Evangel's Amalgam Tournament: Scoobless vs K Von Doom (Vote Now!)

The battle takes place in an abandoned Moscow in during the most savage russian winter in human history.

The Contenders:

Scoobless

Flash Thordon

Quasar: Mind/Quantum Bands
Flash: Power
Thor: Body/Hammer/Power

Flash (Wally West)
http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/wally.html

Quasar
http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html

Thor
http://www.avengersforever.org/char.../Characters.asp

vs

K Von Doom

Morgred the Martian:

Morg - body, powers, axe
Mordred - mind, magic, powers
Martian Manhunter - powers

Morg
http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/morg.htm

Martian Manhunter
http://www.starnet-database.com/dba.../manhunter.html

Mordred the mystic
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/modredmystic.htm

Flash Thordon:

Quasar: Mind/Quantum Bands
Flash: Power
Thor: Body/Hammer/Power

Prep time:

Quasar has fought trained with Thor as an avenger, as well as some other miscellaneous cosmic battles they've fought in..... so he knows pretty much all of Thor's power and potential

HAMMER: he's seen Thor use the hammer to summon storms both natural and mystical, teleport, block extremely powerful magical, physical and energy based attacks and smash things with it big grin..... he also knows the hammer responds to Thor's commands, will return when thrown and is indestructible

he knows he has a certain time period to train (either one or two hours depending on Evangel) so he creates himself a giant floating clock to count it down

he starts with the basics... he throws Mjolnir away and mentally calls it back.... it responds to his thoughts easily and returns, he throws it as hard as he can and lets it fly (and is impressed with the speed he throws at)...... waits.... calls it back, it returns almost instantly..... one more test.... throws it lightly and imprisons it in a Quantum construct..... calls... and figures out quickly that all he need is decent concentration and the hammer will break through anything to return
He knows the hammer can absorb and fire intense blasts..... he creates a Quantum weapons platform to fire at himself.... he soon finds out Mjolnir will block the most powerful of blasts and will absorb energy as soon as he commands it to, he knows Mjolnir can redirect the energies it absorbs and fire them.... he creates a wrist mounted blaster to fire directly into the hammer while he holds it.... Mjolnir is able to absorb this energy and channel it outward in a continuous beam... he swings the hammer around and the beam stays constant destroying everything it hits..... he is soon able to fire combined Quantum and mystical energy blasts.... and thinks to himself... *this could come in very handy*
He summons lightning... it comes.... he summons it to a specific target... the target is destroyed.... he wills the hammer to fire, it fires..... he's happy the hammer will respond to all his mental commands

PHYSICAL: he knows Thor is majorly strong and quick.... he glances at the clock (digital) adds an additional stopwatch, sets up a barrier one mile distant and programmes his bands to start and stop the clock when he crosses the start finish line.... he completes the mile in astonishing speed.... he repeats over a greater distance (100 miles)..... after 4-5 tests he knows he's close to lightspeed... maybe on it.... he has also detected an energy source surrounding himself with his Bands which grows the faster he moves... it also doesn't escape his genius like intelligence that his perceptions change at speeds to give him phenomenal reaction times... he trains this ability by creating automated defences to target him as he moves through and between them... everything seems to move in slow motion, but after checking the clocks again, he realises it's all him... he taps into this knew energy field with his Quantum bands and finds he can utilise this new "speed energy" in flight as well

with half the time left he tests his other abilities

STRENGTH: He knows Thor is one of the strongest beings he's met... so he creates weights.... he easily presses 10 tons, 20, 50, 100.... astounded he keeps adding weight.....200, 250, 300, 500.....1000....10,000.... he remembers a story about Thor lifting a serpent said to weigh around the same as the earth..... he creates the equivalent weight. (don't ask for figures... lol) he tries to lift it......*uungghhh!* it moves..... but not much..... tries again..... same..... Quasar is impressed with his new strength.... but knows it can be more... he's boosted his own strength with the Quantum bands into the so called "class 100" category before..... why couldn't he amplify Thor's strength?.... he focuses the bands energies into himself..... moves back to the weight.... takes hold.... and yanks it off the ground so hard it flies a mile into the air..... astounded, Quasar utters a single word..... SWEET!

