Black Bolt vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not the biggest WW fan, but BB's scream could easily be redirected back at him or just thrown away. Either way, she still has the highly viable speedblitz option so he's smoked.

To bad he has a Force Field and how do you deflect an attack that travels as regular sound.

His attack is not a sonic shock wave that backs purely a physical punch, and his attack has such a wide range, that it is physical impossible for someone that small to block it all and redirect it (For arguments sake).

He manipulates electrons. His quantum scream wouldn't really do much to himself.

Why is Fan Girl pmsing over a sig?

True some people "could" be insulted but in actuality there is nothing insulting in the sig.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Didn't you say that BB's voice wasn't force? Either way It's not getting thru her shield. Plus she's strong enough to turn his attack against him. Now you are talking about his TP powers. Fail. Unless you can show him using said powers against someone of her lvl resist and with those eyes of a Goddess backing her already high resist. And her force field is completely unbreakable. Stop that shit right now that it's not. or i'll report you for trolling. Trolling is when you are saying something untrue and you know it is.

She isn't planetary destruction etc. strong so she isn't deflecting it back lol.

It's also physical impossible for her to deflect his attack.

Where do you come up with this crap?

It's not a sonic shock wave traveling in a narrow line that is pure physical force.

Let me do it this way.

Place giant sound systems, across an entire wall (Every inch) and place Wonder Woman directly opposite to them.

Turn on the volume to maximum and let them roar.

How is Wonder Woman going to physically block and deflect the sound coming from them?

Black Bolt's scream travels like that to an extent, but it's strong enough that it also packs a giant physical punch.

About the telepathic abilities.

He has overpowered Maximus on more than one occasion before.

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Maximus telepathic abilities > Wonder Woman's telepathic resistance

How am I trolling?

You cannot prove it's completely unbreakable.

That's impossible. No Force Field in comics is completely unbreakable, unless it comics from the "God" of each comic universe. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

Do you not use common sense when you debate?

Besides, show me the greatest attack she has ever deflected. Unless it's above planetary destruction or something a bit lower etc., you can't prove it will even hold out against Black Bolt for even a time.

Originally posted by fangirl101
She's blocked The greek pantheon's combined might and you think that's not planetary? GTFO. Please. He can throw up a field around her and get pwned like quasar did. He's no quasar. Stop. you fail at that example. Lulz you said he would transmute her. LMAO. She can't be transmuted. Circe can't do it. The queen of fables can't. And you think BB can. WTF. Please stop your self. Now. You haven't read one damned WW book. Stop lying.

She blocked the entire Greek Pantheon attack? Including Ares at the same time?

I would love to see this, because I can't take you for your word anymore. You speculate a lot, and don't offer any context, which could change the entire meaning of that encounter. What issue was this in and I'll go check it out for myself.

Did I not say it wouldn't be that easy to beat Diana? I clearly said that did I not, so how can you assume that I believe simply transmuting her will kill her.

Oh, the Queen of Fables never tried to transmute her in their original encounter. Ever.

Circe, is powerful, true but again you go against context. You do not give the entire truth.

Circe can only transmute men. Did you forget that?

Diana isn't immune to molecular transmutation. It will have an effect on her, how greatly means how much power Black Bolt exerts.

Quasar? How did Quasar come into this conversation? When Quasar and Diana even meet?

Black Bolt's power is completely different. Either way, he can control electrons to the point of making indestructible shields (So far.)

Creating one inside her skull, and expanding it, would really hurt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
To bad he has a Force Field and how do you deflect an attack that travels as regular sound.

His attack is not a sonic shock wave that backs purely a physical punch, and his attack has such a wide range, that it is physical impossible for someone that small to block it all and redirect it (For arguments sake).

He manipulates electrons. His quantum scream wouldn't really do much to himself.

