Evangel's Amalgam Tournament: Scoobless vs K Von Doom (Vote Now!)

Originally posted by long pig
He can confuse your mind, easily.
I don't buy the whole "its thors body, so his brain is as protected as his mind" when reffering to having Quazars mind.

both are even, just see it going KVD's way.

Could Quazar even lift mjolnir??? I doubt it.
It has nothing to do with the body, but the mind, and Quazar isn't very pure of heart.

well i see any meta-human ability a character possesses as being part of their "power"..... so when i chose the characters i assumed that meant all their abilities (meaning Thor's resilience to mental assault)

and the purity thing has been discussed..... Superman lifted it, Thor-El + Thorion lifted it (neither of those were Thor, but an amalgam) Thor is still a part of Thordon... so i don't see a problem with it

confusion may still be possible but when he's got his attention focused in so many different directions it would be extremely difficult (if not impossible) for him to confuse FT before he makes 5-10 moves while working with Flash reaction times...... with the mental and magical energies spent in the creation, animation and shielding of his duplicates i don't see him having any time for an effective psi-attack against a lightspeed assault

Originally posted by Scoobless
yeah.... i was just emphasising that the magic control thing is a non-factor

as for closeness....... with KVD expending enough concentration and power to create duplicates that'll last more than half a second, while mentally animating them to seem realistic enough to be a valid distraction [b]AND animating the ground/granite, creating flames and also attempting psi-blasts.... his concentration and power is spread far too thinly to accomplish any of these tasks with any degree of success... FT's focused barrage will destroy each of these duplicates on contact while his continual motion will make it extremely unlikely that Thordon would be struck by any assault of MTM [/B]

The magic control thing is a major factor. 😱

The duplicates will be created before the battle... and I can easily telepathhically convince you that they're real... and I wouldn't even have to make actual duplicates - mentally influence you that there are a hundred MTM's around. Should'a picked a better telepathically-defended character Scoob 😉 Morgred regularly uses his magic, coupled with his elemental powers while telepathically talking to someone so multitasking is second nature to him. Spread too thin? If the power is there, it's used at its full potential.

Originally posted by Scoobless
well i see any meta-human ability a character possesses as being part of their "power"..... so when i chose the characters i assumed that meant all their abilities (meaning Thor's resilience to mental assault)

and the purity thing has been discussed..... Superman lifted it, Thor-El + Thorion lifted it (neither of those were Thor, but an amalgam) Thor is still a part of Thordon... so i don't see a problem with it

confusion may still be possible but when he's got his attention focused in so many different directions it would be extremely difficult (if not impossible) for him to confuse FT before he makes 5-10 moves while working with Flash reaction times...... with the mental and magical energies spent in the creation, animation and shielding of his duplicates i don't see him having any time for an effective psi-attack against a lightspeed assault

Resilience. Not immunity. But it's already been discussed that Thor's susceptible to magical influence and confusion. But it seems to be a non-issue seeing as it's Quasar's mind. I'm not attacking your brain, I'm attacking your mind.

Actually, Superman didn't lift it. Thor threw it at him, Superman caught it and used its momentum to smash open a door. When Juggernaut caught a ride on Mjolnir as it flew back to Thor, you wouldn't say Juggernaut lifted it. I did bring up the worthiness issue... and seeing as "worthiness" is a way-of-thinking, not really associated with the body, Quasar wouldn't be able to. Young Thor couldn't lift Mjolnir when he started out and that was the REAL Thor... his mind needed maturing, experience, honour... etc.

A lightspeed assault that has been convinced into thinking a mountain is his the real MTM. I don't think my guy will be shaking in his boots while watching such a spectacle. 😎

Originally posted by K Von Doom
It's not really going to matter if you mix quantum energy with the hammer's magic energy because your magic energy will be blocked by my mystic shields and the quantum energy by my cosmic shields... the two energies will be split up anyway.

regardless... they are fired simultaneously along with the lightning strikes(both natural and mystical) if your magic shield is the outer then the mystical blasts will still damage it and the quantum blasts will decimate it, if your cosmic shield is the outer it will be affected by both assaults.... and whichever is outer will be drained through either the hammer the bands or both... constant draining = constant amplification of my own power

Originally posted by K Von Doom
The granite pillars shooting from the ground aren't for "breaking through" quantum shields, they're to knock you around if you don't evade them. Or you can smash through them if you'd like... if they're not just a figment of your imagination... and the ones that you choose to believe are just illusions are real.

dodge, block, smash through, fly above..... either way it's still further using up of your limited magical energies... especially if you're attempting multiple power usage (illusions, granite, shields, duplicates, wind)

