Comic Book Questions

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What can I say? You're incorrect. Unless Hodiak, Turoq and Nelvanna were around before humanity and when Atum started his first purge and they somehow ran away or hid during that time, they're not Elder Gods. Set and Chthon ran away into other dimensions. Oshtur was away during the first purge exploring the universe and thus avoided the whole bruhaha. Gaea was the only one explicitly spared, since she was the one who birthed and summoned Atum. The term "elder god" has been thrown around, but unless you're amongst the first ones who emerged at the birth of the Earth, you're not one of them.

Again, if they're older than Earth, they can't be Elder Gods.

On Chernobog.

Yep they were around before humanity, and were banished into another dimension a thousand years ago. Same thing happened to the Inua, but they didn't run they were banished to their realm. Also Hodiak (also known as Torngarsuk) has said to be one, but the others I wasn't sure but apparently Nelvanna and Shaper are (because their the "Elder Gods" that speak through the Talisman of Power)

Gods of the Arctic arn't older then the Earth, the Great Beasts are but their said to be Elder Gods. Also yes I know you feel you don't consider them Elder Gods. WHich is fine, Im only saying what they have been called in the actual comics. Not sure why you say Im incorrect, as its not based on my opinion this is what was said in the comics themselves *shrugs*

Chernobog appeared in Exiles #84 (Vol.1)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I only know what's been portrayed mostly in Thor, Avengers, Alpha Flight, Incredible Hercules and Dr. Strange comics.

What Alpha Flight issues have you read?

Also was Hodiak even in Thor? I thought it was another Native American god. Actually Im almost positive it was Manitou

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yep they were around before humanity, and were banished into another dimension a thousand years ago. Same thing happened to the Inua, but they didn't run they were banished to their realm. Also Hodiak (also known as Torngarsuk) has said to be one, but the others I wasn't sure but apparently Nelvanna and Shaper are (because their the "Elder Gods" that speak through the Talisman of Power)

Gods of the Arctic arn't older then the Earth, the Great Beasts are but their said to be Elder Gods. Also yes I know you feel you don't consider them Elder Gods. WHich is fine, Im only saying what they have been called in the actual comics. Not sure why you say Im incorrect, as its not based on my opinion this is what was said in the comics themselves *shrugs*

Chernobog appeared in Exiles #84 (Vol.1)

What Alpha Flight issues have you read?

Also was Hodiak even in Thor? I thought it was another Native American god.

I'd be interested in knowing which issues you're citing from.

Never been into Exiles. His description sounds ethnic though.

A bunch.

The Godheads of both the "Eskimo" and "Native American" were present during the whole Fourth Host of Celestials hoedown.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First, what comic are you referring to when you make this claim that they arose before humanity? Because I don't remember these references at all. Second, were they around when Atum started eating everyone? Because again, I can't think of a single reference where that was even insinuated. There's a difference between being called an "elder god" and being called an "Elder God" whose origins lie with the birth of the Earth. I'm pretty positive I can find someone calling Odin or some other Asgardian an "elder god."

I'd be interested in knowing which issues you're citing from.

Never been into Exiles. His description sounds ethnic though.

A bunch.

The Godheads of both the "Eskimo" and "Native American" were present during the whole Fourth Host of Celestials hoedown.

Ill have to look at what issue they said this in, but they mentioned they battled the Great Beasts before the dawn of man, and became the most predomiant belief 20,000 BC-10,000 BC (A Talisman appeared at 20 and 10 BC). How long ago did Atum kill most of the Elder Gods? 1,000-2,000 years ago?

As in something specific as their "origins" are scattered through AF #130 and even in Wolverine

He didn't do much in Exiles and was eventually banished back to his realm by Snowbird.
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Exiles0842006Team-DCP13.jpg

"There's a difference between being called an "elder god" and being called an "Elder God" whose origins lie with the birth of the Earth". True enough, can't say for certain which they are to be honest other then they were called elder gods and have ties to the origins of Earth.