Her trinkets block her entire body, and her braclets actually absorb the energy coming toward her so even if the blast was directed at all directions it would just end up gravitating to her wrist. Besides we still can't overlook the massive speed advantage she has, she can keep pace with Wally which is far beyond the speed of soune by a large degree. She would blitz at all directions surrounding him with repeated blows to his forcefield before he would even let out a sound, and there is no way he would eve rbe able to trace her....she literally moves circles around him.

Her trinkets from my understanding can absorb all matter of energy...in fact I believe she did deflect sonic vibrations or something to that effect but nvr would be the best authority on it. She did actually deflect the combined might of the "Greek Pantheon"and even DS's OE, so yeah it's pretty much indestructable. Oh and hasn't Apoc took the full blast of his scream before without so much of a scratch?

Originally posted by Mrblonde
I dont think there were any in Europe yet.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maximus telepathic abilities > Wonder Woman's telepathic resistance

Wonder Woman for the win

This thread has some good points...but it saddens me to see a hitler avatar..and a sig that states..Jesus=Hitler.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Her trinkets block her entire body, and her braclets actually absorb the energy coming toward her so even if the blast was directed at all directions it would just end up gravitating to her wrist. Besides we still can't overlook the massive speed advantage she has, she can keep pace with Wally which is far beyond the speed of soune by a large degree. She would blitz at all directions surrounding him with repeated blows to his forcefield before he would even let out a sound, and there is no way he would eve rbe able to trace her....she literally moves circles around him.

Gravitating towards her wrists?

Is that wishful thinking, on your part or has she actually done this to attacks with great power?

That much concentrated power in one spot, especially Black Bolt's scream, makes it hard to believe her own physical body can survive the pressure even with the Force Field.

She actually had to struggle with everything she had (From what I saw) to deflect, a blast that destroyed a mountain alone. That scan was posted by fangirl herself.

It seems even with her bracelets crossed, she still feels the pressure of the attacks. Hence, why I find it hard to believe, that even with her bracelets crossed, she wouldn't get knocked out by the pressure from his power.

Repeated blows to his Force Field will accomplish what? He gets his powers and creates his Force Fields' from electron manipulation, and there is no limit to them to an extent.

He has shown sufficient speed to make it plausible if one said he can see her coming to an "extent". That's only at his base. He can augment his strength and all of his physical stats, greatly, so again it wouldn't be improbable or silly if someone said that he could even keep up with her to a degree.

Besides, with his telepathic abilities, he would now where, she is going before she even reaches the spot.

Originally posted by iceman24567
How can you even prove this?

Not directly of course.

The two have never meet but I base this on the fact, that Maximus has controlled the entire city of Attilan to a point before, without any visible stress, and that Diana has been affected by telepathy in different ways, in the past.

Diana is highly resistant, but I have never seen any evidence to say she is completely immune.

If she is and it's been shown on panel, then I retract my statement but it has not to my knowledge.

Rage.Of.Olympus I don't think you're getting how the Aegis effect works. We are not talking about her using the bracers themselves to deflect the attack. Once crossed, they create a shield that will reflect any wave, energy type of attack, no matter the source, direction, or width.

The scans you asked for. Ares wasn't present, but the other gods, including Zeus were.

What I was discussing with Galan is her physically deflecting the attack, not her using her Force Field to protect her from the intitial blast.

Thank you for the scans. I read that issue a long time ago (Just don't remember the issue number. Fangirl never gave it to me so I could read it myself again lol).

What I am debating is what happened in the scan above. Her physically deflecting the blast, and redirecting it with only the bracelets themselves, and nothing else.

You said, that her Force Field can redirect any blast no matter the source etc. is making it sound like its impervious to anything. It should be from attacks to an extent but not from high end beings etc. Just saying.

Also is this simply speculation and wishful thinking on your part or has this been stated on panel?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Gravitating towards her wrists?

Is that wishful thinking, on your part or has she actually done this to attacks with great power?

That much concentrated power in one spot, especially Black Bolt's scream, makes it hard to believe her own physical body can survive the pressure even with the Force Field.

She actually had to struggle with everything she had (From what I saw) to deflect, a blast that destroyed a mountain alone. That scan was posted by fangirl herself.

