Wolverine vs The Thing

Originally posted by KharmaDog
How does that not count for anything? Past performances and confrontations between two fighters that we are pitting against eachother don't matter? PLease explain this as I am a bit confused on that point.

you're confused by your own twisted logic? hmm that's interesting.. okay here.. you said this...

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I don't care how fast and agile you think Logan is,

which neglects feats where logan has proven he could bound around faster opponents and threats than ben virually unharmed.. this statement neglects past events as if they don't matter...

Originally posted by KharmaDog
he is so HUGELY outclassed in strength here that he loses. Everytime.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I understand that a legion of wolvie fans will attack me, but just try and use logic.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm not saying that he doesn't. I am saying that he can't hit Wolverine with his punches because of Logan's speed.

Not unless he improvises.

Ben would probobly let Wolverine hit him once and then grab him and take him out.

That would end the fight

Originally posted by KharmaDog
How does that not count for anything? Past performances and confrontations between two fighters that we are pitting against eachother don't matter? PLease explain this as I am a bit confused on that point.

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah but then again this isn't 616 which is what we're dicsussing...

Wha? Yes it is

Originally posted by Grimm22
Not unless he improvises.

Ben would probobly let Wolverine hit him once and then grab him and take him out.

That would end the fight

Originally posted by jinzin
it doesn't matter at this point.. you're trying to bring logic in this conversation but you're being subjective about how you're using it... the blades have been stated to be indiestructable, the strongest substance in the universe and capible of cutting through anything save admantium... thing isn't adamantium thus his arm comes off....
.

Its been said that with enough FORCE behind the blow it can cut through. It doesn't just cut through becuase its adamantium by itself though.

Originally posted by capt it up
logans two fast and one hit from logan coul dput thing down for the count

❌

wow do you really think that Thing would be down in one hit from Wolverine?

seriously thats really naive

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wha? Yes it is

you misunderstood...

he's talking about the real world and is talking about how things work in the real world.. I'm saying the real world isn't 616 so it really holds no relevance over 616.. that's all.

Originally posted by jinzin
you misunderstood...

he's talking about the real world and is talking about how things work in the real world.. I'm saying the real world isn't 616 so it really holds no relevance over 616.. that's all.

Oh I see 😄

Originally posted by Grimm22
❌

wow do you really think that Thing would be down in one hit from Wolverine?

seriously thats really naive

also do u forget u just said thing would let logan hit him if thats the case thing would be put down fromt hat one attack.

Originally posted by Soleran
Its been said that with enough FORCE behind the blow it can cut through. It doesn't just cut through becuase its adamantium by itself though.

that's only been stated by wolverine, not by descriptions about the admantium blades...

so if we're using past feats in this debate again.. well.....

this is all i'm saying you can't have it both ways, we're either discussing comic books here (which is what I came here to do), or we're talking logic.. which is subjective on the principles of what we're discussing...

Originally posted by Soleran
Its been said that with enough FORCE behind the blow it can cut through. It doesn't just cut through becuase its adamantium by itself though.

Originally posted by capt it up
? realy nieve do u say? sicne logans done it before how niave could it possably be?

also do u forget u just said thing would let logan hit him if thats the case thing would be put down fromt hat one attack.

Oh please stop bringing up that PIS fight in Enemy of the State.

Seriously when Wolverine scratched Ben's face, Ben didnt just keel over.

Heck no he slapped Wolverine through 20 buildings.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh please stop bringing up that PIS fight in Enemy of the State.

Seriously when Wolverine scratched Ben's face, Ben didnt just keel over.

Heck no he slapped Wolverine through 20 buildings.

and wolverine got up and came right back.. ben meanwhile was holding his face hunched over in pain.....

Originally posted by jinzin
which neglects feats where logan has proven he could bound around faster opponents and threats than ben virually unharmed.. this statement neglects past events as if they don't matter...

But Thing has done damage to Wolvie. On page 2 Wynndar has pointed out in FF#374 where Thing knocked out Logan. Also on page 2 of this debate grey fox shows how a thunderclap from grey hulk negated wolvie’s speed and agility by stunning him. Why could’nt/would’nt ben do the same?

Originally posted by jinzin
this statement neglects that superstrength has never really been that big an isue for logan to overcome.. he's been hit by handfuls of characters as strong or stronger than thing and he keeps on fighting.. this statement neglects wolverine's feats concerning damage soak.

And he has been knocked out by the likes of Captain america and Sasquatch.

Originally posted by jinzin
which basically forces us to neglect comics entirely...

Excellent point.

Originally posted by capt it up
becuase u ignor the fact that logan has taken hits from think and not been Ko. u ignor the facts that logan has put thing down before with a single stabb. u ignor the fact that logan has been hit by stronger people then thing and has gotten right back up. u ignor the fact logan has time and timr again foughten character as strong or stronger then thing.

But it seems that others are ignoring the fact that thing has gotten past wolvie's speed and agility. And characters similar to thing and weaker have knocked out wolvie.

Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine got up and came right back.. ben meanwhile was holding his face hunched over in pain.....

Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine got up and came right back.. ben meanwhile was holding his face hunched over in pain.....

Of course it was the 90's, Wolverine was invincible. 😆

Seriously though that was an editing mistake. I mean he smacked him halfway across New York and all of a sudden he just gets up again? BS

Oh Ben didnt get up because no one else was attacking him

Originally posted by capt it up
logans two fast and one hit from logan coul dput thing down for the count

Do you think that wolverine is more powerful than Sasquatch? Because a punch from Sasquatch did not KO Thing.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Do you think that wolverine is more powerful than Sasquatch? Because a punch from Sasquatch did not KO Thing.

As far as I know of they used to be evenly matched, but nowadays because of the whole Tanraqui or whatever thing Ben cant beat him 🙁

Originally posted by KharmaDog
But Thing has done damage to Wolvie. On page 2 Wynndar has pointed out in FF#374 where Thing knocked out Logan. Also on page 2 of this debate grey fox shows how a thunderclap from grey hulk negated wolvie’s speed and agility by stunning him. Why could’nt/would’nt ben do the same?

first off, thing didn't KO logan.. logan got right back up and got in things face before the FF hightailed it outa there...

don't believe me? here... here's the aftermath...
http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thing226uj.jpg

see how things doubled over all over again? notice how wovlerine's not?

yeah he wasn't KOed...
as for hulk's thunderclap
hulk stunned him but it otherwise didn't effect his agility, if you look back despite logan's pain he's still dodging hulks punches and bounding around him.. and all it really did was send him into a feral rage anyways...

thing CAN thunderclap logan.. but considering CIS it's just not likely to happen... you're also forgetting that logan CAN speedblitz thing....

Originally posted by KharmaDog
and he has been knocked out by the likes of Captain america and Sasquatch.

sasquatch did that ONCE to wolverine BY SURPRISE... has he ever done it since to a fighting back logan? hell even an aware logan? no.. so again.. for a forum fight where thing isn't getting the jump on an unaware wolverine... bad example...

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Excellent point.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
But it seems that others are ignoring the fact that thing has gotten past wolvie's speed and agility. And characters similar to thing and weaker have knocked out wolvie.

characters weaker than thing have knocked out wolverine due to outside circumstances...

and while there are a few that HAVE straight up KOed the little guy, there are WAYYYYY more incidents in which logan hasn't been KOed so statstically speaking the possibility of thing doing it is pretty low.