Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
In Justice League Season 1, "Injustice For All part 1&2," Batman was bitten by Copperhead and had to be escorted back to the watchtower.As soon as Bats woke up, he was ready to leave and track the injustice gang by himself.
Batman: "I'm going to find them."
[Manhunter stands in front of the door]
Martian Manhunter: You don't have to do this.
Batman: Do you want to try to stop me?
[Martian gets out of the way and Batman leaves]
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
In Justice League Season 1, "Injustice For All part 1&2," Batman was bitten by Copperhead and had to be escorted back to the watchtower.As soon as Bats woke up, he was ready to leave and track the injustice gang by himself.
Batman: "I'm going to find them."
[Manhunter stands in front of the door]
Martian Manhunter: You don't have to do this.
Batman: Do you want to try to stop me?
[Martian gets out of the way and Batman leaves]
batman vs martian manhunter
this i s going to be hard because im a big MM fan but respectively Batman has trained himself long ago to be able to conceal his true thoughts from telepaths at will. able to summon important information at will by using pneumonic triggers.
So by doing this batman can easily hide whatever weapon or counter measure he has on his person with out being detected.
Now its time to think outside the box.......every one keeps putting to much emphasis on fire, when its been shown on JLU tas that MM can be stopped by if being frozen in ice. i.e. a liquid nitrogen grenade
Now for the idiots who aren't happy enough with that, who think " MM can just phase through the ice".
Well its also bin shown that while in his intangible phasing mode J'onn becomes vulnerable to electromagnetic tuning disruption. Because all hes doing when hes making himself intangible is vibrating his molecules at a different frequency just like the flash does. And this item I speak of has already bin used by the Ultra Humanite right in front of batman in " Injustice for All".
And besides the device bringing him back to his tangible state it also delivers
thousands of whats right into the Martian nervous system.
this will probably only slow J'onn down for a moment but this will give batman enough time to place one of the mad hatters reversed engineered mind crowns on J'onns head rendering MM helpless because all of Jonn powers stems from his telepathy. His strength, speed, morphing, and flight, abilities come from his telepathy and his awsome ability to control every molecule of his body.
And once this is put in check Batman can finish it up with a well placed judo chop......or whatever.
The winner is Batman
powers= Genius
Originally posted by JRW
what are MM's powers besides telepathy and phasing
In terms of scope of powers the Martian Manhunter basically has nearly any power you can think of apart from teleportation and magic. Furthermore, the powers that he has are at a very high level.
An example of the powers he has would include very high level super-strength (together with Superman and Wonderwoman he was pulling the Earth), very high level superspeed, very high level shapeshifting (it is said the only person better than him is Plastic Man), the ability to absorb mass from the Earth and become very large, the ability to change the constituency of his skin (e.g. giving himself metallic armor ....in one case becoming like a giant gundam robot), the ability to phase, the ability to turn invisible, high-level heat vision (called martian vision), in some portrayals martian breath (think hurricane breath for Superman), a whole number of senses (for instance microscopic vision, in one case he said he constantly scans himself on a microscopic level), very high level telepathy (e.g. reading all the minds on earth at the same time, and in terms of offensive capability very high ....he took down ultraman, a Superman version, so easily and said that the moment Ultraman decided to engage him the fight was already over), the ability to become elastic, and some other powers that have not yet been fully explored (e.g. shooting forth energy from his hands). He is also largely invulnerable, and for the most part immortal (he can even regenerate a head). Many years into the future the Martian Manhunter is still alive .....he had actually bonded with the planet Mars (or was it the Moon ....I have the comic, set in the 853rd century ....we are currently in the 21st ....and he had bonded with the soil of either Mars or the Moon). He is also a tech whiz (planting thoughts in Green Lanterns to have them construct highly sophisticated martian technology), and a strategic genius (like Batman, he had come up with ways of taking down the entire JLA ....this was before Bruce came up with his own version).
In essence, the Martian Manhunter is quite powerful. According to Superman and Green Lantern John, the Martian Manhunter is the most powerful being on Earth.
Now, he does have some weakness to flames of 'psychic significance.' However, the reason there is a weakness to flame is due to genetic manipulation by the Guardians (the guys who oversee the Green Lantern corps). They realized that the Martians were too dangerous, so they subdued them and genetically manipulated them into Green and White Martians (before they were all Burning Martians), and made them afraid of fire (because it is through fire and suffering that the Burning Martians used to procreate).