INVULNERABILITY: he still has time left..... so he prepares a test of his invulnerability..... he creates weapon after weapon to hit himself... and soon realises he's pretty damn tough..... he looks at the hammer and wonders..."hmmm".... he creates a sheath around the handle of Mjolnir.... lobs it into the air, finds he can now remotely control the flight path of it with his Quantum energies to wherever he chooses.... he flies it away then back toward himself.....moments before it hits he considers it to be a bad idea and erects a Quantum field... the hammer smashes the field and smacks him in the gut... it hurts a little and leaves a bruise.... which heals almost instantly, astounded again, he realises his new speed comes with a raised healing ability ..."cool".... he says to himself

just before the battle he boosts up his strength, creates Quantum armour, a thin sheath for the hammers handle and a force field.... just to be on the safe side.... if allowed, he also creates automated weapons platforms and drones to accompany him into battle (no different for him than anyone else's force field)

now he's ready to kick ass to save the lives of everyone he's ever met

😈

Once the battle starts FT isn't waiting around to find out what MTM has up his sleeve so he rushes in at top speed (lightspeed or there about) while blasting with full power mystical/electromagnetic energies while simultaneously draining the energies from MTM, if MTM has a magical shield up then the Quantum blasting will pass straight through, if he has a cosmic shield then the energy draining will severly affect it making it weak enough for a charged up FT to smash through like it was wet tissue paper, if he becomes intangible (which is highly doubtful as it's part of MM's bodily functions and takes a great deal of skill to accomplish) then the magical aspect of the blasts will still smack him around as it's magic-based, it's not physical, so physical intangibility wouldn't be a factor

either way Morgred the Martian is getting hit with something which will either kill, knock out or stun him... if it kills him or KOs him then the fight is over... if it merely stuns him then following it up with 100 full strength smacks with Mjolnir in under a second will finish it

Morg is fast in terms of travel speed.... but he's outmatched here by a combination of Quasar and Flash flight and reaction speeds, he is also strong but that counts for nothing when the opponent sees you as though you move in slow motion... likewise the axe doesn't come into play.... unless i steal it from him and decapitate him with it.... big grin .....

Manhunters powers - Strength and intangibility come from his ability to control his own molecular structure.... Mordred's mind is not going to have much (if any) skill using these so his only addition to the team becomes some, if any, boost to telepathy.... which is negated by Quasar

"He's also programmed the quantum-bands to automatically protect his mind from psionic influence by producing a jamming wave in his mind."
http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html

With Mordred as the mind i can only assume that the main body of his attack will be magical... Thor's hammer can stop or absorb any magical blast, Quasar can cut through any magical construct or shield ... and with my speed you only get one shot.... and that's only if you can perform the spell within one hundredth of a second (which is highly doubtful)

Scoob.... cool

K Von Doom will post his own strategy

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Good plan Scoob.

http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html
Is a dead link.

First off, in the one hour prep-time before the fight, Morgred will be familiarising himself with his new powers which would not be all that difficult with him. Morg's high resistance/invulnerability and strength takes little time to get used to. To Morgred, MM's intangibility would be just like using a spell of intangibility but without the words. Morg's cosmic powers would be similar to mystical force bolts and shields. Mordred already has telepathy so MM's would just be a power increase. How quickly will it take Morgred to master all these newfound abilities? Regular Mordred quickly mastered heightened elemental powers and increased magical powers when Chthon took possession of his soul and seeing as Chthon still has his soul, Morgred would be able to master all these powers relatively quickly - learning new powers is nothing new to him. In the last two minutes of prep time, Morgred creates several dozen duplicates of himself, all protected by mystic and cosmic shields....

