Comic Book Questions

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman wasn't fighting him.

And Guy was like "DID YOU SEE THAT?!!! ONE PUNCH!!!" because Bats has embarassed his ass tons of times, and Batman was on his ass after the punch.

Like I said, it wasn't a one punch.

Simple beams into his eyes even though Superman uses those same eyes to generate intense heat... haermm

John's a b*tch.

Well then, one punch stopped Batman, so either way...

Ya, but, this time something is entering his eyes, and is likely to be affecting his brain.

I don't know how to explain it, but it was a bad arse character moment.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I believe Batman tried to stop him, with the batarang...
Oh ya, well, look at the fear in Batman's eyes.

Well then, one punch stopped Batman, so either way...

Ya, but, this time something is entering his eyes, and is likely to be affecting his brain.

I don't know how to explain it, but it was a bad arse character moment.

Batman wanted to b*tch at Hal for all the shit he did in Coast City, but Hal didn't want any of that. Batman only used a batarang to garner his attention.

Batman put his hand on Jordan's shoulder to turn him around but ended up being sucker punched. It wasn't a one-punch. He fell on his ass, and Hal Jordan was like "I don't care what you have to say right now, we need to go!"

Then Bats got back up and said "He's as arrogant as ever."

And I really don't care about the John/Superman thing, but it was just straight up bullshit.

Geoff Johns perplexes me. He can have Superman surviving a supernova of red sun radiation while weakened, and also taking out SBP while severely weakened, but a beam in his eyes puts him down for the count. 🤪

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman wanted to b*tch at Hal for all the shit he did in Coast City, but Hal didn't want any of that. Batman only used a batarang to garner his attention.

Batman put his hand on Jordan's shoulder to turn him around but ended up being sucker punched. It wasn't a one-punch. He fell on his ass, and Hal Jordan was like "I don't care what you have to say right now, we need to go!"

Then Bats got back up and said "He's as arrogant as ever."

And I really don't care about the John/Superman thing, but it was just straight up bullshit.

Geoff Johns perplexes me. He can have Superman surviving a supernova of red sun radiation while weakened, and also taking out SBP while severely weakened, but a beam in his eyes puts him down for the count. 🤪

Also, I think it's probably one of the bestest feats ever, what Hal did to Batman, so stop trying to take it away from him!

Did you see the fear in his eyes? I don't think you did!

Plusters, isn't that basically the same thing as Batman did to Hal, in your sig? 1 for 1 b*tch, who's going to break the tie?

Now, on a serious note... Batman should have never tried to stop Hal like he did, if he wasn't expecting something in return. Trying to question him about Coast City, trying to stop him from fighting Parallax? Batarang, the old seducing hand on the shoulder...
You'd also think Batman would have time to kind of react since he has his FTL reflexes basically watching Hal turn around and smoke him... 😖hifty:
Either way, could Batman have continued right away if it was an actual fight? He looked kind of rocked after that...

Ya, but, when has Superman ever had stuff forcibly blew into his eyes?
I don't think it's really comparable to other things that Superman has taken.

Hell, we've seen simple arrows from Hal pierce right through Mongul (different power levels, I know, but still...), and these things were going straight into his head, through his eyes.

Superboy Prime was also weakened, in case you forgot...

Originally posted by batdude123

Geoff Johns perplexes me. He can have Superman surviving a supernova of red sun radiation while weakened, and also taking out SBP while severely weakened, but a beam in his eyes puts him down for the count. 🤪

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Oh ya, well, so is your face!

Also, I think it's probably one of the bestest feats ever, what Hal did to Batman, so stop trying to take it away from him!

Did you see the fear in his eyes? I don't think you did!

Plusters, isn't that basically the same thing as Batman did to Hal, in your sig? 1 for 1 b*tch, who's going to break the tie?

Now, on a serious note... Batman should have never tried to stop Hal like he did, if he wasn't expecting something in return. Trying to question him about Coast City, trying to stop him from fighting Parallax? Batarang, the old seducing hand on the shoulder...
You'd also think Batman would have time to kind of react since he has his FTL reflexes basically watching Hal turn around and smoke him... 😖hifty:
Either way, could Batman have continued right away if it was an actual fight? He looked kind of rocked after that...

Batman isn't stupid. He wouldn't forcibly encounter Hal Jordan in direct combat. He knows Hal would schmoke him.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Ya, but, when has Superman ever had stuff forcibly blew into his eyes?
I don't think it's really comparable to other things that Superman has taken.

Hell, we've seen simple arrows from Hal pierce right through Mongul (different power levels, I know, but still...), and these things were going straight into his head, through his eyes.

Diana shoving her thumbs into his eyes pushing back his heat vision didn't effect him.