Pretty sure that was just Mantiou, as I don't recall seeing Hodiak there as he can't easily leave his dimension amymore.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ill have to look at what issue they said this in, but they mentioned they battled the Great Beasts before the dawn of man, and became the most predomiant belief 20,000 BC-10,000 BC (A Talisman appeared at 20 and 10 BC). How long ago did Atum kill most of the Elder Gods? 1,000-2,000 years ago?

As in something specific as their "origins" are scattered through AF #130 and even in Wolverine

He didn't do much in Exiles and was eventually banished back to his realm by Snowbird.
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Exiles0842006Team-DCP13.jpg

"There's a difference between being called an "elder god" and being called an "Elder God" whose origins lie with the birth of the Earth". True enough, can't say for certain which they are to be honest other then they were called elder gods and have ties to the origins of Earth.

Pretty sure that was just Mantiou, as I don't recall seeing Hodiak there as he can't easily leave his dimension amymore.

Well, if you ever have time, scans would be awesome. Otherwise, I'll check comicvine.com for appearance lists.

Huh. That's the first time I've seen the origins of the Darkforce Dimension speculated at. Still, Agamotto and Mephisto have created their own dimensions. Too ethnic to be Elder God.

Trust me. I won't lead you wrong... 😖hifty:

Don't know who the label "Eskimo," (separate and apart from the label, "Native American"😉 would signify other than the Inua and Hodiak. Manitou and the Native Americans are not Eskimo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Atum killed the Elder Gods more than hundreds of millions of years ago, possibly billions of years ago. Definitely before the dinosaurs existed.

Well, if you ever have time, scans would be awesome. Otherwise, I'll check comicvine.com for appearance lists.

Huh. That's the first time I've seen the origins of the Darkforce Dimension speculated at. Still, Agamotto and Mephisto have created their own dimensions. Too ethnic to be Elder God.

Trust me. I won't lead you wrong... 😖hifty:

Don't know who the label "Eskimo," (separate and apart from the label, "Native American"😉 would signify other than the Inua and Hodiak. Manitou and the Native Americans are not Eskimo.

Billions? I thought they said it was thousands? Then again I may be thinking when they created the one Hell dimension.

I just checked comicvine to see if I could get them myself and they don't have really anything about the Inua (or all their apperances). I will see what I can do, but it will be quite some time as Im pretty busy and not sure what issue to look for.

Fair enough. Also I thought they did mention the origin of the DarkForce in the People's proctate mini?

I believe you, its not a huge deal to me. I can live with just calling them "old"

Not sure, but they have other Eskimo gods. However, it might have been Hodiak though he was never showed. I assume its just an error because at that time he was trapped in his dimension

^ The first time Atum was summoned was before the dinosaurs existed. The second time he was summoned was when Set was fooling around with the dinosaurs. Again, before humans existed. The Elder Gods were basically among the first living things on Earth.

Yeah, I'm aware. Good luck with the tourney.

The Hulk: Winter Guard mini or something else?

How about "youth-impaired?" peaches

If you want a No-Prize, then you could explain it as him extending his power outside of it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ The first time Atum was summoned was before the dinosaurs existed. The second time he was summoned was when Set was fooling around with the dinosaurs. Again, before humans existed. The Elder Gods were basically among the first living things on Earth.

Yeah, I'm aware. Good luck with the tourney.

The Hulk: Winter Guard mini or something else?

How about "youth-impaired?" peaches

If you want a No-Prize, then you could explain it as him extending his power outside of it.

I knew that, but when did he start gobbling up the other Elder Gods? Its been years since I have read it. Im starting to think the thousands of years part was the creating the one hell dimension which summoned Atum to some extent.

Something else from the 90's. Hulk: Winter Guard is awful has Hulk even appeared yet?

That works too 😛

Could be, as he has sent "astral" projections before, but most of the time he does that he needs to be summoned by a magician. Naaaa...I don't need a no-prize.