No doubt, Flash Thordon's Class 100 strength coupled with the speedforce would be able to quickly take down a slower character but how would he be able to attack me when Morgred is covered by mystical and cosmic shields, plus being intangible in addition to having multiple simulacrums around? Use the Q-bands to pummel by shields? No good, magic slices through those constructs as though they weren't even there. Cosmic awareness to find the real Morgred? Nope, he gave that back to Epoch when he came of age (or Epoch took it back). Use the hammer? Is Wendell even worthy of lifting Mjolnir? Protectors of the Universe are born, not made and Thor had to prove himself worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Use Thor's superstrength? Yep, that's the only avenue left open.

Now that I've established that there's no way for Flash Thordon to get to my character to harm him, Morgred would go on the offensive. Firstly, global-level telepathy would pummel Wendell's mind and seeing as he doesn't have an efficient defense mechanism against such an attack, the effects would last the entire fight. It wouldn't KO him but it'll serve as a distraction and a constant drain on his mind. Morgred's duplicates are also realistic enough to fool beings with enhanced senses (the Demogorge), so while Flash is busy running around trying to find the right one, each behind a mystic and cosmic shield, Morgred waits for an opening.

At an opportune moment, the shields drop and Morgred with all his duplicates pile on Flash Thordon. Mystical fire (magic coupled with elemental) burns off the quantum armor that Flash will no doubt be wearing, which now leaves him with just Thor's durability and resitance. At that moment, Morgred uses his earth powers to conjure a giant earth hand, enhanced by magic and cosmic powers, to grab Flash and hold him in place. This will hold Flash Thordon for about a millisecond before he breaks free, just enough time for Morg to punch him in the side of the head for the KO... or decapitate him with his axe. Is Morgred fast enough to do this? He can hang with a speedster like Surfer. Morgred won't get into a long drawn out fight with Thordon. My character is definitely outclassed in terms of foot speed but when it comes to stand-up fighting speed, Morgred will be able to hold his own, and then some because of Morgred's experience - he's had his face melted and arm ripped off in the same fight and still kept going.

To summarise my defense...
- Morgred is always protected by cosmic and mystical shields
- He's intangible so he can't be physically harmed
- Telepathically protected
- Highly invulnerable/resistant via Morg's body
- Illusions to draw attention away from himself

To summarise my offense...
- Superstrength, equal to Thor, at least, and higher when enhanced by power cosmic
- Telepathic attacks for which Flash Thordon has no immunity
- Illusions real enough to fool higher beings
- Command of the entire book of Darkhold
- Elemental powers
- Mystical abilities which slice through Quantum constructs
- Cosmic axe for the finishing touch, sharp enough to injure Firelord and kill Nova

ooh nice! KV! you get him good!!!

I hate Scoob for having a Character who is vulnerable totally to magic, then having a hammer than absorbs all magic...
😠

Originally posted by Evangel94
Once the battle starts FT isn't waiting around to find out what MTM has up his sleeve so he rushes in at top speed (lightspeed or there about) while blasting with full power mystical/electromagnetic energies while simultaneously draining the energies from MTM, if MTM has a magical shield up then the Quantum blasting will pass straight through, if he has a cosmic shield then the energy draining will severly affect it making it weak enough for a charged up FT to smash through like it was wet tissue paper, if he becomes intangible (which is highly doubtful as it's part of MM's bodily functions and takes a great deal of skill to accomplish) then the magical aspect of the blasts will still smack him around as it's magic-based, it's not physical, so physical intangibility wouldn't be a factor

either way Morgred the Martian is getting hit with something which will either kill, knock out or stun him... if it kills him or KOs him then the fight is over... if it merely stuns him then following it up with 100 full strength smacks with Mjolnir in under a second will finish it

Morg is fast in terms of travel speed.... but he's outmatched here by a combination of Quasar and Flash flight and reaction speeds, he is also strong but that counts for nothing when the opponent sees you as though you move in slow motion... likewise the axe doesn't come into play.... unless i steal it from him and decapitate him with it.... big grin .....

