Originally posted by BUSTER1
You haven't seen my reasoning so how can you say it is flawed
Because, if a false conclusion is reached either A) one of the premises must also be false, or B) the argument (the 'reasoning'😉 is invalid.
The premises cannot be false, as they are given. Thus, via a bastardized form of disjunctive syllogism, we can see that your reasoning must be invalid.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
fine whats your reasoning?
Originally posted by BUSTER1
The Thing can do a thunderclap, which would temporarily stun Wolverine, as his hypersensitive hearing would make him vulnerable too it. If the Thing is close enough at the time he could move in, b4 Wolverine recovers and treat him to several of his Sunday best punches, which would KO him ala World War Hulk. He would need to punch him more times than Hulk did, as he ain't as strong, but in those circumstances he would do it. Wolverine is not invulnerable to physical damage, concussion or otherwise- he has an insane HF that means he's almost impossible to kill. He is realatively easy to damage (compared to durable bricks like Thing and Hulk) but he will heal up xtremely quick. I'm not saying that Wolverine could't pull off any wins -as i've stated it would be 5 wins each out of 10
as I stated all ready savage hulk tried that vs wolverine and Logan made a joke.
savage hulks thunder clap>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>things
Battlehammer, Capt it up or whatever you want to be called, I have been on KMC for a long time now, I don't post much because I generally respect what others say and enjoy the posts that are made. I must say though that you come over as a complete idiot!!! Wolverine is a very cool superhero, I know it, you know it, hell even Wolvie haters know it, but you have got to take the blinkers off!
You will get no respect by constantly saying that Wolverine can take anyone and everyone. Yes he can regenerate but that is not enough. In KMC a KO counts as a win therefore there are a lot, and I mean a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootoooooot of Heroes/Villains who take him down, and the Thing is certainly one of them.
Please remember that Wolverine is popular. Marvel realise this, therefore the allow him to do feats that are totally PIS.
I don't hate Wolverine, but as a comic book reader for over 20 years, it really p*sses me off to see what he has become, He was a great character in the 80s in the Uncanny Xmen, powerful yes, but not immortal. No better than Cyclops, Colossus or Storm, just possibly a bit cooler.
Time to get real.
Originally posted by stupendous man
Battlehammer, Capt it up or whatever you want to be called, I have been on KMC for a long time now, I don't post much because I generally respect what others say and enjoy the posts that are made. I must say though that you come over as a complete idiot!!! Wolverine is a very cool superhero, I know it, you know it, hell even Wolvie haters know it, but you have got to take the blinkers off!You will get no respect by constantly saying that Wolverine can take anyone and everyone. Yes he can regenerate but that is not enough. In KMC a KO counts as a win therefore there are a lot, and I mean a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootoooooot of Heroes/Villains who take him down, and the Thing is certainly one of them.
Please remember that Wolverine is popular. Marvel realise this, therefore the allow him to do feats that are totally PIS.
I don't hate Wolverine, but as a comic book reader for over 20 years, it really p*sses me off to see what he has become, He was a great character in the 80s in the Uncanny Xmen, powerful yes, but not immortal. No better than Cyclops, Colossus or Storm, just possibly a bit cooler.
Time to get real.
Im the idiot and you come up with a post like this?
like tony you simply ignore evidence, becuase you dislike it how sad.
being poplar really has nothing to do with it. His first apearance he KOed wendigo...........
Logan been stated as immortal since 92.
He been stated as recarnation of a warrior from the past since he arc with Ba'al which was his first ongoing solo or one of them.
I don't think wolverine can beat every one far from it actually.
please I would love for you to to quote me saying wolverine would win verse some one he could not possiably beat.
Oh and by the way I love how you call PIS on Logan taking hits from heavy hitters even though he done it over and over since he pritty much started.
in the 80's.......he did not even have a healing factor..............nor was there pritty much any info on him.
so you call pis on Logan becuase you don't like he doing things he was designed to do? how funny.