It seems even with her bracelets crossed, she still feels the pressure of the attacks. Hence, why I find it hard to believe, that even with her bracelets crossed, she wouldn't get knocked out by the pressure from his power.

Repeated blows to his Force Field will accomplish what? He gets his powers and creates his Force Fields' from electron manipulation, and there is no limit to them to an extent.

He has shown sufficient speed to make it plausible if one said he can see her coming to an "extent". That's only at his base. He can augment his strength and all of his physical stats, greatly, so again it wouldn't be improbable or silly if someone said that he could even keep up with her to a degree.

Besides, with his telepathic abilities, he would now where, she is going before she even reaches the spot.

Isn't that heavy speculation though, we already she has speedster level movement in combat so why assume BB could keep if he's never displayed that type of speed before. I'm not doubting that he isn't fast, but Diana is one of the characters who portrays what we would consider"DC style"or"DBZ"style speed in combat.

Originally posted by dawsey28
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What I was discussing with Galan is her physically deflecting the attack, not her using her Force Field to protect her from the intitial blast.

Thank you for the scans. I read that issue a long time ago (Just don't remember the issue number. Fangirl never gave it to me so I could read it myself again lol).

What I am debating is what happened in the scan above. Her physically deflecting the blast, and redirecting it with only the bracelets themselves, and nothing else.

You said, that her Force Field can redirect any blast no matter the source etc. is making it sound like its impervious to anything. It should be from attacks to an extent but not from high end beings etc. Just saying.

Also is this simply speculation and wishful thinking on your part or has this been stated on panel?

It's in her bios for the most part, so regardless his scream isn't doing anything unless she wants it to. Besides unlike the above scan, I'm doubting she will be standing under him just waiting for him to unload his best shot at her.....they can save that stuff for after the fight when they make up 🙂

I think Dawsey just provided all the panel info you need.

And yes the bracelets would deflect blast from high level beings, as the pantheon scan showed you. The aegis effect itself would deflect the attack. She would not need to make physical contact with the bracelets.

Wonder Woman's bracelets and lasso are extremely powerful weapons.

As for the Aegis effect, it does not block everything. It is effective only against broad energy and wave attacks (not sure about magic). Physical attacks and focused energy attacks would need to be blocked by the bracelets themselves, i.e. the attack would have to make contact with the bracelets themselves.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Isn't that heavy speculation though, we already she has speedster level movement in combat so why assume BB could keep if he's never displayed that type of speed before. I'm not doubting that he isn't fast, but Diana is one of the characters who portrays what we would consider"DC style"or"DBZ"style speed in combat.

Not heavy speculation. He has shown that he super speed, to the point where he can hit a speeding Nova etc. but he has also shown that he can augment his physical stats.

Of course Diana has superior combat speed, that isn't in doubt, I'm just saying that one should not completely dismiss the possibility that if pushed, Black Bolt can augment himself enough to keep up with her.

Either way, with his Force Field etc. speed blitzing isn't Diana's greatest choice of attack.

Before, War of Kings, Secret Invasion, I would given Black Bolt the win, but not the point where he doesn't hold back and is completely ruthless.

Now I give it to him in a curb stomp. As seen, in his new attitude, he does not hold back, and him opening up a miniature black hole, or expanding a Force Field in her head is as valid of an option, if he was super villain who hated Diana to the core.

Not that Diana is a pushover (She could win), but he is more inclined to use lethal force than he ever was in the past. He is more cold than Diana now to an extent. She did kill Max, but she doesn't kill every opponent she meets. She still has the super hero, morale's (To a much lesser extent of course), unlike Black Bolt who has simply had enough, from what I can gather (Simply my opinion of course).

I mean, if you look at it from a neutral point of view (That's nearly impossible but I'm trying my best lol), in my opinion, he would me more likely to unleashing his voice from the start, than she would be to speed blitzing him (With his durability of course it would never be that easy).

bump.

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