RotS Vader vs OT Vader

Ok, I know that most of you will think that I am insane making this a battle, but hear me out.

OT Vader has far more experience than RotS Vader does, he is calmer and thinks things out more.
Yes his blows are slower, but they are more powerful.
He also has far more control over the force than RotS Vader does. He is able to duel Luke in ESB and throw dozens of the poles at him. Impressive since most people can only do one or the other, he had to focus on attacking and controling a dozen objects. OT Vader can also choke a person from 8 miles away (choking Ozzel on the Executor), RotS Vader had trouble choking a person who was directly in front of him. It may be because that person was Padme, but at that point he was not thinking and was completely consumed by the dark side, I do not think that it would matter much.
Also, OT Vader has been training under Palpentine for 20 years, he knows far more of the dark side and of the force in general than RotS Vader does.
Finally, it never says that the lava made Anakin weaker, just prevented him from growing more powerful. However OT Vader has gained control over those powers.

I am very sorry but I'm a bit drowsy at the moment. Please re-tell me what ROTS and OT are. I know I just don't remember.

RotS is Return of the Sith

OT is Original Trilogy, like A New Hope, Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi

Well actually Revan Darkstar, Lucas does say that he loses a lot of his power when he became mecha Vader. As for choking, I'm really surprised he could even do that since he never learned anything about the dark side, he shouldn't have even been a Sith lord yet since he hadn't learned anything about the Sith teachings, he was just a powerful Dark Jedi. As for choking Ozzel 8 miles away, Exar Kun's SPIRIT could choke twelve Jedi padawans, only with the Force they barely resisted it. Throwing the objects: Vader mostly stood there and did that, only attacking with one slash or so. Dooku did that and he lost to ROTS Anakin. Sidious could throw several senate chairs around.

Now Mecha Vader would know way more of the dark side of the Force, but ROTS Anakin knows enough that it wouldn't help Vader much. Anakin is WAY better with a lightsaber and the only way Mecha Vader would win is to outsmart him. I think ROTS Anakin takes this pretty easy.

Well,i actually think OT Vader would win,before your whole explanation.

ROTS Anakin has the power, but OT Vader has the brain. If Vader can outsmart Anakin, he might win, but otherwise, I might have to go with ROTS Anakin.

Bump.

In The Clone Wars Anakin chokes a Skaokan. By the way, ROTS stands for Revenge of the Sith, sorry, it was bugging me, I know you know Darkstar.

I say OT Vader stomps his former self. He has 20+ years of intense Sith training, more control over his powers, he has been learning from a master who would teach him how to become powerful and not hold back. Sure, he has lost mobility, but his armor makes up for most of that. He took a lightsaber hit from Luke on the shoulder, and didn't give it a second thought.

And Vader was just standing there because he didn't need to move. He needed to show Luke his power tell him to learn it and overthrow the Emperor.

OT Vader

I belive ROTS Anakin would win. Although Vader might be smarter and calmer, Anakin is too fast for him. Anakin beated Assaj Ventress, there he didn't seem to need to be smart, he beated Dooku too. Vader was beaten by a padawan, he wouldent be able to parry all of Anakins strikes, he wouldent get a chance to outsmart him. Clearly, he couldent outsmart Luke who was just swinging his lightsaber back and forthö

OT Vader has become a master in technique and being. Even though he lost some 'force potential', he beats the crap out of ROTS Vader.
Vader ROTS having more power? I'd like to see him pick up a man with only one arm.

Physical power ain't gonna do him much good here.
ROTS Vader had a higher potential (which was what I meant).

Vader was beaten by Luke, he was just swinging his lightsaber back and forth. It's arguable if he didn't want to hurt Luke but that's not an excuse of dropping your defence for those kind of attacks. ROTS Vader would easily break through his defence.
And how is Vader going to outsmart him?? He is not exactly agile or fast and could not hope to do like Obi-Wan did to Anakin.

The flashy ways of Ataru also makes practicians look like waving a lightsaber like retards.

The argument of "OMFG HE LOST TO A ROOKIE!!" Is totally out of place here.. Slip ups are constantly made in SW, it isn't an argument.

And what is with saying "ROTS Vader had a higher potential"? Potential: key word.

And yes, OT Vader can definately 'outsmart' ROTS Vader as that one rushes into fights and is arrogant and naive. ROTS Vader would most likely be the first one to slip up.

