - much bigger
2 good point - proven record of beating people - Olympic Champion, Wold Heavyweight Champion
3 good point - Reach longer than Lees kicks

flawed tittle tattle, you haven't produced a thing. Lee did good movies enjoy your fantasies, try some Kung Fu on a heavyweight boxer, or just someone much bigger than you who does weights 😂

Keep the faith 🙂

Enjoy Kill Bill 2 its not real trust me

Stay Whirly 🤘

Ali beat sluggers... Ali beat them with foot work and constant jabs...
Erm... from what I've read of lees training seemed like quite a rudimentary tech for Lee...

Again with the record thing... even ali had to start somewhere.. Can you remember what people fought the result of the Ali vs sunny match was going to be?

Past doesn't equal future... I would agree that having a record of fighting vs someone whos never been in a fight before holds some merit.. but lee regularly trained and was in practice fights.. But never had any fights in the public eye.. but everyone who saw him seems to be dumbstruck by him... Why??? could he have been that good looking in person? perhaps he had alot of experience in wooing crowds and talking smack to impress people... ooorrr he could of just been that good in the fights that he grew a following....

Lees footwork and speed is far greater then ali's... I would presume ali isn't immune to kicks and would get hurt from a combo.. be it less then if ali hit lee... but I could see lee's speed being too much for ali to handle...

Do you not agree that Lee is superior in the following areas?
Fighting Technique, speed, footwork...
If not please give an example of how ali is superior

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Ali beat sluggers... Ali beat them with foot work and constant jabs...
Erm... from what I've read of lees training seemed like quite a rudimentary tech for Lee...

Again with the record thing... even ali had to start somewhere.. Can you remember what people fought the result of the Ali vs sunny match was going to be?

Past doesn't equal future... I would agree that having a record of fighting vs someone whos never been in a fight before holds some merit.. but lee regularly trained and was in practice fights.. But never had any fights in the public eye.. but everyone who saw him seems to be dumbstruck by him... Why??? could he have been that good looking in person? perhaps he had alot of experience in wooing crowds and talking smack to impress people... ooorrr he could of just been that good in the fights that he grew a following....

Lees footwork and speed is far greater then ali's... I would presume ali isn't immune to kicks and would get hurt from a combo.. be it less then if ali hit lee... but I could see lee's speed being too much for ali to handle...

Do you not agree that Lee is superior in the following areas?
Fighting Technique, speed, footwork...
If not please give an example of how ali is superior

How Ali is superior - He won real fights

How Lee is inferior - He didn't

Lees footwork - Having just watched the big boss 😂 was very A team

Yeah - the power rangers do Wu Shu Kung Fu and are fast, some are much bigger than lee. 🙂 The power rangers train and have practice fights a lot.

Alis footwork was brilliant, "Floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee". Olympic champion.

Lee would have made a good power ranger except their fight scenes are more spectacular than the green hornet was 🙂 one inch punch away

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
How Ali is superior - He won real fights

How Lee is inferior - He didn't

Lees footwork - Having just watched the big boss 😂 was very A team

Yeah - the power rangers do Wu Shu Kung Fu and are fast, some are much bigger than lee. 🙂 The power rangers train and have practice fights a lot.

Alis footwork was brilliant, "Floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee". Olympic champion.

Lee would have made a good power ranger except their fight scenes are more spectacular than the green hornet was 🙂 one inch punch away

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🙂

Love it Whirly, you've totalised this fool tonight 😂

nice man

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
How Ali is superior - He won real fights

How Lee is inferior - He didn't

Lees footwork - Having just watched the big boss 😂 was very A team

Yeah - the power rangers do Wu Shu Kung Fu and are fast, some are much bigger than lee. 🙂 The power rangers train and have practice fights a lot.

Alis footwork was brilliant, "Floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee". Olympic champion.

Lee would have made a good power ranger except their fight scenes are more spectacular than the green hornet was 🙂 one inch punch away

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🙂

This post just about sums up all you do here... Make stuff up and joke...

Still your only moot point is that ali has some recorded fights... while lee never fought in public...

I'm not going to stoop to your level of disrespecting ali.. for I know he was a great Man... a Great boxer and its offencive to belittle him... Same with Bruce.. You have done everything in your power to degrade his name and feats...

Shame really... Another thread where whirly doesn't contribute... just trolls away...

then again... shame on me for posting to your trolling...