Manhunters powers - Strength and intangibility come from his ability to control his own molecular structure.... Mordred's mind is not going to have much (if any) skill using these so his only addition to the team becomes some, if any, boost to telepathy.... which is negated by Quasar

"He's also programmed the quantum-bands to automatically protect his mind from psionic influence by producing a jamming wave in his mind."
http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html

With Mordred as the mind i can only assume that the main body of his attack will be magical... Thor's hammer can stop or absorb any magical blast, Quasar can cut through any magical construct or shield ... and with my speed you only get one shot.... and that's only if you can perform the spell within one hundredth of a second (which is highly doubtful)

Scoob.... cool

Dammit Scoob! You wrote too much! 😄

Anyhoo, I've posted my first strategy above and now to counter yours:

Flash Thordon will be blasting right into the fight but which of my simulacrums will you be blasting? You're gonna be using the Q-bands against mystical shields? That'll be quite useless as Q-energies have no effect on magic, whereas a mystical bolt will pass right through a quantum construct, like a hot knife through butter. You can start absorbing the magical and cosmic energy shields that I'll have protecting me and my duplicates, but magic doesn't operate at light speed, and a magic shield will be my outer shield which you'll have to get past first before you can absorb the inner cosmic shield, and even once you get through with the first one, chances are it'll be a duplicate Morgred - of course, you won't know this seeing as you won't be able to hit him or the real Morgred because of my intangibility.

Actually, Morg travels at warp speed but he's also fast in terms of fighting speed - he wouldn't have been able to hang with the Surfer or Terrax if he fought any slower. Anyways, if for some reason or chance, Flash Thordon did connect with a punch, he's not taking out Morg with one punch as he's fought against someone as strong as Thor and as fast as Flash.

Quasar's programmed his bands to protect him from psionic influence, yes, but Morgred isn't trying to control him... he's blasting him with psionic blasts. Quite different.

Also, Quasar's human mind will be operating as normal, not at light speed. Imagine Flash Thordon using Flash's speed but his human mind not fast enough to comprehend - watch him run into my axe. Heh.

Anyways, that's it for now 😱

Well, part of Flash's power is his reaction speed and endurance.
That power would give the guys mind those reflexes.
But certianly Flash isn't experienced enough to use speed force.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Also, Quasar's human mind will be operating as normal, not at light speed. Imagine Flash Thordon using Flash's speed but his human mind not fast enough to comprehend - watch him run into my axe. Heh.

Very nice.

Originally posted by long pig
http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html
Is a dead link.

weird

http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_the_scenes/everything_quantum-bands.html

hope that works

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Use the Q-bands to pummel by shields? No good, magic slices through those constructs as though they weren't even there

this actually works both ways.... yes magic blasts willl slice through Quantum constructs.... but Quantum blasts and constructs will also cut through magical shields and creations

Originally posted by K Von Doom
To summarise my defense...
- Morgred is always protected by cosmic and mystical shields
- He's intangible so he can't be physically harmed
- Telepathically protected
- Highly invulnerable/resistant via Morg's body
- Illusions to draw attention away from himself

- mystical shields can by completely bypassed with Quantum attacks
- Cosmic shields can by drained or smashed with my earth chucking enhanced strength
- intangibility on a physical level wont be great protection from magical/mystical blasts
- i don't have telepathic attacks..... so good for you.... 😛
- Morg's resistance can't handle my boosted strength
- illusions wont fool the Quantum bands energy detection... or mjolnir's

Originally posted by K Von Doom
To summarise my offense...
- Superstrength, equal to Thor, at least, and higher when enhanced by power cosmic
- Telepathic attacks for which Flash Thordon has no immunity
- Illusions real enough to fool higher beings
- Command of the entire book of Darkhold
- Elemental powers
- Mystical abilities which slice through Quantum constructs
- Cosmic axe for the finishing touch, sharp enough to injure Firelord and kill Nova

