x-men vs jla best line up

Originally posted by derrick24
who can operate at the speed of light beside flash on the jla. From my knowledge superman can only go faster than a speed bullet. Superman is nowhere near the speed of light. If he is please give me a sight on where it says that because the last sight i read it says that he can only go up to 3000 mile a second, which is how fast a bullet goes.

Superman can hit a high percentage of lightspeed but I don't know how much. You can look here and see where fans are quoting comics where he has moved faster than a bullet.

besides Flash? anyone he gives speed to.......ok man i got to admit i would usually argue for the x-men, with iceman and Joseph being the big hitters (i can think of some ways that iceman could take supes) but JLA wins.....MM is more powerful than Xavier, Flash has toooo many speed tricks, Aquaman could beat the snot out of wolvie telepathically (and dont count Batman out) also Green Lantern has control over the electromagnetic spectrum (which is what Mags controls) and a hue of other powers.....JLA wins man

you forgot about rachel who has control of the phoenix force

Originally posted by derrick24
you forgot about rachel who has control of the phoenix force

And you forget that when your speed is stolen, you can't use powers.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Flash could do it by himself if WW lent him the lasso.

so youre saying that flash is going to give jla the win ( which i really doubt could happen). The jla had a hard time with the weak version of the xmen during access crossover. I dont understand how they could handle some of the xmen heaviest hitters.

rachel could also take away the powers of the jla, phoenix does that all the time.

this is rachel powers:

inherited psionic Powers and Abilities:
telepath able to read minds, project thoughts, send out her astral form, and manipulate thoughts to control minds, cast illusions, and alter memories, psychokinetic able to lift, direct, and manipulate physical objects, project psionic force blasts, generate force fields, and fly, project the consciousnesses of herself and other humans through the fabric of time and space c power that she manifests as telepathy, psychokinesis, and a chronoskimming talent that enables her to draw forth her own mind or the minds of others and send them into the timestream, causing them to arrive in another time period either in an astral form, within their own body or that of their closest ancestor or descendant; formerly acted as host of the Phoenix Force, which amplified her telepathic and telekinetic abilities and allowed her to physically transport herself and other people or objects through time at will

The Flash: Speed of Light

Supes: 2000 miles per second (running)

Bullet from SA80 Assault Rifle British Royal Army: 2115 mile per hour

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Both Flash and Superman run many, MANY times faster than a bullet. They've both shown the ability to accelerate from standstill to such speeds virtually instantly.

Flash's lightspeed punches can take care of most of the X-Men quite easily. Collossus would be harder, but Flash'd just leave him to Supes.

If the JLA were to go all out, these two heavy hitters would destroy the X-Men in the first second of the fight.

Before the X-Men could react to anything, or think of anything, or twitch a muscle.

That's before you add WonderWoman (supersonic, superstrong, excellent fighting skill, indestructable bracelets, unbreakable lasso), Martian Manhunter (flight, superspeed+strength, very very powerful telepath, laser eyes) etc etc etc....

The X-Men are going down.

Very quickly indeed.

rachel flies at warp speed, faster than the speed of light. North star was classified as moving at the speed of light. Like you said before northstar and rachel could take out aquaman and rachel could take out diana and martian manhunter before they blink a eye, (since mm does hate fire and rachael have plenty of that) and north star would speed blitz batman. When have you seen superman use his speed in a fight, never. Like i said before magneto would stop the blood in superman body or make all the blood in his entire body go out of his nose and mouth. Since superman speed blitz all the time why didnt he speed blitz the team of villians that ral ul had, instead superman got stabbed in the chest.

Magneto said that Northstar doesn't even move as fast as Quicksilver.

When has Rachel fought at warp speed...?

Why do people say 'Supes never uses he speed'? It's ebcause of that one fight with Doomsday. Superman uses his speed all the time, blocking bullets, lasers, chasing missiles/spaceships etc etc etc. Read a Superman comic.

Oh yeah - plus Red Son Superman defated the ENTIRE GL Corp before they could move. Never speed blitzes eh?

Like I said, read some Supes comics.

Why would Mags magnetic powers do anything to Supes? Supes has a constantly refreshed bio-field surrounding his body. I don't believe that Supes could be injured on a magnetic level by magneto. Superman has flown into blackholes and stars - there's nothing in Mag's arsenal that he hasn't faced before.

Superman can take most of X-men by himself.

even if Northstar can move at the speed of light what happens when Flash gives speed to all of his teammates. Then you have the JLA Light. Flash could also then steal all of the Xmen's speed. And the JLA Light then pummels them.

Originally posted by derrick24
you forgot about rachel who has control of the phoenix force

no she doesnt. Shes not a host right now. She has a fraction, lent to her by her mother.

