Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You may be right. Achieving lightspeed would take time, but if he can go from standing still to swatting bullets, his acceleration must be pretty high.How exactly does stealing speed work?
Yeah, and I still don't know if he can go at light speed without entering the speedforce, and what it means if he does enter it or what. Jrodslam, do you know what happens when Wally hits lightspeed?
Originally posted by nigel45
Yeah, and I still don't know if he can go at light speed without entering the speedforce, and what it means if he does enter it or what. Jrodslam, do you know what happens when Wally hits lightspeed?
Wally can go lightspeed at anytime, BUUUT, he risks time travel everytime he does it. Hes trying to get better at it though. I love that guy.
Thats why he doesnt do it often. Hardly ever. Thats when he fully taps the speedforce. But he doesnt wanna risk it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Flash cant even deliver 20 imp's in a row. Hell, he couldnt even do 5 in a row. He needs build-up to do and IMP.How many IMP's did he hit Zum with? Was it 1 or many. My guess is 1.
You say that Flash has stated that he can hit someone with a thousand IMP's before they could blink an eye? I think you read wrong. I think he said that he could just hit someone a thousand times before they can blink an eye. Regular punches and IMP's are different. And he needs time to execute an IMP.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Oh god, why you are so boring?
1.Flash performed the IMP in seconds if not nanoseconds
2.He reached Zum exiting from the SF Dimension, and Zum was appearing to him like standing still
3.He stated he can hit him thousand times before HE and HE means ZUM can blink an eye.
4.If he stated that he can hit him with the energy achieved through the IMP manouver thousand times it means he can, he knows how fast he is.
Me boring? Doubt it. Dont blame me for posting the truth. Flash is my favorite DC character, but facts are facts. He CANT do an IMP in a second, nanasecond, milisecond. He needs at least 5 seconds to do so.
2. Ofcourse when he hits someone with an IMP, they seem to be standing still. But he HAS to build up the speed in order to do so.
3. Yes Flash can hit someone a thousand times before he can blink an eye. He wasnt referring to hitting him with a thousand IMP's. He was talking about REGULAR punches. Regular punches and IMP's are very different.
4. Can you post the scan of him saying that he could hit Zum with a thousand IMP's? If not at least the issue #, and his exact quote from the comic.
5. In Flash #211, he needed 7 seconds just to do it to Grodd. Him and Kightwing were fighting Grodd together in the Flash museum, and while they were fighting, he said to Nightwing.........
Flash - "Can you stay alive for another SEVEN seconds?"
Nightwing - "Maybe even eight."
Then Flash says to himself......"Time to build up some momentum."
He CANT do an IMP in nanoseconds. I think you misinterpeted what he said. Can he hit someone a thousand times before they can blink? Yes. Can he hit someone a thousand times with a IMP before they can blink? NO.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Me boring? Doubt it. Dont blame me for posting the truth. Flash is my favorite DC character, but facts are facts. He CANT do an IMP in a second, nanasecond, milisecond. He needs at least 5 seconds to do so.2. Ofcourse when he hits someone with an IMP, they seem to be standing still. But he HAS to build up the speed in order to do so.
3. Yes Flash can hit someone a thousand times before he can blink an eye. He wasnt referring to hitting him with a thousand IMP's. He was talking about REGULAR punches. Regular punches and IMP's are very different.
4. Can you post the scan of him saying that he could hit Zum with a thousand IMP's? If not at least the issue #, and his exact quote from the comic.
5. In Flash #211, he needed 7 seconds just to do it to Grodd. Him and Kightwing were fighting Grodd together in the Flash museum, and while they were fighting, he said to Nightwing.........
Flash - "Can you stay alive for another SEVEN seconds?"
Nightwing - "Maybe even eight."Then Flash says to himself......"Time to build up some momentum."
He CANT do an IMP in nanoseconds. I think you misinterpeted what he said. Can he hit someone a thousand times before they can blink? Yes. Can he hit someone a thousand times with a IMP before they can blink? NO.