- Thordons strength greatly surpasses Thor's thanks to the Quantum boosting
- Quantum bands provide protection from telepathy ... plus Thor also has mystical protection from mental assaults..... now i know i'm not using Thor's mind, but i have his body... therefore i have his brain.... which is protected
- fool higher beings .... but not the bands
- Darkhold suxx ballzz..... lol.... either way i can Quantum tear up anything you create.... much like you can do to me
- Complete mastery of natural and mystical storms>=Elemental powers
- "Mystical abilities which slice through Quantum constructs" i don't argue that.... but as stated... it works both ways
- Cosmic axe, Hammer wielded at Flash speeds trumps your axe.... plus i'm just gonna rip it out your hand and chop you own legs off with it

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Also, Quasar's human mind will be operating as normal, not at light speed. Imagine Flash Thordon using Flash's speed but his human mind not fast enough to comprehend - watch him run into my axe. Heh.

The speed force brings with it the reaction time capable to handle the speeds..... while i may not have full mastery over everything speedforce related i wont be running into axes.... you will still appear to be swinging in slow motion

if that wasn't the case then the Flash and Impulse(or kid flash.... "dumbest name EVER!"😉 would have made paste out of themselves first time they went for a jog

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Flash Thordon will be blasting right into the fight but which of my simulacrums will you be blasting?

all of them..... as soon as i notice duplicates popping up i create three weapons platforms for each one..... as soon as each gets hit once the blast will tell me straight away which is real or fake..... plus the Quantum bands sensing the Cosmic energies should be a dead giveaway

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Use the hammer? Is Wendell even worthy of lifting Mjolnir? Protectors of the Universe are born, not made and Thor had to prove himself worthy of lifting Mjolnir.

Thor's essence is still within the Thordon character... so i believe he is capable of using the hammer.... much like the Amalgams in the erm.... amalgam stories between Marvel and DC

of course i could go the other way and say it would be like when Superman lifted it and argue that Odin let's him use it as he knows his son's essence will be at risk

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Use Thor's superstrength? Yep, that's the only avenue left open.

Thor's strength boosted by a hell of a lot

😈

Originally posted by long pig
I hate Scoob for having a Character who is vulnerable totally to magic, then having a hammer than absorbs all magic...
😠

😈 😈 😈

😮‍💨

"while his forcefield could resist an adamantium blade, the Black Knight's magical ebony blade would be able to slice through Quasar's best quantum shield like tissue. Fortunately, magicians have no control over the energies he manipulates so he should be able to slam an energy construct through a mystical shield of Seraphim, for instance."

http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_the_scenes/everything_quantum-bands.html

Okay, here's a limitation of the Q-bands which I don't need to extrapolate further seeing as Morgred is a master magician:

"Magic. He cannot absorb it, he cannot resist it. Magic can bind him, magicians can even take over his mind"

- taken from www.quantumzone.org

here's the whole thing

"Magic. He cannot absorb it, he cannot resist it. Magic can bind him, magicians can even take over his mind. A bolt of magic will penetrate his force field. However, an enchanted physical object will only be as strong as the object itself would otherwise be: while his forcefield could resist an adamantium blade, the Black Knight's magical ebony blade would be able to slice through Quasar's best quantum shield like tissue. Fortunately, magicians have no control over the energies he manipulates so he should be able to slam an energy construct through a mystical shield of Seraphim, for instance"
http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_the_scenes/everything_quantum-bands.html

Thor still has mental protection from psionic attacks as well.... that plus the speed he'll be attacking at wont leave MTM enough time to form a thought let alone to try and take over his mind

Originally posted by Scoobless
- mystical shields can by completely bypassed with Quantum attacks
- Cosmic shields can by drained or smashed with my earth chucking enhanced strength
- intangibility on a physical level wont be great protection from magical/mystical blasts
- i don't have telepathic attacks..... so good for you.... 😛
- Morg's resistance can't handle my boosted strength
- illusions wont fool the Quantum bands energy detection... or mjolnir's