A simple beam to the face of Superman like that shouldn't have taken him out. That's all I'm saying. With his bio-aura and invulnerability? Hells naw. Good for John, but Superman still has the lead 2-1. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Superboy Prime was also weakened, in case you forgot...

Superman was even more weakened than the other two. He was the only one to be effected by the kryptonite, and they all were effected by flying through Rao.

Originally posted by batdude123
He used a basic, simple plasma blast/beam that all Green Lanterns use as their standard energy projection. There wasn't anything special about it.

I'm saying it's kinda bullshit since he's stared at a supernova up close and personal without blinking, but a little beam almost fried his eyes.

I'm not saying it's a big deal, I just take that as a low showing for Superman. 🙂

A GL ring that can create anything is not limited to "simple plasma" ... in fact with a focused laser beam style blast there's not really an upper limit to how intense a GL could make his light blast.

"When you pass a laser beam through a lens and bring it to a focus, the intensity of the focus will only be limited by diffraction."

GL rings aren't hampered by the limitations of lens sizes and such, so with their rings AI helping them they can create a beam of light so intense that it could blind Superman permanently ... if that GL was so inclined.

Originally posted by Scoobless
A GL ring that can create anything is not limited to "simple plasma" ... in fact with a focused laser beam style blast there's not really an upper limit to how intense a GL could make his light blast.

"When you pass a laser beam through a lens and bring it to a focus, the intensity of the focus will only be limited by diffraction."

GL rings aren't hampered by the limitations of lens sizes and such, so with their rings AI helping them they can create a beam of light so intense that it could blind Superman permanently ... if that GL was so inclined.

I didn't say he was limited to a plasma blast. I'm saying that's all he used.

And someone who can look directly into a supernova without wincing at the luminousness of it, wouldn't be blinded permanently by a Green Lantern. Not to mention all the versions of his sight he can switch to.

Originally posted by batdude123
Batman isn't stupid. He wouldn't forcibly encounter Hal Jordan in direct combat. He knows Hal would schmoke him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Diana shoving her thumbs into his eyes pushing back his heat vision didn't effect him.

A simple beam to the face of Superman like that shouldn't have taken him out. That's all I'm saying. Good for John, but Superman still has the lead 2-1. 😖hifty:

Ya but, John encountered his weakness in this one... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by batdude123
Superman was even more weakened than the other two. He was the only one to be effected by the kryptonite, and they all were effected by flying through Rao.

Either way, Superboy wasn't at even close to full power when they began to bring him into the sun, and Superman was (unless the Doomsday fight actually took anything out of him...).

Well, that's my excuse anyway...

Originally posted by batdude123
I didn't say he was limited to a plasma blast. I'm saying that's all he used.

That's pure speculation though ... nowhere in the comic was it stated that the blast was plasma.

Originally posted by batdude123
And someone who can look directly into a supernova without wincing at the luminousness of it, wouldn't be blinded permanently by a Green Lantern. Not to mention all the versions of his sight he can switch to.

Like I said - no upper limit ... if a GL wanted he could easily create a laser billions of times brighter than any natural solar phenomena.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Are you talking about h2h, or using the ring?

Take a guess.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Can I see the instance in question?

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesvswonderwomanjo6.jpg

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Ya but, John encountered his weakness in this one... 😖hifty:

Meh. I could just as easily say that John was enhanced by Parallax at the time. 🙂

Remember, Kilowog did an okay job facing down Ganthet during that comic.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I think the main focus of that comic, was to show Black Adam ripping off Amazo's head though...
Plus, Superboy Prime had to fight that entire series. Superman had like two fights before he encountered Superboy (and one if you count the fact that Superman had some healing time in between the Superman/Superman fight).
Plus, right after they went through the red sun, Superboy expended the rest of his powers, and then had a little scuffle with other Superman (exhausting him out some more, plus, it takes some force for a boy to kill a man), and then Superman went all Superman on him, and whooped him.

Either way, Superboy wasn't at even close to full power when they began to bring him into the sun, and Superman was (unless the Doomsday fight actually took anything out of him...).

Well, that's my excuse anyway...

What are you talking about? E2 Superman and E1 Superman fought off an entire guantlet of villains before SBP came into the picture in IC #7. The armor he wore continually replenishes his body by absorbing and helping him store extra yellow sun radiation.

It's crap to say that SBP was weakened before the two Supermen flew him through Rao. Superman was the only one effected by the kryptonite, so he was easily the "weakest" during their fight on Mogo. 😄

Even then, SBP was still strong enough to kill E2 Superman.

You're just making an excuse because Black Adam was pwned horrendously by Superboy Prime during IC. 313

Originally posted by batdude123
You're just making an excuse because Black Adam was pwned horrendously by Superboy Prime during IC. 313

"it tickles"

😈

Originally posted by Scoobless
"it tickles"

😈

That part was kinda funny after Black Adam was like "My magic HURTS!!!! YA BITCH!!"