[QUOTE=9550718]Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im the idiot and you come up with a post like this?
like tony you simply ignore evidence, becuase you dislike it how sad.
being poplar really has nothing to do with it. His first apearance he KOed wendigo...........
Logan been stated as immortal since 92.
He been stated as recarnation of a warrior from the past since he arc with Ba'al which was his first ongoing solo or one of them.
I don't think wolverine can beat every one far from it actually.
please I would love for you to to quote me saying wolverine would win verse some one he could not possiably beat.
Oh and by the way I love how you call PIS on Logan taking hits from heavy hitters even though he done it over and over since he pritty much started.
in the 80's.......he did not even have a healing factor..............nor was there pritty much any info on him.
so you call pis on Logan becuase you don't like he doing things he was designed to do? how funny. [/QUOTE
I don't mean it as a personal attack on you. I just think that you need to accept that he can lose to a hell of a lot of people.
Respect to your reply though, from reading various threads I thought that you pretty much took Wolvie to beat anyone. If that is not the case then sorry. I still think that he is written as way over-powered because he is a very popular character.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Im the idiot and you come up with a post like this?like tony you simply ignore evidence, becuase you dislike it how sad.
being poplar really has nothing to do with it. His first apearance he KOed wendigo...........
Logan been stated as immortal since 92.
He been stated as recarnation of a warrior from the past since he arc with Ba'al which was his first ongoing solo or one of them.
I don't think wolverine can beat every one far from it actually.
please I would love for you to to quote me saying wolverine would win verse some one he could not possiably beat.
Oh and by the way I love how you call PIS on Logan taking hits from heavy hitters even though he done it over and over since he pritty much started.
in the 80's.......he did not even have a healing factor..............nor was there pritty much any info on him.
so you call pis on Logan becuase you don't like he doing things he was designed to do? how funny.
OK... We can settle this once and for all. To help show that you truly aren't a Wolverine fanboy, Please do your best to name as many as you can, less than herald, non-fliers, from MARVEL 616 heroes or villains that can beat wolverine for the majority KMC style. We all know that you've got quite a wide spectrum of knowledge in reference to possible characters to do so. So lets see your list, please give us as many as you can come up with.
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Originally posted by Tony StarkWolverine doesn't have enhanced durability other than his bones being adamantium. He does however have a history of surviving fights with multton lifters. To say that his organs would survive a multiton lifters hits is ridiculous. And despite you not liking the fact that it happens, it is part of Wolverine's 33 year history.
🙄Come on Creshok you definitely have had your fair share of battlethimble posts in your past so your also definitely talking to the hand on that note, and shouldn't be throwing any rocks.
So let see how this works Ben or any other legit CL100 fighter starts to bash in Wolverines head, and after what should be one of the soon to be many direct hits his brain has turned to mush but before the 2nd blow arrives Wolverines brain has reconstructed it's self and is back to normal without any known issues that would restrict Wolverine from continuing his attacks... Did I miss anything? And is that description accurate?
So again. You calling anyone a "battlethimble" is the height of hypocrisy if you think one or two showings overrides a 33year history of doing the exact opposite.
Originally posted by Tony StarkYou are aware that your standing credibility among the board is lower than mine yes?
If it is you now know why Wolverine gets the crap he does and why all Wolverine battlethimbles are looked like as they are because it's always going to be... In a fight o the death it will be Wolverine>Galactus, Wolverine>THANOS, Wolverine>Abraxis, Wolverine>GOD which is where the extreme humor lies.
Appearently not.
Originally posted by Tony StarkOf course not because that's what fanboys like to do.. they'll ignore a character's history because it doesn't suit their fanboyish arguments. Case in point. you JUST discarded all of Wolverine's history in favor of the two bad showings you have available to you.
And FTR Wolverine isn't exactly the same character he was in HULK #180. So if your going to go with the "override the character's history of 33 years crap, it wont work.
