Originally posted by Bentley
What is Loeb's worst work?
Loeb's classic stuff = great.
Anything that's less than about 5 or 6 years old = pretty bad.
IMO, Ultimatum is one of, if not, the WORST comic ever written. It's right up there with the Punisher kills the MU in terms of cheesiness, overwraughtness, unecessary violence, awkward dialogue and plot. It's nothing short of an insult to faithful readers of the Ultimate universe.
Apologies for the double post, here's my review of it.....
Originally posted by willRules
Review of Ultimatum #5Synopsis
The end of the Ultimate universe. Magneto vs the remaining heroes. Many more deaths. Some survive, but most die.
Good/Bad?
Art= David Finch is a good artist but this is nothing particularly special for him. Average to good IMO.
Writing= Well now it's over, I can officially say this is the worst comic series I have ever read and I've read some bad series. This series really does deserve an award for finding new levels of crappiness and then reaching them. Every death feels meaningless by now. The shock of killing off a big name wore off in the first issue, so by the time they'd destroyed half of the characters I loved, I couldn't care. If the goal was to kill of so many characters that I wouldn't care, they succeeded. The plot could have been a one shot. This has less substance than the Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe one shot but much more asinine dialogue.
Characters behave out of character. Their dialogue is out of character. The reboot can't come soon enough, I just hope this is all forgotten. This series is why retcons were invented.
The last page reveal made no sense, came out of literally nowhere and had no impact on me. Just because two dead characters were resurrected (to assassinate the person who was campaigning for their benefit???? What the???) was senseless. Fury had the answer to preventing Magneto's threat, which was a reveal that occurred in the first issue of Ultimate Origins (so all you need to read for this entire crapfest was Ultimate Origins #1).
Ultimately it's redundant of me to complain about the pointlessness and atrocities committed in the name of comic writing here, because this is the end of the series. It opened terribly and immaturely so it should be no surprise that it's conclusion made no sense and was worse than a 5 year old fan fiction.
As a customer, I'm offended and disappointed. Marvel will use sales to justify this with the phrase "Fans vote with their dollars." Well I think customers should demand a refund.
S.S.S
1 point = Worst comic/trade/story arc in human history, burn it or feed it to your pet dinosaur.
Originally posted by redhotrashHe doesn't have to focus to see/hear things on earth from space. Kyle called for his help from another galaxy and Superman was sleeping. When he does focus, his sensory range hasn't met any quantifiable limits so far.
Has it ever been explained exactly how good Superman's senses are? Can he hear things from across the city? Or hear/see things on earth from space if he focuses? Just curious.
Originally posted by chomperx9
are thanagarians supposed to be class 100 strength ? i know hawkman is but are the rest of em ? hawkgirl isnt at his strength level i know that.
Class 100 strength ... I doubt it. Class 100 is a very ambiguous term these days, cos it doesn't really have anything to do with a quantifiable weight lifting ability. Its about ranking strength levels relatively to one another ... So someone whose a Things level is class 80-90 etc. This no longer means he can only lift 80-90 tons - He's shown he can lift literally thousands on various occasions, it just means he's got a comparatively similar strength to those included in the category. Analogously to how Indies music donates a certain style of music that has now gone beyond its original necessary condition, i.e. being produced by an Independent label. Very little of the music regarded as Indie is produced on an Independent label, but its still regarded as Indie. This doesn't mean its being falsely applied, its just the meaning of Indie (and its necessary conditions) have expanded. The same applies to the Class levels. Very few of the class levels actually refer to how much the character can lift, its related to whom the character is comparative to in strength.
Anyway back to the original question ... Hawkman maybe able to lift 100tons, with the help of Nth metal, but there is no way he is class 100. There's no way he's class 50 - as I wouldn't reagard him as physicall strong as Spiderman.