Originally posted by derrick24
rachel could also take away the powers of the jla, phoenix does that all the time.

too bad rachel isn't phoenix. This isn't 1984.

Originally posted by derrick24
You have it backwards rachel took out emma.

Originally posted by derrick24
Lets put it like this joseph would just control all of the iron in there blood making it so they wont be able to move. Dont say that superman dont have iron in his blood because i seen in a issue where a guy turned superman iron in his blood into kryptonite. And while they are in a frozen state by magneto, wolverine would be able to go around and see who his claws work on, stabbing each of them in the head. If his claws dont work on superman, they would have rachel absorb all of superman solar energy then wolverine has another shot at stabbing that head again. Only had to use 2 people to bring the jla down.

wolverine is utterly superfluous in this matchup. Seriously, get a clue about wolverine. he would be thrown into the next state within .3 seconds of the fight starting.

joseph was never as powerful as Magneto- he didn't have the experience or the training. Oh, and youre still overrating him. I'm a huge X-men fan, and I think the JLA are boring as all heck, but they'd sure as hell kick the crap out of this X-men lineup. The two groups are on different levels. The JLA's biggest advantage in this matchup is SPEED. They have at least FOUR members with superspeed, with Flash going at above lightspeed, Supes close to lightspeed, WW and MM at supersonic speeds. Within seconds Rachel, Storm and anyone with no defensive abilities would be out of commission, leaving iceman, cannonball and joseph to fight the entire battle. All of whom would be meat to the telepaths and/or superman.

you all give superman to much credit, he isnt even invulnerable, he can just take a lot of punishment. superman isnt speed blitzing anyone if he speed blitz all of the time he would have speed blitz that team that made batman and superman go against the world, the team that ral ul created but since he didnt speed blitz he ended up with a blade in his chest by ral ul.
this is a great fight and i think the xmen could win this fight starting with storm creating 50 tornadoes over the jla heads giving the xmen time to think of a plan. Superman does have iron in his blood, in the same serious where he got stabbed a guy in that book turned his iron into kryptonite.

Originally posted by derrick24
you all give superman to much credit, he isnt even invulnerable, he can just take a lot of punishment. superman isnt speed blitzing anyone if he speed blitz all of the time he would have speed blitz that team that made batman and superman go against the world, the team that ral ul created but since he didnt speed blitz he ended up with a blade in his chest by ral ul.
this is a great fight and i think the xmen could win this fight starting with storm creating 50 tornadoes over the jla heads giving the xmen time to think of a plan. Superman does have iron in his blood, in the same serious where he got stabbed a guy in that book turned his iron into kryptonite.

except Superman IS invulnerable. He has a bio field. Each of his cells is superpowered and immune to most damage, the things disrupting it being certain energy attacks (like electricity- a lot of it) and magic.

superman isnt invulnerable, he is nigh invulnerable, when youre invulnerable there is no physical harm. Superman has had a broken jaw, stabbed by doomsday, black eyes, nose bleed, etc... Rachel would own superman. Colossus would give superman a good fight but would lose in the end. Joseph can control the iron in superman blood, making him his toy. iceman can freeze superman blood in his body, dont matter how invulnerable you are against a power like that. Cannonball can take punches from superman (as long as he is in that bio field) and absorb the punch and send it back to superman. Thats how he almost knocked gladiator out. When gladiator told him that he was going to punch him to the sun, out of fear as soon as gladiator punch connected he absorbed it and punched him back with the same strength that gladiator used against him, if you all read the book you would have known that. Wolverine is capable of killing hawkgirl, batman, and aquaman, once he kills one of them he would go to the other and kill him or her then the other, do you get my point.

This is cannonball powers:
Powers and Abilities:
generate thermochemical energy as a blast field, which can act as propulsion, bio-kinetic blasts, a protective force shield, and a containment field around his opponent, or absorb kinetic energy to create shockwaves or supercharge the force behind his punches

do you see where it says absorb kinetic energy, which would be superman punch and he would send it right back at him. Superman has no way of hurting cannonball (this is the adult version). Cannonball can just keep absorbing superman punches and sending it right back at him. No one with superstrength has ever broke the bio field that surround cannonball, he is completely indestructible, when in flight.

if you know of a way superman could beat cannonball please let me know because i know for a fact that cannonball can absorb any punch superman brings to the table, he use that power in all of his comics. Cannonball only weakness is magic and he flies at the speed of sound.

this is another example of cannonball powers:

Powers: mutant - release thermochemical energy as an impenetrable blast field, using it as a personal shield or extending it to encompass others, focus it into rocket thrust or bio-kinetic blasts from his hands, shape the field around another person to imprison them, or absorb outside kinetic impact into his own energy supply, then rechannel it to increase the bludgeoning power of his blows or create explosive shock waves upon impact

superman cannot beat him no way possible.