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Yep, you can concentrate your power on the duplicates, that's I was hoping you'd do... While trying to smash or absorb away at any of the duplicates, the crimson bands will be conjured

bands that will be extremely difficult to apply to an opponent you can barely see moving.... and that's only if i don't detect the source of the cosmic energies (which is unlikely) or score a lucky hit on the real MTM ... which isn't all that unlikely considering the speed and range of the attacks being used...(lightning can be summoned to strike every target at once).... and even IF you got close to getting the C-bands applied.... it would all be moving in such slow motion to an evasive FT that he'd absorb all that extra energy into Mjolnir before they are even fully formed..... which further boosts my power

Originally posted by K Von Doom
And how will you be concentrating all your efforts on a single target when I'll be teleporting all over the battlefield? The moment I see you closing in,

the moment you see me i'll have already attacked with all the power blasts and lightning at my disposal.... anyway you cut it FT's speed earns him the first move

Quasar can also teleport to avoid things, he wouldn't normally use this within a planetary environment due to the damage it could cause to the ecosystem... but when he's fighting for EVERYTHING .... he's not going to hold back and let the universe be destroyed on the possibility that teleporting may or may not damage one planet

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i notice that i keep shifting between reffering to my character with the terms I, my, FT, he, Thordon .... anyone else find they mess these up during tournament debates?

Originally posted by K Von Doom
A lightspeed assault that has been convinced into thinking a mountain is his the real MTM. I don't think my guy will be shaking in his boots while watching such a spectacle. 😎

well as their is no influencing prior to the start of the match theirs no way your characters mind will be working as fast as FT's is.... so the initial strike will be mine (his)

The bands can chase you down or just appear around you, and be set to catch the nearest person.
Doesn't need to know where you are, he just needs to know you are there.

😂 I called my guy "me" a million times, and it's kinda ......odd.

BTW, are ring outs against the rules???

Originally posted by Scoobless
[b]"Certain powers are banned......

11. Mind control (IE., Emma Frost taking over a foe's mind and using him to fight his own team, kill himself, etc.)"

• A mental attack on an opponent is allowed though.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=337503&highlight=evangel[/B]

i think you may be limited to psi-blasts rather than projecting images into another's mind

Originally posted by K Von Doom
I did bring up the worthiness issue... and seeing as "worthiness" is a way-of-thinking, not really associated with the body, Quasar wouldn't be able to

until i see a scan of Quasar failing to lift Mjolnir there is no way you can say for definite that he's unworthy

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and even if i see that scan ... well he's still an amalgam ... and all the previous Thor amalgams have been fine with the hammer

Originally posted by Scoobless
well as their is no influencing prior to the start of the match theirs no way your characters mind will be working as fast as FT's is.... so the initial strike will be mine (his)

Initial strike doesn't matter if it's on a duplicate or a shield or an imaginary object

Originally posted by Scoobless
i think you may be limited to psi-blasts rather than projecting images into another's mind

until i see a scan of Quasar failing to lift Mjolnir there is no way you can say for definite that he's unworthy

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and even if i see that scan ... well he's still an amalgam ... and all the previous Thor amalgams have been fine with the hammer

Again, I'm not controlling your mind... psi blasts and clouding it enough for you to think a mountain range is the actual enemy. Like when you see some crazy guy screaming at a tree... no ones' controlling him, his mind is just not 100%... same as your guy when MTM is through with him.

Well... until I see a scan of Quasar lifting the hammer there's no way to say that he's worthy. Heh. 😄 But if Mjolnir is essential to your plans, you can have the hammer.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Initial strike doesn't matter if it's on a duplicate or a shield or an imaginary object

it does if he sweeps over every target with full power blasts and hits them all with intense mystical lightning simultaneously... only need to tag you once to shock you long enough to tell which is the real one

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the time difference factor is kicking in again...... sleep1

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Well... until I see a scan of Quasar lifting the hammer there's no way to say that he's worthy. Heh. 😄

if i had a scanner i'd draw you a quick sketch of it...... or better yet.... here's Thordon holding the hammer

Originally posted by Scoobless
it does if he sweeps over every target with full power blasts and hits them all with intense mystical lightning simultaneously... only need to tag you once to shock you long enough to tell which is the real one

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the time difference factor is kicking in again.....

Well, you said yourself, all heralds have highly enhanced vision so before FT gets even close to my guy.... teleport to another area.

.... excellent....

Originally posted by long pig
The bands can chase you down or just appear around you, and be set to catch the nearest person.
Doesn't need to know where you are, he just needs to know you are there.