In the graphic novel JLA: Trial by Fire (a very good graphic novel) it shows what happens when the Martian Manhunter overcomes his fear of fire, and by doing so becomes a Burning Martian. Let's just say that he almost destroys the world (a good trick he did was to plant thoughts into the people who control nuclear missiles and make them launch missiles).
Anyways, that in a nutshell is the Martian Manhunter. Basically Superman, with the shapeshifting abilities of Plastic Man, the psychic abilities of Despero, the healing factor of the Hulk, the invisibility powers of the Invisible Woman, the ability to create weapons from his body like Carnage or Clayface, the absorption powers of the Absorbing Man (for inorganics), tech whiz, and the strategic mind of Batman.
In DC they state that in the Southern Hemisphere (in the comic version of Earth) he is actually more famous than Superman (who on DC Earth is more famous in the Northern hemisphere).
I hope that answers most of your questions on the Martian Manhunter. He is actually one dangerous hombre, but is not used much.
To get a handle on this, we'll have to think like Batman - or, at least, come as close to it as we can.
First, Bruce is not quite sane: his will is intensely, unbelievably strong due to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and he's honed that and other, similar flaws until they became strengths.
He and J'onn are friends; I'd say, with the exception of Dick Grayson (who is now estranged to some degree), J'onn is Bruce's only friend that's a peer... although Clark Kent might be in there, to some degree. Depending on the writer, heh.
At any rate, Bruce knows J'onn very, very well; he has a grip on J'onn's personality, for lack of a better term. Bruce is also one of the greatest strategic minds that ever lived, the greatest living detective and one of the greatest combatants of any type in the world.
He's a master, if not The Master, at hunting, ambushes and pragmatic solutions.
Now, for a bit of comparative info: in one of the Despero storylines, it was shown that Blue Beetle resisted Despero's mental power; Despero commented on it, then prepared to physically tear BB apart.
Bruce has a far, far more powerful mind than Ted Kord did; Martian Manhunter and Despero are (or is that were, now?) about even.
Emulating Bruce's knack for ambush, I would say he'd plant a trap for J'onn in his own mind. As Ray Palmer would say, "Remove the fuel, the fire goes out." If your mind is strong enough, it can be a potent trap and weapon against a Telepath; I'm sure Bruce would have a less elegant back-up, in case J'onn didn't attack or contact him psychically, first...
Superman, leading a contingent of heroes in full flight to the 'Rescue':
"Batman? Is...."
Batman, quickly standing and bracing himself to appear unshaken, despite a nosebleed: "Hnn. I'm... uninjured."
Superman, landing beside him: "No, I meant... I mean... you didn't have to use lethal force, did you?"
Batman FTW...sort of
Batman would know that going Toe to toe with the Martian would be suicide. Even with his awesome martial arts skills MM is a shape-shifter with no nerve endings to exploit or bones to break and that's before we talk about his massively powerful invulnerability.
But here's the thing you see Batman always has a plan the "Flaming Nanites" plan may be nullified but that would only mean he made another plan.
So here's the scenario as I see it: Manhunter is going nuts smashing people through buildings and turning into dragons and generally just being aggressive. MM see's Batman and fly's straight for him. Batman would use his skills to dodge the onslaught of attacks as best he can, for as long as he could. Perhaps he would even wear his mech suit until it was smashed to pieces but all the while he would be baiting the martian into invading his mind.
Now Batman is smarter than me so I'm not sure what he could say to do that and it would almost certainly have to be story centric. He'd probably use the source of MM's anger or perhaps claim to have information on the whereabouts of whoever it was that betrayed J'onn so badly that he's fighting against Batman/the Justice League (since at this point I'm sure the JL would have gotten involved) in the first place.
Batman's real skill is turning peoples strengths against them, and we all know the depths of Batman's mind. He has an entire "backup" personality (the Batman of zur-en-arrh). Telepathy might get J'onn in but no ones going to let him out again. It's an incredibly high risk strategy since as MM could just snap Batman's kneck and sadly even if it works Bruce would effectively become J'onn's prison sacrificing himself for the good of the world. But its the sort of thing we've come to expect of him. Remember when he killed Darksied?
Of course after all this goes down the rest of the JLA will jump on board to help both of them and although I know you said he cant have help it's simply not possible for one of the heaviest hitters in the DC universe not to attract the attention of anyone but Batman so if nothing else my "Mind Trap" plan would work to slow him down until backup arrived.