Capt America vs Daredevil

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well his bio says he is slower, but the comics show that he is faster.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think Cap could beat him without his shield, he is a better fighter but not by a great deal. It would not be an easy fight.

DD still has his clubs, so in that situation the fight would not favor Cap.

Originally posted by Alfheim
How did you come to that conclusion?

Cause of his senses he also has superhuman accuracy cause of his ability to pinpoint. Under accuracy there's Bulleye, Gambit, Hawkeye and Matt.

Originally posted by Alfheim
First of all no one has ever said that DD is one of the greatest martials arts. Wolverine talked about all different martial artists he did not mention Matt, but when he spoke about Cap he used the word "even". Even when DD fought him he said Cap was one of the greatest martial artists, if he was equal or better he probably would have said so.

Again elludes to my point about Matt not knowing much MA's but with his own styles and senses he's excellent. Wolverine should know that as Matt has taken him down before

Originally posted by Alfheim
The only thing DD is superior to Cap is in agility his senses are not going to help him because Cap is not trying to suprise him.

Its like you are not reading anything I post. The senses do not only help with surprise. He can hear quickening of heartbeat, tightening of muscles and pulse acceleration in order to tell if someone is planning a punch or kick or even a feint. It also allows him to pinpoint weak points. Cap's gonna have a hell of time just hitting him

Originally posted by Alfheim
and what exactly are they going to do, its not like cap is going to sneak up on him is it?

This makes it much easier for DD to avoid punches and such.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Its like you are not reading anything I post. The senses do not only help with surprise. He can hear quickening of heartbeat, tightening of muscles and pulse acceleration in order to tell if someone is planning a punch or kick or even a feint. It also allows him to pinpoint weak points. Cap's gonna have a hell of time just hitting him

Well that maybe the case but it obvoulsy isnt going to be good enough. Like I said, whose the one of the greatest martial artists in the world Cap not DD. Wolverine never mentioned him in a list and DD even said Cap was.

Originally posted by Accel
As MP points out, they allow Daredevil to sense and predict his opponent's movements by listening to their muscles and detecting such indicators as their heartbeats when they are about to do something.

This makes it much easier for DD to avoid punches and such.

I see so since DD can predict when Cap is going to throw a punch that means hes going to be able to stop it? It doesn't and thats why Cap is still a better fighter.

Like I asked you as well where did you come to the conclusion that DD has indestructible batons his bio does not say so.

Obviously nothing. Elektra has beaten Wolverine and Daredevil has beaten Elektra. By inference that makes Daredevil one bad mo'fo. Seriously we can't just take one instance where Wolverine makes an offhand remark against established abilities and feats shown by characters

Originally posted by marvelprince
Obviously nothing. Elektra has beaten Wolverine and Daredevil has beaten Elektra. By inference that makes Daredevil one bad mo'fo. Seriously we can't just take one instance where Wolverine makes an offhand remark against established abilities and feats shown by characters

Ok fair enough but what about what DD said? Ahem!!! Where does it say that DD has indestructible batons??

Originally posted by Alfheim
I see so since DD can predict when Cap is going to throw a punch that means hes going to be able to stop it? It doesn't and thats why Cap is still a better fighter.

Nope. Means he can move out of the way or if its too fast he can roll with it to reduce the effectiveness.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Like I asked you as well where did you come to the conclusion that DD has indestructible batons his bio does not say so.

In Bendis and Millar(Frank) interviews

Originally posted by marvelprince
Nope. Means he can move out of the way or if its too fast he can roll with it to reduce the effectiveness.

Well yeah he can do that, but its not like it gievs him a huge advantage is it?

Originally posted by marvelprince

In Bendis and Millar(Frank) interviews

Well when was this, because Marvel.com says different. Oh yes DD also said that Cap was one of the worlds greatest fighters and DD has been beaten by Cap has never beaten Cap, you know what that means.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah he can do that, but its not like it gievs him a huge advantage is it?

Uh, yeah. You mean if you knew exactly where and with how much force a person was gonna strike with plus where their weak spots are you wouldn't have an advantage?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well when was this, because Marvel.com says different.

A few months back. Think it was in the Wolverine takes on the world segment.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Its like you are not reading anything I post. The senses do not only help with surprise. He can hear quickening of heartbeat, tightening of muscles and pulse acceleration in order to tell if someone is planning a punch or kick or even a feint. It also allows him to pinpoint weak points. Cap's gonna have a hell of time just hitting him

Not going to work on Cap as per Daredevil himself the SSS makes it impossible for him to read Cap that way.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not going to work on Cap as per Daredevil himself the SSS makes it impossible for him to read Cap that way.

When was this? Scans?

Every fight they have had Cap has been the one on top so Cap takes it 7/10.

Originally posted by marvelprince
When was this? Scans?

It was brought up in a Cap vs DD topic on another board and was verified by a DD fan by the name of Visitor Q who posted the quote, I'd have to pm him for the issue# as I didn't save the thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not going to work on Cap as per Daredevil himself the SSS makes it impossible for him to read Cap that way.

Right thats the end of that.

Ok, the guy pm'd me back, the quote is from Captain America #375.

Though he did mention that DD was able to read him in another encounter so there seems to be some inconsistency.

Done a billion times. And for the last time. Daredevil isnt MORE agile nor faster than Cap, Cap is superior to DD in everyway possible, except for blindness, and blindness only wins fights in who's more blind fights...which this isnt.

He does utilize his agility better. DD has better senses all around, and he has aspects of him that are superior to Cap that others have no problems seeing.

cap is always the best so he takes it 10/10

Originally posted by newavenger13
cap is always the best so he takes it 10/10

i have to disargee with that. caps is strong but not that strong. caps wins it 7/10

cap will take the majority here.. while daredevil MAY have his radar sense cap is still so superior to him in endurance it's not even funny...

and to be quite frank if cap doesn't have a problem hitting spiderman (which he doesn't) hitting daredevil is going to be a trifle... which it HAS been...

and elektra has only been able to beat wolverine when he either 1) was recovering from death and got attacked from behind or 2) fought wolverine while he was in his beastly state... neither show what a capible wolverine would do to her in a head to head..

so the inference on daredevil is worthless...

even taking into account that daredevil has put up showings against wolverine himself...

we have to understand first that the EOTS event, wolverine was brainwashed, wolverine had a mission that didn't have anything to do with daredevil past using him as bait, and he was only stunned by daredevil's blow with the weight.. not beaten.. stunned... and then fell upon a plot device....

the only instance of daredevil taking it to wolverine completely mano y mano is a ennis feat... which I can't even begin to say what's wrong with ennis...

the other time they foguht dd was in a full nelson in 3 panels... so no.. he's not one bad motha.. sorry.