Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Revan Darkstar is referring to the special edition book in which Luke reflects it for a moment or so before falling down. We are in the EU section here.
EU however does is not more important then movies... Seeing as the movies contradict it, the statement of Luke reflecting the lightning is just falls.. Sorry can't help it, it just is.
Doesn't really mean much then ROTJ Luke wouldn't be able to even come close to any of the Ancient Sith Lords. NJO Luke can possibly defeat them all or he would stand a pretty good chance against them.
Originally posted by Fishy
Doesn't really mean much then ROTJ Luke wouldn't be able to even come close to any of the Ancient Sith Lords. NJO Luke can possibly defeat them all or he would stand a pretty good chance against them.
I agree. Just wanted to say that (I think NJO Luke is a very controversial character for some peope).
No movie version of Luke could beat Revan ...Eu version when hes at his peak there arent many that could withstand Luke....They would need to combine somehow from many many departed Sith spirits power into one being (revan in this thread)to stand a chance....That goes for Revan or any ancient sith as far as Im concerned...Noone in EU ever reached Lukes level.....sucky as that may be for Luke haters appears to be truth...I could care less for Luke ..hes cool and all but not my fav character I dont think...to many others I would like to see with his level powers
Originally posted by Revan Darkstar
well I agree with Luke winning, however I will post some facts about my reason:1) Like stated above, Luke was able to charge through the entire Yuuzhan Vong HQ, basically on his own (yes Jacen and Jaina were with him, but it says in TUF that they did almost no work). Since this is the place where the YV leader is, there would be thousands of Vong, maybe even 10 000 or more, yet Luke wasted them all.
2) After doing that, he faced off against 7 or 8 slayers, can't remember which, either way it is impressive, Kyp who is supposedly very powerful could not even take one and he landed dozens of hits. Yet Luke was able to kill them with one hit, that means he is either exceptionally strong, or he was powering his weapon with the force.
3) Then he defeated the Supreme Overlord, who on his own would be a match for many jedi.
4) In the final YV battle, Luke used an unknown power, to instantly kill a slayer. It is described as being like green sparks (so maybe force lightning). Jaina also describes him as being like the centre of the force. The force flowing through him, he was like a malestrom of force energy, unstoppable. Jaina also described him as being calm and focused, and his blade with like 10 or 20, all moving at the same time, with one purpose.
5) Luke was also able to manipulate black holes and gravity.
6) Luke was also able to knock down AT-AT's like they were nothing, he could also destroy entire armies with the force.
7) In the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke removed an entire planet from view using the force, he said it should last indefinently. He was also able to make himself invisible and unable to be sensed through the force. Also in the Black Fleet Crisis Luke rebuilt Vader's old fortress, he also made it invisible. He did all this with out being sensed through the force, and this is on Courscant.
8) Luke also trained underneath the clone emperor, so he would know about the sith as well as the jedi. Luke also defeated the Emperor's force storm, which was massive and able to destroy ships.
9) After defeating the clone emperor, Luke discovered an ancient jedi library, with long forgotten knowledge. Luke also didn't restrict his knowledge to just the jeid, he hunted all over the galaxy, searching for knowledge and power from everyone he met. Luke also learned under the emperor and used the emperors library (which contains sith knowledge from over 1000 years). Yes I know Revan did this as well, but I am pointing it out because it greatly reduces Revan's advantage
10) Finally, Luke deflected the emperors lightning for a bit in RotJ, this was the first time he had ever seen this power so the fact that he could deflect it for a bit when it was the first time he had ever seen it is very impressive. Even more so when you consider that Yoda even had some trouble deflecting it in RotS. This is to point out that Luke could deflect anything that Revan would throw at him.
And yes people could use force lightning on more than one person, Jacen does it against the Vong in Destiny's Way.
Also, Revan's ability to predicte the future is not perfect, if it was he would have known Malak was going to betray him.
Over-all, Luke wins.
We simply do not know enough about Revan and his powers, other than the fact that he was smart, to say that he would win. One final point, being smart does not translate to strength in battle. I have a 98% average, but I would loose in a fight to probably 70% of the guys in my grade.
These reasons given by Revan DarkStar give all the reasons we need to prove NJO Luke Skywalker would be the victor...
Originally posted by Revan Darkstar
well I agree with Luke winning, however I will post some facts about my reason:1) Like stated above, Luke was able to charge through the entire Yuuzhan Vong HQ, basically on his own (yes Jacen and Jaina were with him, but it says in TUF that they did almost no work). Since this is the place where the YV leader is, there would be thousands of Vong, maybe even 10 000 or more, yet Luke wasted them all.
2) After doing that, he faced off against 7 or 8 slayers, can't remember which, either way it is impressive, Kyp who is supposedly very powerful could not even take one and he landed dozens of hits. Yet Luke was able to kill them with one hit, that means he is either exceptionally strong, or he was powering his weapon with the force.
