NJO Luke Skywalker vs. Darth Revan

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

The Jedi are at war! From the far corners of the galaxy the ancient Sith Lord Darth Revan as arisen, and leds a full scale invation of his Sith followers to Yavin IV to destroy the Jedi Academy.

Luke Skywalker seeing this in a vision of the Force, has prepared his Jedi for the invation. Revan has arrived and landed along with his followers on the jungle moon. The Sith are now running through the jungles to raid the Jedi Academy, but Luke Skywalker unkowningly to Revan leds the Academy in a defense strike.

The two groups have collide. Luke and Revan stare at each other for a moment, and then activate their lightsabers. At the same time they jump forward clashing their lightsabers together. Now you must decide the victor....

NJO Luke will kill him.
Well...I would like to see that fight...

luke

luke

Luke, but it would be one hell of a fight.

No, it would be pretty damn easy for luke

oh please, no more of this "NJO Luke Skywalker is god" crap.

He's not god, but he is a skywalker. Luke could have killed Revan by Empire Strikes Back.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
Luke could have killed Revan by Empire Strikes Back.

Yeah. Sure. Without any knowledge of lightsaber combat. Revan would have killed ESB Luke in 30 seconds without even using his lightsaber.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
He's not god, but he is a skywalker. Luke could have killed Revan by Empire Strikes Back.

What complete and utter nonsense. Even the youngling in ROTS would whip Luke's ass. Revan would simply annihilate him with a blink of an eye.

No. You're absolutely wrong. Luke had been trained by Yoda. By the end of the fight with Darth Vader, Vader was actually struggling a little rather than just letting luke win. Vader would not have to struggle against Revan, in fact, Revan would be chopped meat before he could ignite his lightsaber. remember what palpatine says in ESB:
"He could destroy us"
This is before luke has been trained, before any of that. These are by far the two most powerful Sith in the galaxy's history, afraid, actually afraid of Luke at this point. I don't recall Revan ever actually destroying the Republic and creating an empire out of it. Yet palpatine and vader did. And they're afraid, afraid of luke. Luke in ESB could beat Revan, possibly even with ease.

Vader was toying with Luke in the whole friggin fight. Just because Luke managed to land a blow, it didn't necessarily mean Vader was struggling. When Luke did hit him, Vader lashed out on him and it took him what, like five seconds to beat him?

Palpatine and Vader are not two of the most powerful sith in the galaxy, i don't know where you get that line of thought from. Revan was constantly at war, and slaughtered countless beings. Revan annihilated all the Jedi in combat and completely pwned the old republic. Palpatine on the other hand, had to use stealth to take over the republic. He is a politician with excellent manipulating skills, that's it.

As for Palpatine's "he could destroy us." 'Could' meaning he as the potential to destroy them. Luke could destroy them once he becomes a full-fledged Jedi Master. Luke in ESB had only weeks of training and it is justs laughable how you think he could defeat a sith lord like Revan. Palpatine certainly wasn't referring to Luke iin ESB.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
No. You're absolutely wrong. Luke had been trained by Yoda. By the end of the fight with Darth Vader, Vader was actually struggling a little rather than just letting luke win. Vader would not have to struggle against Revan, in fact, Revan would be chopped meat before he could ignite his lightsaber. remember what palpatine says in ESB:
"He could destroy us"
This is before luke has been trained, before any of that. These are by far the two most powerful Sith in the galaxy's history, afraid, actually afraid of Luke at this point. I don't recall Revan ever actually destroying the Republic and creating an empire out of it. Yet palpatine and vader did. And they're afraid, afraid of luke. Luke in ESB could beat Revan, possibly even with ease.

Sorry man...that is the most crappy try to argue I have ever seen:

a)
Vader did play with Luke in ESB. Luke was not even close to win against Vader or just stand a chance against him. That is what even Yoda says to Luke before Luke travels to Bespin.

b)
Vader wants to convince Luke to join the dark side not kill him.

c)
Vader and Palpatine the most powerful Sith in the galaxy's history ? Haha.

d)
They are afraid of what Luke might become not afraid of what he is.

okay I agree with at least some of all a, b, and d. You can laugh in C, but that's simply the facts. If you prefer to fantasize about darth revan or something, go right ahead but they are quite simply by far the most powerful sith in the galaxy's history. Without question. Period. A-true Vader did play with him at first. But as I said, by the end of the duel, he is actually struggling a little. That would not happen if Vader were fighting Revan. C and D are at least partially true but they both realize, as the emperor says, that even at that exact moment "the force is strong with him" and "there is a great disturbance in the force" indicating that luke himself is upsetting the ether of the force, way beyond anything Revan ever accomplished. Luke would win in ESB. Easily. In fact it would hardly be a contest.

Where on earth did it say Palpy and Vader were the two most powerful force users?

The force is strong with luke means Luke has the potential to become a very powerful Jedi. Luke in ESB was only beginning to discover his power. Palpatine felt a disturbance because Luke was starting his training and was starting to gain knowledge of the force. He was starting to become a Jedi, that is why Palpatine sensed it. Think about it, how come Palpatine didn't sense anything in ANH? Because Luke was only an ordinary farm boy, nothing more.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
You can laugh in C, but that's simply the facts. If you prefer to fantasize about darth revan or something, go right ahead but they are quite simply by far the most powerful sith in the galaxy's history. Without question.

Palpatine could do some force lightning, Vader could do some force grip. Watch the movies.