Originally posted by Disappear
in x-men 2099, there was a character called cerebra who was a "neuropath," capable of performing various feats akin to telepathy [sedation, possession, manipulation] by directly affecting the brain instead of the mind. there is SUPPOSED to be a difference between telepathy, which affects the mind, and whatever directly affects the brain. i'm sure it wavers telepath to telepath, writer to writer, allowing them to do more or less brain-manipulation instead of messing with the mind.considering it "telekinesis of the brain" is not entirely accurate, in my experience, even if it were a direct manipulation of the brain. telepaths and telekinetics manipulate "soft" and "hard" psionic energy; soft being energy that interacts with other psionic energy, and hard being energy that interacts with the physical world. not really sure where certain telepathic attacks fit in, like emma's "telepathic lightning" which had seemingly physical affects. but i generally consider what i described above to be "the rule."
I take it Decartes meta physical mind would constitute as Hard psionics, I.e. our minds think and our brains respond ?
And I suppose "Soft psionic" constitute as the intraction between two "meta physical minds" analogous to a satellite using radio waves to send messages to a telephone ?
However u could do away with this meta physical "third party" (Your soft psionics), as these meta physical minds will not be limited by PHYSICAL restrictions such as time and space.
This third party is usually needed to overcome this restriction,
I.e. You're over there, I'm over here, our brains aren't connected so we need another device to interact.
i.e. we use sound waves as a "third party" to communicate our thoughts to other brains.
In regards to your question ... If you're going to use your model, I presume the Mental Bolt is delivered, from Emma s "Hard psionic Mind", delivered by "Soft Psionic energies" to another "Hard psionic mind", which then delivers a indirect shock wave of pain into the body?
The problem I have with your model ... (Although I'm just speculating here), If the meta physical mind is consciousness, and has full control over the brain, why would it tell the brain to feel pain ??? What would be the point ? When Metaphysical damaged is done, surely it wouldn't want to make things worse by diverting the damage to the physical realm ? Unless Emma is using her Hard psionic abilities to directly attack the opponents brain ?
Another problem, which I won't expand upon, is that your model seems to over complicate things a little.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's been kind of inconsistant, imo. He heard E-2 Superman scream "Lois" after she died on Earth 2 while he was on Earth 1 during Infinite Crisis. I don't know how far the planets were from each other though.
Using this as an example is going to be sticky, cos in the end it should have been impossible. If the EARTHS were in a vacuum, the sound couldn't have travelled in the first place.
Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Using this as an example is going to be sticky, cos in the end it should have been impossible. If the EARTHS were in a vacuum, the sound couldn't have travelled in the first place.
I saw it as symbolic rather than literal; much about the "core nature" of things, and it's essential character were talked about in IC... as a small example, that "Luthors and Superman don't mix" and "everything comes from Superman." Kal-El "felt" rather than "heard" Kal-L.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Does thor need to eat the asgardian apples to remain in good condition?
It doesn't affect him power-wise if he foregoes it, but it would, eventually, render him mortal.
The Asgardians aren't immortal in the same way as the Olympians; they'll eventually die without those.
Originally posted by willRules
Loeb's classic stuff = great.Anything that's less than about 5 or 6 years old = pretty bad.
IMO, Ultimatum is one of, if not, the WORST comic ever written. It's right up there with the Punisher kills the MU in terms of cheesiness, overwraughtness, unecessary violence, awkward dialogue and plot. It's nothing short of an insult to faithful readers of the Ultimate universe.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Hush storyline comes to mind. It's a 12 issue or so arc, but if you haven't read it, I would check it out.
I'm in the rare minority of those who didn't like Hush very much. It introduced a villain with a a"deep connection to Bruce Wayne's past" in a way that was ham-fisted and a little ridiculous...
It's not a bad story by any means, but it's not something to be especially proud of.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Loeb's run on the Fantastic Four was pretty good imo.
He had a run on FF??? Did not know that. I'll have to check that out sometime....
Also I second the recommendation for Batman: Hush. That's proof that Loeb can be a good writer. It's just that when he's good it's great and when he's bad, it's truly terrible.