- Thordons strength greatly surpasses Thor's thanks to the Quantum boosting
- Quantum bands provide protection from telepathy ... plus Thor also has mystical protection from mental assaults..... now i know i'm not using Thor's mind, but i have his body... therefore i have his brain.... which is protected
- fool higher beings .... but not the bands
- Darkhold suxx ballzz..... lol.... either way i can Quantum tear up anything you create.... much like you can do to me
- Complete mastery of natural and mystical storms>=Elemental powers
- "Mystical abilities which slice through Quantum constructs" i don't argue that.... but as stated... it works both ways
- Cosmic axe, Hammer wielded at Flash speeds trumps your axe.... plus i'm just gonna rip it out your hand and chop you own legs off with it

The speed force brings with it the reaction time capable to handle the speeds..... while i may not have full mastery over everything speedforce related i wont be running into axes.... you will still appear to be swinging in slow motion

all of them..... as soon as i notice duplicates popping up i create three weapons platforms for each one..... as soon as each gets hit once the blast will tell me straight away which is real or fake..... plus the Quantum bands sensing the Cosmic energies should be a dead giveaway

Thor's essence is still within the Thordon character... so i believe he is capable of using the hammer.... much like the Amalgams in the erm.... amalgam stories between Marvel and DC

of course i could go the other way and say it would be like when Superman lifted it and argue that Odin let's him use it as he knows his son's essence will be at risk

Okay... the Q-bands may be able to bypass the mystical shields however you'll still have cosmic shields to deal with. As per Quasar's standard operating procedure he'll start draining the shields till they're non-existent or you could start pounding on them but this'll take time so you won't be pummelling all my duplicates in 0.3 nanoseconds. 🙂 Each of my duplicates will have a cosmic shield so you won't be able to tell if they're real or fake by tracing cosmic energies.

Intangibility protects me from physical attacks so Thordon's strength will be quite useless. Magical attacks will also be negated by Mordred's magic and the Darkhold.

Morg's resistance will be sufficient as a back-up if this turns into a boxing match but with Morgred's versatility, going toe-to-toe with Thordon will somewhat be a last resort, and even then my chances will be even - try punching or hammering someone who's intangible.

Thordon's strength will be equal to Thor's. It will only be enhanced while wearing some type of Quantum armor - which will be quickly removed by mystical fire. Well... if you have Thor's brain then I'll have Morg's cosmic senses and reaction time because that's part of his physiology - which means no one will be moving at snail's pace. Which I won't be anyway, Morg's reaction and fighting speed is the same as the Surfer's.

As I already stated in my previous post, the Q-bands can't protect you from a magician trying to take over your mind. Thor? Hmm... how many times has he been enchanted or influenced by a sorcerer/ess?

Elemental powers = power over the elements, not weather. You can make storms, wind and lightning. I'll control the water and snow that falls, the earth, fire... and Morgred can make these out of nothing, not just control what's existing.

Well... Morgred won't be using the axe, except as a coup de grace or a killing blow.

I bring up the "worthiness" thing because young Thor also had "Thor's essence" but he wasn't able to lift it. But I'll be handicapping you if the hammer's taken away so I'll give you that. 🙂

Take that Scoob! 😱

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Okay... the Q-bands may be able to bypass the mystical shields

yup... 😄

Originally posted by K Von Doom
you'll still have cosmic shields to deal with. As per Quasar's standard operating procedure he'll start draining the shields till they're non-existent or you could start pounding on them but this'll take time so you won't be pummelling all my duplicates in 0.3 nanoseconds. 🙂 Each of my duplicates will have a cosmic shield so you won't be able to tell if they're real or fake by tracing cosmic energies.

your duplicates are handled by my automated Quantum weapon platforms and will provide little or no additional distraction
Quasar will also be able to trace the Cosmic energy back to the source relatively easily

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Intangibility protects me from physical attacks so Thordon's strength will be quite useless. Magical attacks will also be negated by Mordred's magic and the Darkhold.