^ He started gobbling up the other Elder Gods before the dinosaurs existed. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with the "one hell dimension" thing. If you're referring to when all the Death gods like Pluto, Hela, Mephisto, Ereshkigal accidentally summoned Atum, that occurred in the modern-day IIRC.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He started gobbling up the other Elder Gods before the dinosaurs existed. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with the "one hell dimension" thing. If you're referring to when all the Death gods like Pluto, Hela, Mephisto, Ereshkigal accidentally summoned Atum, that occurred in the modern-day IIRC.

I'll have to reread it again.

If it was billions of years ago he started to eat them then Hodiak should have been present. Though he may have been ignored like many other characters related to Canada. Natch! Regardless I can live with just calling them "old" then the "true" Elder Gods.

What are the "upgrades" Thanos has received that I keep seeing mentioned? Haven't read anything w/him in it since Annihilation so I'm kinda behind.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He started gobbling up the other Elder Gods before the dinosaurs existed. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with the "one hell dimension" thing. If you're referring to when all the Death gods like Pluto, Hela, Mephisto, Ereshkigal accidentally summoned Atum, that occurred in the modern-day IIRC.

Just remembered Belasco's masters are called Elder Gods too. Dun dun dunnnn.

Few DC related questions.
Where exactly does Wonder Woman stand as far as speed, strength, and h2h ability? She seems kind of inconsistant in all 3. I always figured she was just a little weaker and slower than Supes. I was under the impression shes one of the better h2h fighters in DC, but how would she compare to like Batman in pure skill?

Also, could someone rate the flash family? Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Wally, even Zoom, how do they all rank against each other?

Originally posted by redhotrash
Few DC related questions.
Where exactly does Wonder Woman stand as far as speed, strength, and h2h ability? She seems kind of inconsistant in all 3. I always figured she was just a little weaker and slower than Supes. I was under the impression shes one of the better h2h fighters in DC, but how would she compare to like Batman in pure skill?

Also, could someone rate the flash family? Barry Allen, Bart Allen, Wally, even Zoom, how do they all rank against each other?

my own personal view:

she's slightly weaker (at base level) and slower than superman. she can keep up with him in a fight, and has superior skill.

as far as her skills go, she's at least black canary level if not higher.

Zoom > Wally > Barry > Bart.

So shes faster than speed of light? And isnt Barry like the essence of the speedforce or something like that? I was confused by the description.

Yes, WW is FTL when she needs to be.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Few DC related questions.
Where exactly does Wonder Woman stand as far as speed, strength, and h2h ability? She seems kind of inconsistant in all 3. I always figured she was just a little weaker and slower than Supes. I was under the impression shes one of the better h2h fighters in DC, but how would she compare to like Batman in pure skill?

Obviously it’s difficult to judge. What is interesting is that in the majority of fights between Supes and Batman, Bruce usually wins through trickery or prep or something. However in the more notable scuffles between Diana and Bruce, Wonder Woman tends to give the unstoppable Mr Wayne a run for his money. There was a famous scuffle between the two over a custody issue and Diana mopped the floor with him. It's got a famous JG Jones cover to it with Diana's boot on Batman's head.

What makes it even more difficult is Batman's jobber aura. Diana has had thousands of years of Amazon training running through her veins. But Batman is Batman. He doesn't ever give up. So in theory, on pure h2h Diana should trounce him, but in practise...well, he's Batman.....

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wally > Barry

Originally posted by -K-M-
Just remembered Belasco's masters are called Elder Gods too. Dun dun dunnnn.

Here's a question that's been tumbling in my mind for a while now. When did Sersi turn Thor into a frog? I still can't find where this happened at all...

Does anyone have that scan of She-Hulk admitted she slept with Juggernaut? (not the bedroom scene)

how much kryptonite does it take to kill superman ?

like lets say batman is checking out clarks room and drops just a tiny bit of kryptonite the size of a centemeter on the bed by accident.

would that affect superman ?