Originally posted by Tony StarkAnd this doesn't over ride the fact that he's been taking multiton hits his entire life. When he first became an X-man in Giant sized X-men #1 while training with the others Colossus strikes him and mentions that its a full force hit. Wolveirne is then sent across the danger room to strike an opposite wall and states that all the hit did was make him mad.
No character in the comics history (outside of Superman maybe) has been changed from writer to writer in reference to his abilities and his "powers" than Wolverine. Example. Writer X 😖hifty: gets paired with a rockstar new peciler and inker and is able to put together some thought and storyline that is a good read and the kids enjoy it. And within this story arc for this trio the writer allows the character to do something that is so far away from what the character capable of doing from the last issue and the next issue the character is given another new ability and a couple issues down the way they get another new ability and now 10-15 issues later all of this is now cannon. Now try to think of this scenario in a little bigger window, say...33 years and maybe a 100 different writers and the next one trying to out do the last one and the only way to do that is to continue to give this character more and more powers week after week after month after month after year after year. And in the end we have Wolverine. Whatever the writer wants to make him do for a couple books is now turned into the standard for the character. On to the next writer and the next writer and so on all doing the same thing.
His entire carrer, which you are more than happy to discard because you think his ability to take multiton hits is recent, is like this. And only during certain circustances is he knocked out in a signle hit.
Your counter argument only shows the progression of a character as they get more powerful, that applies to EVERY character. Because Thing is a character that certainly evolved in both powers and apperence. So you cannot single out Wolverine with the example you used. Others' include Iceman, Spiderman, Magneto, Storm, Superman etc. etc.
All characters evolve in the way you described.
Originally posted by Tony StarkWhich is why in your opinion he loses to thing? Because you think his character is a joke? Way to break forum rules.
It may surprise you to hear that I actually like Wolverine as a character (attitude, bravado, one lines, the back stories are alot of the times interesting and he can be a good read) but after 20+ years of my reading him with the above mentioned activities going on. He IMO has been made into the joke of the character that he is now.
Originally posted by Tony StarkIt's funny that you place such specifications on who he's allowed to name. It goes to show that by leading the question like this you are the true fanboy as you couldn't stand to see him able to name people who can obviously beat him.
OK... We can settle this once and for all. To help show that you truly aren't a Wolverine fanboy, Please do your best to name as many as you can, less than herald, non-fliers, from MARVEL 616 heroes or villains that can beat wolverine for the majority KMC style. We all know that you've got quite a wide spectrum of knowledge in reference to possible characters to do so. So lets see your list, please give us as many as you can come up with.😉
It's like me saying "What below street level characters who don't have invulnerability or superstrength can you name that can beat Thing?" And with you failing to name any would that prove conclusively that you're a Thing fanboy?
No, it juts means the begging the question fallacy was commited.. ads you commited it in your post.
Originally posted by Creshosk
It's funny that you place such specifications on who he's allowed to name. It goes to show that by leading the question like this you are the true fanboy as you couldn't stand to see him able to name people who can obviously beat him.It's like me saying "What below street level characters who don't have invulnerability or superstrength can you name that can beat Thing?" And with you failing to name any would that prove conclusively that you're a Thing fanboy?
No, it juts means the begging the question fallacy was commited.. ads you commited it in your post.
The limits that Tony Stark set were in Wolverine's favor.
Originally posted by masterbruceAs the limits I set were in Ben's.
The limits that Tony Stark set were in Wolverine's favor.
Kind of the point isn't it? by picking characteristics that would throw the fight in favor of the other character and then saying the other character has to lose is what's leading.
Let me put it in perspective for you:
"How many joe-shmoe powerless civilian type characters can you name that can beat Batman? If you can't name any you're a Batman fanboy."
Kind of annoying isn't it?
Though replace batman with anyother character and then you become a fanboy of that character? And a fanboy of each character that you fail to name characters who meets the specifications I mentioned?
It's decptive, leading and intellectually dishonest.