I agree with Jrodslam. Flash had to run around the earth several times to gain enough inertial mass the first time he performed that punch. All it takes is one punch from Superman to put him down. Superman can definitely land one punch. Flash can't just run up to Superman and hit him with an inertial mass punch.
I'm still really torn on this one. Hypothetically, an IMP (or at least a few HVP's) have the potential to knock Superman out, if only for a brief time. And even that might be a stretch. And of course, if Superman could get a decent punch in that Flash can't dodge, Wally's head would no longer be attached to his body.
Decisions.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I agree with Jrodslam. Flash had to run around the earth several times to gain enough inertial mass the first time he performed that punch. All it takes is one punch from Superman to put him down. Superman can definitely land one punch. Flash can't just run up to Superman and hit him with an inertial mass punch.
Originally posted by K3VIL
What part of FLASH ENTERS IN THE SPEED FORCE DIMENSION TO PERFORM THE IMP isn't clear to you?
He entered in the SF, and exited from here with the power of the IMP and hitted Zum.He didn't run across Earth, the IMP don't work in this way.It's so hard to understand?
Flash has to go at light speed to enter the Speed Force. That in itself takes time.
He did run around the Earth several times before he hit Zum. Flash has to accumilate inertial mass to perform the punch.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Flash has to go at light speed to enter the Speed Force. That in itself takes time.He did run around the Earth several times before he hit Zum. Flash has to accumilate inertial mass to perform the punch.
Originally posted by K3VILI agree with you man, he just needs to enter the SF dimension to get the momentum he needs, hence the running at light speed to enter the SFD.
The Speed Force is ANOTHER dimension, a different plane of existence, it's not the Earth.Flash didn't run around the Earth, why you can't understand DIDN'T?
He entered in the SFD when he achieved lightspeed, then exited from there an hitted Zum, a sort of teleportation.Like Nightcrawler exit from another dimension, Flash comes out from the SF Dimension to drain energy from SF and then hit you with the IMP
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
what the hell is an "infinite mass punch"? The Flash would collapse into a black hole. I think they mean "infinite force punch"....
It's a high inertial mass punch, giving Flash a lot of force. The Infinity mass punch is not the real name. It is impossible for Flash to attain infinite mass, because there is a finite amount of mass in the universe. If Flash really had infinite mass, the universe itself would collapse upon him instantly.
Originally posted by K3VIL
The Speed Force is ANOTHER dimension, a different plane of existence, it's not the Earth.Flash didn't run around the Earth, why you can't understand DIDN'T?
He entered in the SFD when he achieved lightspeed, then exited from there an hitted Zum, a sort of teleportation.Like Nightcrawler exit from another dimension, Flash comes out from the SF Dimension to drain energy from SF and then hit you with the IMP
Wrong. Flash has to attain lightspeed to enter the Speed Force. That requires time and space. He can't do a dimensional warp at will. Nightcrawler can.
Do you have the comic in which he punches Zum, the White Martian? He runs around the earth several times, then punches him into orbit.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It's a high inertial mass punch, giving Flash a lot of force. The Infinity mass punch is not the real name. It is impossible for Flash to attain infinite mass, because there is a finite amount of mass in the universe. If Flash really had infinite mass, the universe itself would collapse upon him instantly.Wrong. Flash has to attain lightspeed to enter the Speed Force. That requires time and space. He can't do a dimensional warp at will. Nightcrawler can.
Do you have the comic in which he punches Zum, the White Martian? He runs around the earth several times, then punches him into orbit.
What issue # is that? Can you post a scan?
So what youre saying is that Zum was already running, and Flash had to catch up with him? Thats what you mean by surpass?
So that would mean that Flash is already running, thus already building the momentum at the same time while chasing Zum.
Thats totaly different than standing still then going to perform an IMP at a still target. Ofcourse its gonna seem like a nanosecond while hes already running, but how lond did that take from the time he was standing still? Doubt that was a nanosecond.