Full Power DCU Spectre vs. Phoenix Force

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You of all people explain anything comic book related to me? LOL. Thats quite laughable.

And thus we see you laughing at yourself. Should I call Batman to show you to your Arkam Asylum room?

I was the one who said that in my post so why would you have to explain any of that to me?

Like I needed you to point that out to me? Maybe you should dig up threads involving LT or TOAA and see my opinions on the matter.

As for why? I'm quoting you that's all and pointing things out.

*sigh* That is exactly the reason why its heavily suggested INSTEAD. Through a saturation of symbology and the uses of phrases and terms which directly link Jean to GOD. Not A god THE GOD. Marvel have just heavily suggeested all of this and its quite apparent for those who delve into comics for their hidden depths among other things as opposed to the pretty artwork.

Again, Marvel doesn't care about angels and such. TOAA is served by LT. For all your symbols and such, LT is second only to TOAA. The creator or such could be another. It's not TOAA. LT serves TOAA. An aspect? TOAA doesn't have aspects. There's only one being LT acknowledges - it's TOAA.

Youre quite correct. They are thrown around a lot. However when used together as is the case for Phoenix they take on a whole different meaning. Jean is one with THE PRIMAL FORCE OF CREATION making her a phoenix. Understood? Cool.

😆 Even if this was Christmas and you've been your best all year - even Santa Claus can't make your wish come true. PF ain't an aspect of TOAA. LT has never acknowledged anyone else but TOAA. Thanos with the HOTU never acknowledges Phoenix or primal force of creation.

Nice idea. Rubbish execution. Theres a difference my boy, a big difference. Adam isnt stated to be linked to the primal force of creation that created and is everything.

Adams name doesnt refer directly to him being a vessel through which God essence can enter the world of man.

Adams story or comics arent rife with symbology and parallels to religious themes. For example he isnt regulated by an unheard voice which sends him into the multiverse below to heal or disinfect from within our plane of existence Kind of like Gods seraphim who traditionally look like fire emblazoned humans with wings who are sent down from the heavens to heal the world of man and put right his wrongdoings. Is it me or does that sound just too painstakingly familiar to ignore. Or maybe thats exactly what you want to do in order to win this debate B? Whats up. Not much going on in the real world?

Nice. Warlock was originally known as HIM. He was born from a cocoon. When he emerged he did things on Thors level. He battled Man Beast to save counter Earth, who High Evolutionary lost. He was crucified like Jesus. Later on, he came back to life. Fought with others to take the IG from Thanos. Then became GOD. Guess what, even this GOD was not a match for LT.

In the HOTU, Warlock shows up again to stop Thanos.

Warlock=Jesus

Your so right. Warlock books doesn't have any religious symbols and such. 🙄

Originally posted by Dizzle
Exactly, Presence has never commanded the Spectre to fight Michael or Lucifer... I'd also say that if the Presence willed the Spectre to destroy LT, he could do it... But that's just me.

The same goes for Spectre. If the TOAA willed LT to destroy Spectre, he could do it. If both gods backed each of their servants, it would ultimately result in a tie.

Originally posted by Sentry
The same goes for Spectre. If the TOAA willed LT to destroy Spectre, he could do it. If both gods backed each of their servants, it would ultimately result in a tie.

Logical.

Warlock is the man. He convinced Thanos to undo everything he did. He's the messiah of the marvel universe. He was there in the Infinity Gauntlet Saga. Again for the Infinity Wars. And again for THE END. Warlock kicks a$$.

People think Superman can take Warlock...Pfftt..

Originally posted by Sentry
The same goes for Spectre. If the TOAA willed LT to destroy Spectre, he could do it. If both gods backed each of their servants, it would ultimately result in a tie.

Can you give me references for this? LT and Spectre both serve the supreme beings of their respective universes, true. But the basis of LT's powers is different than The Spectre's. Dizzle and I are saying such things because it was already STATED from the get-go that The Spectre gets his powers from The Presence. I have never seen LT or anyone else say that LT also constantly gets his power from TOAA.

Originally posted by Synchro
Can you give me references for this? LT and Spectre both serve the supreme beings of their respective universes, true. But the basis of LT's powers is different than The Spectre's. Dizzle and I are saying such things because it was already STATED from the get-go that The Spectre gets his powers from The Presence. I have never seen LT or anyone else say that LT also constantly gets his power from TOAA.

No I can't. I already know LT was given full power by the TOAA and Spectre constantly relies on power from the Presence. I must've misunderstood Dizzle. He said this:

Exactly, Presence has never commanded the Spectre to fight Michael or Lucifer... I'd also say that if the Presence willed the Spectre to destroy LT, he could do it... But that's just me.

Hey WARLOCk dude....... think you can handle Spectre ??

why is lucifer, who is an evil bastard, God's favorite?

lets not forget that spectar is only A WRAITH of god, not god himself, so please dont talk about "if god willed him to" because the wraith of god will NEVER have powers equal to that of the presesmce even if the presence fully supported the spectar, remember the first rule of omnipotence, never WILL someone else to have equal or greater power than yourself.

I agree... afterall A wise guy with unlimited power will never grant another person with the same unlimited power as himself...

And God is wiser than anyone else !!!

The Spectre at full power maybe about 99999999/100000000 of Presence

So how will that much powered spectre will handle PF ?

Oh yeah can anyone give details of Spectre's abilities, you know ... force blasts, molecule rearrangement, psionic, ???

i dont think spectar can even hope to attain one millionth of the power of the presence just like tribunal can not hope to attain any small fraction of the power of TOAA.