😂

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's pure speculation though ... nowhere in the comic was it stated that the blast was plasma.

There was nothing really special about it. Just a normal GL blast of energy they use.

It's speculation to say otherwise as well.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Like I said - no upper limit ... if a GL wanted he could easily create a laser billions of times brighter than any natural solar phenomena.

Meh, Superman can control the luminosity of his heat vision and has used it to blind the League while they were on the moon before.

Goes both ways. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Take a guess.

Originally posted by batdude123
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supesvswonderwomanjo6.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
Meh. I could just as easily say that John was enhanced by Parallax at the time. 🙂

Remember, Kilowog did an okay job facing down Ganthet during that comic.

Wog got ass toyed with by Ganthet... plus, that was in the next comic. 😛
Hell, all Ganthet did was lift up one hand, sometimes two, during that fight.

Originally posted by batdude123
What are you talking about? E2 Superman and E1 Superman fought off an entire guantlet of villains before SBP came into the picture in IC #7. The armor he wore continually replenishes his body by absorbing and helping him store extra yellow sun radiation.

It's crap to say that SBP was weakened before the two Supermen flew him through Rao. Superman was the only one effected by the kryptonite, so he was easily the "weakest" during their fight on Mogo. 😄

Even then, SBP was still strong enough to kill E2 Superman.

Ya, and he needed that because he went a while without sunlight, so just because he had that, doesn't mean he was filled to capacity.
I mean, he got bloodied up in a couple of the fights as well.

I thought they were all powerless... plus, obviously he wasn't, since he managed to take down SBP.

That was before the fight with Superman. Like I said, it takes a bit of energy to kill a man with your fists, and he also took some blows.

Basically, it's not like Superman fully powered actually beat a fully powered SBP, so I don't see how the writing of the two comics is even relevant.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're just making an excuse because Black Adam was pwned horrendously by Superboy Prime during IC. 313

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
H2h.

Funny guy.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
It doesn't look like she's forcing the beams back into his eyes. Thus, just pushing thumbs into his eyes, which isn't the same as having an energy beam overloading your head.
I don't think you can be KO'ed by thumbing an eye...

Please. She was forcibly shoving his beams back into his eyes. Of course the energy was building up in his face and eyes.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
No he wasn't.

You don't have any proof otherwise.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Wog got ass toyed with by Ganthet... plus, that was in the next comic. 😛
Hell, all Ganthet did was lift up one hand, sometimes two, during that fight.

😆

The fact that he lasted even a few pages against him is damn impressive. Johns even has the audacity in Rebirth to make Ganthet say that Spectre isn't as powerful as the Guardians.

So yes, that was extremely impressive.

Btw, I have Rebirth in graphic novel form, so I really don't care if they happened in separate comics. It's the same book for me.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Ya, and he needed that because he went a while without sunlight, so just because he had that, doesn't mean he was filled to capacity.
I mean, he got bloodied up in a couple of the fights as well.

Please. He manhandled the Titans in such a way, that I've never seen a team of heroes get their asses kicked so badly. Man, was that owning or was that an owning? LOL am I rite?

Not to mention, in the same comic SBP had the fight with the two Supermen, SBP easily killed 32 Lanterns. ermmnone

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I thought they were all powerless... plus, obviously he wasn't, since he managed to take down SBP.

Kryptonite was only effecting him, rather than the other two. And they all three were effected by Rao.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
That was before the fight with Superman. Like I said, it takes a bit of energy to kill a man with your fists, and he also took some blows.

Oh Jesus Christ, him punching E2 Superman a few times had no berring on SBP's fight with Superman.

😂 @ that.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Basically, it's not like Superman fully powered actually beat a fully powered SBP, so I don't see how the writing of the two comics is even relevant.

The relevancy is that he flew through a sun (no doubt with his eyes open) and stood knee deep in k-nite and was still not taken out, and he finished the job.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Black Adam was hitting him with magic, and teh magic tickled. Also, he just got knocked back, and then teleported away before he could kill SBP... so... ya.

😆

Originally posted by batdude123
Funny guy.

Wow, what a fiasco that would have been!

Originally posted by batdude123
Please. She was forcibly shoving his beams back into his eyes. Of course the energy was building up in his face and eyes.

Originally posted by batdude123
You don't have any proof otherwise.

Hell, all they mentioned was that he put fear in them.

Either way, Alan Scott was completely useless in that series...

Originally posted by batdude123
😆

The fact that he lasted even a few pages against him is damn impressive. Johns even has the audacity in Rebirth to make Ganthet say that Spectre isn't as powerful as the Guardians.

So yes, that was extremely impressive.

Btw, I have Rebirth in graphic novel form, so I really don't care if they happened in separate comics. It's the same book for me.

A couple tiny blasts, doesn't mean it's a good feat for Wog.