Mjolnirs continual mystical barrage when enhanced by Quantum energies will take down any shield.... intangibility can also be affected by certain energies both natural and mystical... as Quasar controls almost all natural energies it would only be a matter of time (time passed at superspeed) until he found one type that effects your form

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Morg's resistance will be sufficient as a back-up if this turns into a boxing match
Thordon's strength will be equal to Thor's. It will only be enhanced while wearing some type of Quantum armor

not really.... Morg may be able to match Thor in a boxing match but this is an amplified Thor with much greater reaction speed.... Quantum armour isn't needed to enhance his strength ... he just channels the power into himself

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Morg's reaction and fighting speed is the same as the Surfer's.

which is still well below the Flash's..... it's argued a lot that Surfer has warp speed reactions.... but it has never been shown... Flash shows it all the time.... if Surfer had reaction speeds like the Flash then he would have no trouble at all with Thanos

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Thor? Hmm... how many times has he been enchanted or influenced by a sorcerer/ess?

if he had an easy to influence mind then Loki would've taken him over long ago..... or the Enchantress... or one of the many other beings of godly magic he fights

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Elemental powers = power over the elements, not weather. You can make storms, wind and lightning. I'll control the water and snow that falls, the earth, fire... and Morgred can make these out of nothing, not just control what's existing.

i wasn't even going to mention the weather as it wouldn't really affect either combatant

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there's more counter strategy..... time to go on offense

Thordon has limitless energy at his disposal via the Quantum bands, with his mind operating at Flash levels he can create hundreds of constructs a second..... Quasar has given the Surfer plenty of trouble before at his regular speed so this should be more than enough to assault and take down shields of anyone with around the Surfer's level of power cosmic.... this assault can happen alongside the continual hammer blasts as that requires less concentration once it's begun (more of an on-off thing) .... so a cosmic shield destroying assault that wont notice your magical shields is on you..... your only defence is intangibility which will only protect you for the few moments it takes for Thordon to run through every universal energy at his disposal.... though i do believe magical energy blasts can affect the physically intangible i have definitely Vision, Moonstone and other phasers hampered by various energy blasts and fields

Originally posted by Scoobless
your duplicates are handled by my automated Quantum weapon platforms and will provide little or no additional distraction
Quasar will also be able to trace the Cosmic energy back to the source relatively easily

Mjolnirs continual mystical barrage when enhanced by Quantum energies will take down any shield.... intangibility can also be affected by certain energies both natural and mystical... as Quasar controls almost all natural energies it would only be a matter of time (time passed at superspeed) until he found one type that effects your form

not really.... Morg may be able to match Thor in a boxing match but this is an amplified Thor with much greater reaction speed.... Quantum armour isn't needed to enhance his strength ... he just channels the power into himself

which is still well below the Flash's..... it's argued a lot that Surfer has warp speed reactions.... but it has never been shown... Flash shows it all the time.... if Surfer had reaction speeds like the Flash then he would have no trouble at all with Thanos

if he had an easy to influence mind then Loki would've taken him over long ago..... or the Enchantress... or one of the many other beings of godly magic he fights

i wasn't even going to mention the weather as it wouldn't really affect either combatant

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there's more counter strategy..... time to go on offense

Thordon has limitless energy at his disposal via the Quantum bands, with his mind operating at Flash levels he can create hundreds of constructs a second..... Quasar has given the Surfer plenty of trouble before at his regular speed so this should be more than enough to assault and take down shields of anyone with around the Surfer's level of power cosmic.... this assault can happen alongside the continual hammer blasts as that requires less concentration once it's begun (more of an on-off thing) .... so a cosmic shield destroying assault that wont notice your magical shields is on you..... your only defence is intangibility which will only protect you for the few moments it takes for Thordon to run through every universal energy at his disposal.... though i do believe magical energy blasts can affect the physically intangible i have definitely Vision, Moonstone and other phasers hampered by various energy blasts and fields

"Automated Quantum Weapon Platforms"? Nice try Scoob. I love Quasar and I wish he could do that but...