3) Then he defeated the Supreme Overlord, who on his own would be a match for many jedi.
4) In the final YV battle, Luke used an unknown power, to instantly kill a slayer. It is described as being like green sparks (so maybe force lightning). Jaina also describes him as being like the centre of the force. The force flowing through him, he was like a malestrom of force energy, unstoppable. Jaina also described him as being calm and focused, and his blade with like 10 or 20, all moving at the same time, with one purpose.
5) Luke was also able to manipulate black holes and gravity.
6) Luke was also able to knock down AT-AT's like they were nothing, he could also destroy entire armies with the force.
7) In the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke removed an entire planet from view using the force, he said it should last indefinently. He was also able to make himself invisible and unable to be sensed through the force. Also in the Black Fleet Crisis Luke rebuilt Vader's old fortress, he also made it invisible. He did all this with out being sensed through the force, and this is on Courscant.
8) Luke also trained underneath the clone emperor, so he would know about the sith as well as the jedi. Luke also defeated the Emperor's force storm, which was massive and able to destroy ships.
9) After defeating the clone emperor, Luke discovered an ancient jedi library, with long forgotten knowledge. Luke also didn't restrict his knowledge to just the jeid, he hunted all over the galaxy, searching for knowledge and power from everyone he met. Luke also learned under the emperor and used the emperors library (which contains sith knowledge from over 1000 years). Yes I know Revan did this as well, but I am pointing it out because it greatly reduces Revan's advantage
10) Finally, Luke deflected the emperors lightning for a bit in RotJ, this was the first time he had ever seen this power so the fact that he could deflect it for a bit when it was the first time he had ever seen it is very impressive. Even more so when you consider that Yoda even had some trouble deflecting it in RotS. This is to point out that Luke could deflect anything that Revan would throw at him.
And yes people could use force lightning on more than one person, Jacen does it against the Vong in Destiny's Way.
Also, Revan's ability to predicte the future is not perfect, if it was he would have known Malak was going to betray him.
Over-all, Luke wins.
We simply do not know enough about Revan and his powers, other than the fact that he was smart, to say that he would win. One final point, being smart does not translate to strength in battle. I have a 98% average, but I would loose in a fight to probably 70% of the guys in my grade.
He killed Vong. Yay. And Revan did no that Malak was going to betray, just not when. And about the library thing and all the knowledge Luke got, that isn't anything compared to Revan. Revan had the greatest lightsaber dueler ever, Tulak Hord, holocron. Luke could've of gotten any of this stuff because it was either destroyed by Malak, by the Jedi, or by Sidious.
Luke's force powers are great and all, but the only way to settle this is through a lightsaber duel. From what Revan would know from all the things he had available to him, he would be the much smarter one. He would have known Ancient Sith techniques and Jedi techniques that Luke couldn't have dreamed about. Revan, being the smart bastard he is, woul taught Luke into something stupid. And with the Skywalkers, it's not that hard.
Sorry darkstar I posted while you did and didn't really see what you wrote my bad and to plagues the person who gave all those reasons still thinks revan would win he's just saying it wouldn't be a complete ass kicking like revan vs. almost anybody else (notice the almost) all i can say is...All hail lord Revan...All hail lord revan...All hail lord Revan (infinite fleet of sith warships bomb plagues home then Revan sends HK-47 after him.)
Darth Revan is powerful...I like him, but compared to NJO Luke Skywalker he would die. Because in the final Yavin battle, Luke used an unknown power, to instantly kill a slayer. If Luke used that power agianst Revan, in which Revan has no knowledge of, Luke would win. Another reason is, while dueling Luke Skywalker was so calm and focused in the Force, his niece Jaina explained it that he look as if he had 10 or 20 lightsabers in hand. Also he could used the Force to turn a planet into an unseen body, he attacked a Yuuzhan Vong outpost, which had thousands of the warriors and the Surpreme Overlord inside and Luke wasted them all. By himself! And Luke can manipulate black holes and gravity...Luke could win this one no problem...
Unknown power to Luke...
Who says it was unknown to Revan? Or to Ragnos? Sadow? Kun? Bane? Ulic Qel Droma? Malak? A lot of knowledge was lost during time...
revan attacked the Star Forge alone, cut himself threw hundreds of Dark Jedi who were all stronger because of the Dark Side and then killed an incredibly powerful Sith Lord about 8 or 9 times in a row...
Revan also has the power to instantly kill, and how do we know that power isn't specific to slayers, for the black holes and hiding planets revan knew pretty much everything there was to know about the force, truth be told he didn't need to do that stuff so he didn't and anihalting a star forge's worth of sith and battle droids as well as the defenses of the star forge itself then killing the most powerful sith lord in the galaxy by himself equals destroying a vong outpost, Revans superior saber skill and knowledge of all force powers ( as previously stated he didn't use some of them because there was no point, I mean he could control a sun through the force he could control the otherthings he just had no reason too, also being able to control blackholes and all that wouldn't help much in a duel.)