Bruce lee vs. Andre the giant is not a similar comparison.
Bruce Lee vs. a man of Andre's size and extensive martial arts training and fishting skills plus above average speed and agility for such a large man would be an appropriate comparison. One which would see Bruce get his ass stomped (as wolvie's would be against thing).
Originally posted by Soleran
That was FAR FAR from mangled it was 3 blades inserted in his shoulder!
Again also Champion jobber or not is a far better martial artist then Wolverine is.Thing has even taken hits from artillery!
his insides were mangled.. they were cut they were torn, they were in a disfigured state then before he was stabbed... MANGLED...
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I've read quite a bit of this thread and it really is getting ridiculous. Wolverine's fans are once again going over the top here.Thing could just grab wolvie by the neck and crush his windpipe.
Thing has proven again and again that he is one of the most durable brawlers in Marvel, and I don't care how fast and agile you think Logan is, he is so HUGELY outclassed in strength here that he loses. Everytime.
I understand that a legion of wolvie fans will attack me, but just try and use logic (as tough as it is to apply to comics) look at MMA combat. Take the most skilled, fastest most agile 155 pound athlete and put him up against a 6'8 400 lb fighter who has half his skill. the little guy will be crushed. Size and strength matter very much in physical combat, especially when you are exponentially outclassed.
logically wolverine can cut off things arm if he tries to grab logan..
logically wolverine's going to be farrr more experienced, a much better fighter, and faster than thing can deal with.
if wolverine was exponentially outclassed in anything besides strength here what you're saying might hold some value.. but he isn't so it doesn't.
Originally posted by Soleran
Probably not, anyway martial arts give you an edge but not a victory. In humans of comparable skill jui jitsu is good to tackle an opponent of 3inchs taller and/or 50lbs heavier with success beyond that good luck.Anyway size does matter in this world🙂
yeah but then again this isn't 616 which is what we're dicsussing...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Can be, but I doubt those guys were using their speed to the fullest.
That's a tough argument to fall back on though. If characters were written where they used their powers to their maximum potential many fishts would be over in seconds. Thing would just twist off many of his opponants heads (as would the other powerhouses).
Wolvie is fast and agile, but I would think that he is not near the fastest or most agile adversary that Thing has ever faced.
Don't get me wrong, I am actually not a huge fan of Ben Grimm. I just think that wolvie is outclassed in a major aspect of this fight.
Originally posted by KharmaDogNope, but I seriously think that he is fast and agile to dodge Things punches. He does the same with faster things, plus when you add his 100+ year training in the mix...
That's a tough argument to fall back on though. If characters were written where they used their powers to their maximum potential many fishts would be over in seconds. Thing would just twist off many of his opponants heads (as would the other powerhouses).Wolvie is fast and agile, but I would think that he is not near the fastest or most agile adversary that Thing has ever faced.
Don't get me wrong, I am actually not a huge fan of Ben Grimm. I just think that wolvie is outclassed in a major aspect of this fight.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
That's a tough argument to fall back on though. If characters were written where they used their powers to their maximum potential many fishts would be over in seconds. Thing would just twist off many of his opponants heads (as would the other powerhouses).Wolvie is fast and agile, but I would think that he is not near the fastest or most agile adversary that Thing has ever faced.
Don't get me wrong, I am actually not a huge fan of Ben Grimm. I just think that wolvie is outclassed in a major aspect of this fight.
a major aspect?
no.. it's an aspect that's practially totally negated by wolverine's other attributes... if you're ignoring those attributes than you're ignoring what wolverine can do.
Originally posted by jinzin
logically wolverine can cut off things arm if he tries to grab logan..
Though the adamantium may have the strength to cut Thing, does wolverine posses the strength to deliver the power which would be needed for such a blow?
Originally posted by jinzin
logically wolverine's going to be farrr more experienced, a much better fighter, and faster than thing can deal with.
Could wolverine beat the champion?
Originally posted by jinzin
if wolverine was exponentially outclassed in anything besides strength here what you're saying might hold some value.. but he isn't so it doesn't.
He does not need to be exponantially outclassed in anything other than strength. My argument is, "if you take a small guy with excellent fighting skills, and you put him agains an exponentially stronger adversary with very capable fighting skills, the big big guy will always win."
Originally posted by jinzin
it's an aspect that's practially totally negated by wolverine's other attributes... if you're ignoring those attributes than you're ignoring what wolverine can do.
I don't claim to be an expert, so I have to ask you, in any past confrontation between wolverine and thing, has thing ever been able to punch or grab logan?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Though the adamantium may have the strength to cut Thing, does wolverine posses the strength to deliver the power which would be needed for such a blow?
it doesn't matter at this point.. you're trying to bring logic in this conversation but you're being subjective about how you're using it... the blades have been stated to be indiestructable, the strongest substance in the universe and capible of cutting through anything save admantium... thing isn't adamantium thus his arm comes off....
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Could wolverine beat the champion?
I mean ben couldn't either.. so what does that prove? nothing... nothing at all....
Originally posted by KharmaDog
He does not need to be exponantially outclassed in anything other than strength. My argument is, "if you take a small guy with excellent fighting skills, and you put him agains an exponentially stronger adversary with very capable fighting skills, the big big guy will always win."
which is anothewr horrible example since your neglecting the other attributes that logan has that negate any of the big guy's advantages by comparing him to this...
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I don't claim to be an expert, so I have to ask you, in any past confrontation between wolverine and thing, has thing ever been able to punch or grab logan?
he's been able to hit him sure.. but then again speed isn't one of the attributes I was talking about..
but here we go again.. you're being subjective... you want to use logic... logically thing touching logan in the past doesn't count for anything here since logically thing wouldn't touch wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin
he's been able to hit him sure.. but then again speed isn't one of the attributes I was talking about..but here we go again.. you're being subjective... you want to use logic... logically thing touching logan in the past doesn't count for anything here since logically thing wouldn't touch wolverine.
How does that not count for anything? Past performances and confrontations between two fighters that we are pitting against eachother don't matter? PLease explain this as I am a bit confused on that point.