And then Spectre overpowered Parallax...

Well, sassy pants, I didn't know that, did I?

Originally posted by batdude123
Please. He manhandled the Titans in such a way, that I've never seen a team of heroes get their asses kicked so badly. Man, was that owning or was that an owning? LOL am I rite?

Not to mention, in the same comic SBP had the fight with the two Supermen, SBP easily killed 32 Lanterns. ermmnone

Ya but, it wasn't normal powers in his fight with Superman...
Plus, it's obvious that MM, Superman, E-2 Superman, Flash, Superboy>>>>The Corps.
😖hifty:

Originally posted by batdude123
Kryptonite was only effecting him, rather than the other two. And they all three were effected by Rao.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh Jesus Christ, him punching E2 Superman a few times had no berring on SBP's fight with Superman.

😂 @ that.

Originally posted by batdude123
The relevancy is that he flew through a sun (no doubt with his [b]eyes open) and stood knee deep in k-nite and was still not taken out, and he finished the job.[/B]

It wasn't knee deep, there was scattered K-nite all over the place though.

That shows his willpower...

Originally posted by batdude123
😆

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Not as funny as if I said "with the ring".

Wow, what a fiasco that would have been!

No doubt. We all know that the belt is>>>>the ring!

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
There was energy coming out in all different directions though...😐

Just because his eyes were leaking off excess energy doesn't mean there wasn't a build up in his eyes/face/head.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
If there isn't a mention of a powerup, then what do we assume?

Hell, all they mentioned was that he put fear in them.

Either way, Alan Scott was completely useless in that series...

Parallax could've easily been enhancing John's power with the ring. Parallax did infect their bodies afterall. 🙂

Not to mention, Superman was caught off guard and he didn't know John was about to go ape shit!!! schmoll

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Ganthet wasn't even trying though, and didn't even acknowledge the fact that Kilowog was hitting him.

A couple tiny blasts, doesn't mean it's a good feat for Wog.

And then Spectre overpowered Parallax...

It took him awhile to take down Kilowog though. I mean, he beat Guy and John at the same time with a wave of his hand.

Spectre didn't overcome Parallax in the beginning though.

And according to Johns, the Guardians>>>>>>Spectre. haermm

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Well, sassy pants, I didn't know that, did I?

No, but you should've... prick. malfoy

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The Titans was before he got the suit... so you can say he was full powered.

The armor enhances his absorbing abilities. Superman has been able to go from completely drained to full powered in an instant while in contact with the sun.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Ya but, it wasn't normal powers in his fight with Superman...
Plus, it's obvious that MM, Superman, E-2 Superman, Flash, Superboy>>>>The Corps.
😖hifty:

That's true.

Seriously though, J'onn did okay against him but SBP wasn't really trying to fight him and he didn't really do anything to him in the first place. That encounter gets overrated a ton for J'onn.

Earlier, SBP one shotted him with heat vision.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
But Superman proved not to be the weakest even then (somehow...).

Through will power. His powers have been said plenty of times to be based on will power in addition to the sun's radiation.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Hey, it would tire a normal person out, is all I'm saying...

He's not normal...

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Before he went into the sun, his eyes were squinty.

ZOMG! SQUINTY!!!

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
It wasn't knee deep, there was scattered K-nite all over the place though.

Yeah... and SBP even smashed a piece of k-nite on Superman's face. 😐

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
That shows his willpower...

Yep.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
It's common sense BA was about to kill him...
😖hifty:

"MY MAGIC HURTS, YA LITTLE EMO BASTARD!!!"

"No you Egyptian prick... it tickles."

Originally posted by batdude123
There was nothing really special about it. Just a normal GL blast of energy they use.

It's speculation to say otherwise as well.

If a basic plasma blast can actually hurt Superman then yeah, it could have been that .... if it can't then the fact that it put him out of the fight shows that it wasn't

Originally posted by batdude123
Meh, Superman can control the luminosity of his heat vision and has used it to blind the League while they were on the moon before.

His own abilitiy to produce light is completely irrelevant in this case ... whatever he can produce a GL can go a thousand times brighter.

Originally posted by Scoobless
If a basic plasma blast can actually hurt Superman then yeah, it could have been that .... if it can't then the fact that it put him out of the fight shows that it wasn't

It's called a low showing.

Besides, the brightness of the blast wasn't even what hurt him. The "luminosity" discussion is just a tangent we went off on. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Scoobless
His own abilitiy to produce light is completely irrelevant in this case ... whatever he can produce a GL can go a thousand times brighter.

Which again is irrelevant, because it's bright enough to blind a Green Lantern.

Goes both ways. And seeing how Superman thinks and reacts millions of times faster than Hal/John/Guy/Kyle, I'd say he has the advantage in terms of who can blind who first. 🙂

What a weak discussion.