Assaj Ventress was a very skilled tactian, still she lost to him when he was still a padawan going to knight hood.
How is "Vader lost to a padawan" not something to use in an argument?
I agree that on some terms that kind of argument could be out of place but I doubt it is here. This was a padawan that had trained for 6 months and was filled with anger only swinging his saber from the left to the right. If he couldent parry that without getting put down on his ass and losing his hand I have no idea how he is going to face Anakin who actually had skills.
Anakin isent exactly easy to take down, Obi-Wan struggled with him for a long, long time before he could take him out by gaining the high ground, and on Mustafar it was much easier to use the enviroment than..... um... where is this fight?

What exactly do you mean with outsmart, like gaining high ground?

I don't feel arguing Lukes skills right now, call me tomorrow for that. For now I'll focus on the topic at hand.

I have no idea how he is going to face Anakin who actually had skills.

You think his skills didn't improve one bit over the years of training under the dark side and hunting down the last jedi? You are horribly mistaken. He perfected Shienn and was a real master being able to fight Obi Wan who did improve according to everybody wich I agree with.
The OT Vader beats the crap out of ROTS' his lightsaber and defeats him with perfected skills.

And you can refer to keeping a cool head and using the lightsaber technique when and however needed when talking about this 'outsmarting'.

Sure Vader's abilities with a lightsaber improved, but he was still more machine than man and could not move fast at all, damn he could hardly lift his lightsaber over his head. He was not the same person that he was before. No longer an athletic jedi and young and strong, he was a crippled machine.
Although he might have more techniques than ROTS Anakin he is way to fast for him.

GL himself has said that there is nothing wrong with the way they fight in the OT, he said that Vader was a crippled old man, that Obi-Wan was as well and Luke was just an untrained padawan. Obi-Wan did not improve much, he most likley decreased his skills. Watch the ANH battle between him and Vader.

Watch the ANH battle? Watch the ESB battle.
Vader most certainly can move and fight fast but it is not happening constantly as is the deal with other fights. Vader constantly relies on his strength to fight.
Everytime they makes some quick parries and swings they lock down in lightsabers. This is Shienn. Darth Vader just constantly tries to push away the opponents saber to make the second move. Check out the end of the fight where Vader beats away Lukes lightsaber, immediately returns and cuts off his hand.

Why else would Vader be able to kill all jedi? I'm saying Vader completely perfected his lightsaber style and has become almost undefeatable like Obi Wan. Shienn and Soresu are just the ultimate fighting styles.

I think ROTS' Vader will not be able to take the power and technique of himself when he is a master lightsaber dualist.

Ok I guess we can't use the battle scenes from the films as a fact because in ANH we know he wants to kill Obi badly, still he is really slow and not effective at all, yet when he faces Luke in ESB who he doesent wanna kill he is much faster. LMAO.

Vader didn't exactly go and kill all the jedi himself, he let the clones take most of them out.

If Vader is almost undefetable how come his defence is penetrated by some silly attacks, him losing to a reincarnation of Darth Maul who didn't even posses all his power or skills (he was lucky and stabbed Maul in the back while he was about to finish him).

Darth Vader (mech) can also get very cocky, for example when he faced Luke in ESB, he got a strike on his shoulder. He was lucky that Luke didn't hit his head. Luke also kicked him down from that platform, and he was counting Luke for knocked out when he fell into the carbon pit. Don't you think he would get cocky seeing his younger self.

Like Ive been saying all along, OT vader owns ROTS vader. Darkstar already made the points that I was going to make, and they eclipse the reasons why ROTS vader might win.

he wants to kill Obi badly, still he is really slow
yet when he faces Luke in ESB who he doesent wanna kill he is much faster.

Well, I didn't make the movies but I will presume that Vader could've fought the way he did in ESB whenever he could.

If Vader is almost undefetable how come his defence is penetrated by some silly attacks, him losing to a reincarnation of Darth Maul who didn't even posses all his power or skills (he was lucky and stabbed Maul in the back while he was about to finish him)

Maybe he keeps his head cool and actually fights him effectively. Anyway, how am I supposed to clearly judge the way he fights Maul if I can't see it on images? But my previous arguments still stand no matter what some clone Maul did.
Vaders defences are still great because of a perfected Shienn wich is using Soresu to counter attack.

Darth Vader (mech) can also get very cocky, for example when he faced Luke in ESB, he got a strike on his shoulder. He was lucky that Luke didn't hit his head. Luke also kicked him down from that platform, and he was counting Luke for knocked out when he fell into the carbon pit. Don't you think he would get cocky seeing his younger self.

His younger self is still more 'cocky' and arrogant.
The ROTS Vader would still slip up easier or just plainly get defeated by OT Vader.