😂 I called my guy "me" a million times, and it's kinda ......odd.

BTW, are ring outs against the rules???

Thanks 😄 With regards to ring out, I don't think the participants can leave the battlefield... like running or teleporting to the moon for recovery time - not allowed.

Hell yeah, argue!!!!

Finally, and good job on BOTH sides so far!!

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Well, you said yourself, all heralds have highly enhanced vision so before FT gets even close to my guy.... teleport to another area.

.... excellent....

doesn't stop ME from summoning lightning to YOU before YOU can teleport/move

lol

ok, i'm hitting the sack..... i'll foil the rest of your evil plots tomorrow

Originally posted by Scoobless
regardless... they are fired simultaneously along with the lightning strikes(both natural and mystical) if your magic shield is the outer then the mystical blasts will still damage it and the quantum blasts will decimate it, if your cosmic shield is the outer it will be affected by both assaults.... and whichever is outer will be drained through either the hammer the bands or both... constant draining = constant amplification of my own power

dodge, block, smash through, fly above..... either way it's still further using up of your limited magical energies... especially if you're attempting multiple power usage (illusions, granite, shields, duplicates, wind)

bands that will be extremely difficult to apply to an opponent you can barely see moving.... and that's only if i don't detect the source of the cosmic energies (which is unlikely) or score a lucky hit on the real MTM ... which isn't all that unlikely considering the speed and range of the attacks being used...(lightning can be summoned to strike every target at once).... and even [b]IF you got close to getting the C-bands applied.... it would all be moving in such slow motion to an evasive FT that he'd absorb all that extra energy into Mjolnir before they are even fully formed..... which further boosts my power

Quasar can also teleport to avoid things, he wouldn't normally use this within a planetary environment due to the damage it could cause to the ecosystem... but when he's fighting for EVERYTHING .... he's not going to hold back and let the universe be destroyed on the possibility that teleporting may or may not damage one planet
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Quasar's teleporting is different... he's going from our dimension to the Quantum Zone then appearing at his desired location... like entering a tunnel between two places... going into the Q-Zone would be considered a "ring out". You can use it if you'd like because I don't see the point, but we'll let Evangel rule on it.

Actually it's the other way around, the magic shields are outer, which will block Mjolnir's blasts and lightning, letting your Q-blasts through but blocked by the cosmic shield. And draining magical and cosmic energy doesn't happen at lightspeed, so the more you drain, the more susceptible you are to telepathic and physical attacks.

Longpig already countered your point about the Crimson Bands.

Limited magical energies? Mordred's limits have not been shown but they are considerable... the Darkhold and magical knowledge given to him by Chthon... so running out of magic is the least of MTM's concerns. 😱

Originally posted by Scoobless
doesn't stop [b]ME from summoning lightning to YOU before YOU can teleport/move
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Nope it doesn't stop you from doing that, but which of the duplicates will you be aiming at? And each has cosmic/mystic shields remember, so no way that lightning, regular or otherwise, is getting through that.

Originally posted by Dizzle
I was assuming that even though its a bodily function, Morgred would still be able to use the strength enhancing if he wanted to. But I think KVD was arguing MM's speed and strength enhancing as a way to outclass FT physically, so I was asking how long he would be able to do that for without making it a suicide move...

Just read back a couple of pages, and thought I'd answer this one: Morgred could use Martian Manhunter's ability to increase his strength to Superman-level but doing that places a strain on his molecules so I won't be going down that road. Because, similarly, Morgred can increase his strength using the power cosmic to higher strength levels. Martian Manhunter's speed will still be in effect though, if Morg's speed is in doubt. 🙂

Ok, 3 things. 1st, can't Thor teleport too, which would kinda screw the whole ring out idea?

2nd For his first strike, I'm pretty sure FT could call lightning on all of the MtM's present, Thor has great weather control and he's operating at light speed here.

3rd How fast is MM exactly? Never saw him as a true speedster...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Ok, 3 things. 1st, can't Thor teleport too, which would kinda screw the whole ring out idea?

2nd For his first strike, I'm pretty sure FT could call lightning on all of the MtM's present, Thor has great weather control and he's operating at light speed here.

3rd How fast is MM exactly? Never saw him as a true speedster...

1. Thor can use his hammer to create a portal to different dimensions. I'm saying Quasar's form of teleportation would be considered a "Ring out" because he's travelling to another dimension - the Q-Zone.

2. Yes he can but lightning would do little to my shields so it'd be a wasted effort. And again, which of the duplicates is he aiming at?

3. In terms of speed, MM is comparable to Superman.

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