Palpatine admits that he is not as powerful as his own master Darth Plageis (so he had to murder him while he was sleeping). And Sith like Exar Kun and Naga Sadow are lightyears ahead of Palpatine and Vader.

No. Exar Kun and Naga Sadow are powerful and I love them-they're really cool characters. But in terms of sheer power of the force, none can rival Lord Vader and his master. Palpatine's death was part of a prophecy as old as the Jedi order itself. In fact both the Jedi order and the Sith order are centered around the prohecy of the chosen one. For the Sith the prophecy was a little different, but Episodes 1, 2 and 3 make it very, very clear that anakin is the most powerful in the force ever. Except possibly his children. Yes Darth Plagueis learned a special ability, that does not make him the more powerful-remember Darth Bane had a special ability too, as does Qui Gon. by the end of empire strikes back, luke is no longer a farm boy. He is on the road to becoming a Jedi. You forget, Mace, that Anakin slaughtered not only countless beings, but EVERY SINGLE JEDI, save for a small number. That's way beyond Darth Revan. or anyone else in the star wars universe for that matter. Except possibly Luke. I would say that Palpatine was a little bit more than a crafty politician. Deceiving the entire Jedi order, including Master Yoda, who was quite arguably the greatest Jedi ever, is no simple task. And Revan didn't quite become Emperor of the galaxy either. It doesn't matter how you do it, but whether you do it. Revan's whole thing was that he was a brilliant military strategist. So was General Grievous. You saw what Obi-Wan did to him (though I believe Revan could kill Grievous fairly easily as well). But ESB Luke caused the entire Force itself to tremble. This is way beyond petty little Revan.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
No. Exar Kun and Naga Sadow are powerful and I love them-they're really cool characters. But in terms of sheer power of the force, none can rival Lord Vader and his master. Palpatine's death was part of a prophecy as old as the Jedi order itself. In fact both the Jedi order and the Sith order are centered around the prohecy of the chosen one. For the Sith the prophecy was a little different, but Episodes 1, 2 and 3 make it very, very clear that anakin is the most powerful in the force ever. Except possibly his children. Yes Darth Plagueis learned a special ability, that does not make him the more powerful-remember Darth Bane had a special ability too, as does Qui Gon. by the end of empire strikes back, luke is no longer a farm boy. He is on the road to becoming a Jedi. You forget, Mace, that Anakin slaughtered not only countless beings, but EVERY SINGLE JEDI, save for a small number. That's way beyond Darth Revan. or anyone else in the star wars universe for that matter. Except possibly Luke. I would say that Palpatine was a little bit more than a crafty politician. Deceiving the entire Jedi order, including Master Yoda, who was quite arguably the greatest Jedi ever, is no simple task. And Revan didn't quite become Emperor of the galaxy either. It doesn't matter how you do it, but whether you do it. Revan's whole thing was that he was a brilliant military strategist. So was General Grievous. You saw what Obi-Wan did to him (though I believe Revan could kill Grievous fairly easily as well). But ESB Luke caused the entire Force itself to tremble. This is way beyond petty little Revan.

What the hell ?
How often I do have to tell you. Vader ist NOT as powerful as RotS Anakin. He simply is not.
Exar Kun drained the life-force of an entire race.
Naga Sadow could play tennis with planets.

If Palpatine and Vader would have been the greatest Sith in history there would have been no need for them to construct two Death Stars. They just could have destroyed planets with their force powers. They could not. Naga Sadow could, Exar Kun could, Darth Nihilus could. Palpatine and Vader are LIGHTYEARS away from being the greatest Sith ever.

Darth Revan easily

Their power was prophesized at the beginning of both the Sith and Jedi orders themselves. I don't care what your opinion is. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. Anakin was the power of the force. His duels, though they may not look like much, were of supreme galactic consequence, far beyond anything Naga Sadow or Exar Kun could do. Unfortunately, sapping the life force of an entire race is nothing compared to Vader. It took him more time, but he hunted down and killed the Jedi. Single handedly. that's a lot more powerful than sapping the life force of a few massassi warriors. Kun did that because the Jedi were about to assault Yavin 4. He did that because he was afraid of the Jedi. Vader was not afraid of the Jedi. The Jedi were afraid of him. That's why they scattered and hid. C'mon guys this isn't that hard. This is pretty elementary Star Wars stuff. Take the Death Star, which you mentioned. That wasn't Vader and the Emperor's toy, it was Tarkin's. And that's how they viewed it. A toy. a mere tool. And seeing as how we're talking about Luke, luke destroyed it with ease. Ok, that was before ESB, so if you want to get into specifics, by your logic Luke had the power of Naga Sadow by ANH. Now I don't agree with that, but I don't agree with your logic either. Again, this is all baby stuff. I knew all this stuff when I was a very little kid. Naga Sadow and Kun are awesome, but again, they're nothing compared to Vader and the Emperor. And Luke scared them. And Revan is nothing also-maybe he's something compared to Exar Kun, i don't know, but nothing compared to Naga Sadow. and the Emperor and Vader are way beyond that. Lucas called the Luke/Vader duel in ESB only "a slightly one-sided duel in which Vader had the advantage." Vader hunted down and killed EVERY SINGLE JEDI to reiterate, and that means he's way beyond any other Sith Lord ever, save perhaps his master. And Luke was only slightly outmatched. That means he could destroy Revan with ease, not in ANH, but by ESB.