"However, there is a definite limit to the number of things he can animate at the same time. If a construct has moving parts--say, two blades of a pair of scissors--it will take concentration to keep that object operating. When he stops thinking about it, it will stop moving though it will not blink out of existence"

"While it's possible to perform two similar but different tasks at the same time it's difficult and takes longer than doing a sequence of separate tasks. In other words, to form a shield and a chair at the same time would probably take him just as long as forming one first and then the other, and they probably would not be as well constructed as doing them separately."

... if Quasar has to concentrate to operate a pair of scissors...

FT wouldn't be able to channel quantum energy straight into himself. I mean, how many times have you seen Quasar lifting heavy weights all by his lonesome? He uses the Q-bands to make armor in order for him to do that. The Q-bands are strictly and outer power, not used to enhance strength and agility.

Hmm... you're saying Flash would beat Thanos? All the heralds have hightened reaction speed, if not, do you know how many planets and moons they'd be bumping into while flying at warp speed? So, additionally, if they can fly and react at warp speed, then they'd be fighting at that speed.

I believe you'll agree that Loki and Enchantress have both, at one time or another, influenced, clouded or controlled Thor's mind. Of course, in the end, being the hero Thor would break free. But that's after a while - but this fight will last about two minutes at the longest.

While Q-bands can neglect mystical shields, Quasar can still be bound by mystical means so the crimson bands aren't out of the question.

I wasn't going to mention the weather either but my point was just to counter your claim that weather control > elemental powers.

A new offense would go like this....

- The real Morgred will be in the middle of the battlefield once the fight begins
- He's surrounded by numerous duplicates which he created during prep time. In addition, these duplicates are protected by magical and cosmic shields
- Morgred is intangible
- Thordon starts hammering through the shields looking for the real Morgred
- A constant stream of telepathic blasts attack Thordon's mind, rendering him incapable of creating effective Q-constructs on the fly (see Q-bands limitations)
- Dozens of earth pillars shoot up from the ground forcing Thordon to split his time between hammering shields and dodging the pillars
- Mystical fire engulfs Thordon as he's flying around, taking away any Quantum armor he might be wearing and any strength enhancements that gave him, leaving him with regular Thor strength
- While Thordon is busy dodging pillars and attempting to break shields, all the duplicate Morgreds throw their axes at him, and Thordon, not knowing that they're merely illusions, evades them, putting him more on the defensive
- Then Morgred casts a mystical mind-clouding spell that convinces Thordon that the real Morgred is right in front of him... Thordon throws Mjolnir towards his foe, convinced that it'll break through any shield, which it won't but that doesn't matter
- As Thordon releases Mjolnir, the crimson bands of cytorrak grab hold of his arms, holding them in place, a giant earth formation grabs hold of the rest of him... then the real Morgred teleports behind Thordon. He plunges his arm right into Thordon's back and rips out his spine... ending the fight (just as he did with the Demogorge) 🙄

That doesn't sound very nice at all... Give peace a chance, people.

Originally posted by Scoobless
"Magic. He cannot absorb it, he cannot resist it. Magic can bind him, magicians can even take over his mind.

Emphasizing this bit but I'll be kind and not take over his mind, just cloud it enough... for now. And it's Wendell's mind, not Thor's brain, not that it makes any difference... both can be sufficiently confused 😈

too....much...information.....gyahhh!

Nice fight. This is how they all should be (longpig/Sentry came the closest in my mind).

Question...I think I understand the magic/Quantum stuff, but would they collide into each other and cancel each other out? Or are they (quantum energy and magical energy) operating on different levels of energy and therefore just 'going through' each other?

That it for now...points to KVD for the gruesome ending there, but I haven't made my mind up yet, so keep it up.

-DM